[Abortion Thread] (POLL 4) A compromising position...

[American Legionaries]

I would define a person as an organism of the human species.

okay, cool. you do you. that opinion makes no sense, though. practically every philosopher agrees that awareness is a crucial part of being a person. if a human dies, it doesn’t have rights. sure, legally speaking you can’t perform certain actions on it, but that is based only on cultural values and has no relation to the “rights” of the corpse. the corpse itself doesn’t have rights, just like a building doesn’t have the “right” not to be destroyed. you cannot apply rights to something with no capacity for awareness because there is nothing to hold those rights.

What difference is there between a "right" and an action you can't legally perform upon someone based only on cultural values?

[Godular]

Uh... y'all are arguing about technical details of a question posed to somebody who appears to have turned in for the night.

If not for meaningless technicalities, what are we even doing here?

If ya have ta ask, why not focus that brainpower towards answering my question? Your dodge is not sufficient.

You were given the specific example. I want to know: one person or two?

[American Legionaries]

If not for meaningless technicalities, what are we even doing here?

If ya have ta ask, why not focus that brainpower towards answering my question? Your dodge is not sufficient.

You were given the specific example. I want to know: one person or two?

I'm sure I can live with the crushing shame of offering you an answer you find insufficient.

[Islamic Essarn]

Also, pro lifers is the foetus conscious

[Godular]

If ya have ta ask, why not focus that brainpower towards answering my question? Your dodge is not sufficient.

You were given the specific example. I want to know: one person or two?

I'm sure I can live with the crushing shame of offering you an answer you find insufficient.

And thus we return to the crux of the issue. Your presence here is nothing more than meaningless sniping and provocation. Just like the last time.

Thank you for demonstrating to me that I have nothing to lose in ignoregunning you... once again.

I would suggest unto others that they follow suit.

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

okay, cool. you do you. that opinion makes no sense, though. practically every philosopher agrees that awareness is a crucial part of being a person. if a human dies, it doesn’t have rights. sure, legally speaking you can’t perform certain actions on it, but that is based only on cultural values and has no relation to the “rights” of the corpse. the corpse itself doesn’t have rights, just like a building doesn’t have the “right” not to be destroyed. you cannot apply rights to something with no capacity for awareness because there is nothing to hold those rights.

What difference is there between a "right" and an action you can't legally perform upon someone based only on cultural values?

a right is an attribute of a person has where it is morally wrong when another entity violates that right.

an action that is illegal to preform on something is an action that is illegal.

one is a violation of a being’s rights, and the other is a violation of laws. the first one is usually a subset of the other.

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

If ya have ta ask, why not focus that brainpower towards answering my question? Your dodge is not sufficient.

You were given the specific example. I want to know: one person or two?

I'm sure I can live with the crushing shame of offering you an answer you find insufficient.

this has all the energy of “What? I’m not going to answer your question! Cope and seethe.”

[American Legionaries]

I'm sure I can live with the crushing shame of offering you an answer you find insufficient.

And thus we return to the crux of the issue. Your presence here is nothing more than meaningless sniping and provocation. Just like the last time.

Thank you for demonstrating to me that I have nothing to lose in ignoregunning you... once again.

I would suggest unto others that they follow suit.

Ah, thank heavens.

[Islamic Essarn]

If ya have ta ask, why not focus that brainpower towards answering my question? Your dodge is not sufficient.

You were given the specific example. I want to know: one person or two?

I'm sure I can live with the crushing shame of offering you an answer you find insufficient.

Just tell us

[American Legionaries]

I'm sure I can live with the crushing shame of offering you an answer you find insufficient.

Just tell us

"Just answer the unanswerable vague question"

[Space Squid]

If ya have ta ask, why not focus that brainpower towards answering my question? Your dodge is not sufficient.

You were given the specific example. I want to know: one person or two?

I'm sure I can live with the crushing shame of offering you an answer you find insufficient.

I admit it is hard for me to understand how someone can know that they are wrong (as you clearly do) and carry on. But the issue isn't really that you are wrong, or that it is cowardly to not admit that you are wrong.

The issue is that isn't not constructive for a discussion for one person to refuse to participate. If you're not willing to actually discuss, why even come here?

[American Legionaries]

I'm sure I can live with the crushing shame of offering you an answer you find insufficient.

I admit it is hard for me to understand how someone can know that they are wrong (as you clearly do) and carry on. But the issue isn't really that you are wrong, or that it is cowardly to not admit that you are wrong.

The issue is that isn't not constructive for a discussion for one person to refuse to participate. If you're not willing to actually discuss, why even come here?

I did discuss, Godular's just seemingly upset that I provided an answer different than the one he wants.

[Space Squid]

Just tell us

"Just answer the unanswerable vague question"

Are Abigail Loraine Hensel and Brittany Lee Hensel one person or two? Simple question. Not vague at all. And easy to answer.

They're two.

And I have very clear criteria for why they are two, that I can easily explain.

[American Legionaries]

"Just answer the unanswerable vague question"

Are Abigail Loraine Hensel and Brittany Lee Hensel one person or two? Simple question. Not vague at all. And easy to answer.

They're two.

And I have very clear criteria for why they are two, that I can easily explain.

In that specific instance, yes they are two people.

[Space Squid]

I admit it is hard for me to understand how someone can know that they are wrong (as you clearly do) and carry on. But the issue isn't really that you are wrong, or that it is cowardly to not admit that you are wrong.

The issue is that isn't not constructive for a discussion for one person to refuse to participate. If you're not willing to actually discuss, why even come here?

I did discuss, Godular's just seemingly upset that I provided an answer different than the one he wants.

I've read the thread.

And just no. Don't try to pull that on me. It's very obvious that you're being evasive.

[Space Squid]

Are Abigail Loraine Hensel and Brittany Lee Hensel one person or two? Simple question. Not vague at all. And easy to answer.

They're two.

And I have very clear criteria for why they are two, that I can easily explain.

In that specific instance, yes they are two people.

What criteria did you use to determine that? What makes them two people?

[American Legionaries]

I did discuss, Godular's just seemingly upset that I provided an answer different than the one he wants.

I've read the thread.

Perhaps you ought to try again?

And just no. Don't try to pull that on me. It's very obvious that you're being evasive.

Yes, I so cleverly evaded the question by answering it multiple times...

[American Legionaries]

In that specific instance, yes they are two people.

What criteria did you use to determine that? What makes them two people?

They have separate consciousness and thought processes, so despite sharing vital organs I would consider them two distinct people by that criteria alone.

[Space Squid]

I've read the thread.

Perhaps you ought to try again?

And just no. Don't try to pull that on me. It's very obvious that you're being evasive.

Yes, I so cleverly evaded the question by answering it multiple times...

I don't know why people try this "I've already answer the question!" shtick. You know I can read the thread right? You can't gaslight me on this.

[Space Squid]

What criteria did you use to determine that? What makes them two people?

They have separate consciousness and thought processes, so despite sharing vital organs I would consider them two distinct people by that criteria alone.

So consciousness and thought processes are what makes a person. And if you don't have those you are not a person.

[American Legionaries]

Perhaps you ought to try again?



Yes, I so cleverly evaded the question by answering it multiple times...

I don't know why people try this "I've already answer the question!" shtick. You know I can read the thread right? You can't gaslight me on this.

I generally try telling the truth because it's the decent thing to do. Would you like me to quote the posts where I answered Godular's question? Or perhaps the third time's the charm and you can find it yourself?

[American Legionaries]

They have separate consciousness and thought processes, so despite sharing vital organs I would consider them two distinct people by that criteria alone.

So consciousness and thought processes are what makes a person. And if you don't have those you are not a person.

No.

[Space Squid]

I don't know why people try this "I've already answer the question!" shtick. You know I can read the thread right? You can't gaslight me on this.

I generally try telling the truth because it's the decent thing to do. Would you like me to quote the posts where I answered Godular's question? Or perhaps the third time's the charm and you can find it yourself?

Go ahead.

[Space Squid]

So consciousness and thought processes are what makes a person. And if you don't have those you are not a person.

No.

Then that was a completely pointless thing to bring up. And had nothing to do with how you made your determination that they are two people.

[American Legionaries]

No.

Then that was a completely pointless thing to bring up. And had nothing to do with how you made your determination that they are two people.

It was the sole factor that contributed to that determination.