[Abortion Thread] (POLL 4) A compromising position...

[American Legionaries]

Yes.

Then we agree that a foetus is not a parasite, a foetus is part of the pregnant persons body

No.

[Godular]

Actually, it ain't worth noting. It doesn't change the basic idea of what I'm asking. I gave you a link of what I specifically wanted you to consider. I would like an answer.

You've gotten an answer, and you're not getting a different one.

You dodged. That's not an answer.

[Space Squid]

It's perfectly obvious that whether a conjoined twin counts as one person or two depends on how many brains it has.

Anyone who pretends to consider any other definition is being ridiculous.

[Islamic Essarn]

This may sound stupid but If the foetus is a distinct organism then when does the foetus begin and end?

Well it becomes a foetus eight weeks after conception, and ceases to be a foetus when it's born, of that's what you're asking.

No, I’m asking where the foetus physically begins and ends like in the womb

[Islamic Essarn]

Then we agree that a foetus is not a parasite, a foetus is part of the pregnant persons body

No.

Than what is it

[Necroghastia]

anyone else confused as to precisely what telconi is arguing for and why

I'm sorry, whut?

i am wondering why telconi (american legionaries) is rules lawyering the hell out of this uh.... debate. if you'd call it that.

[Islamic Essarn]

Well it becomes a foetus eight weeks after conception, and ceases to be a foetus when it's born, of that's what you're asking.

No, I’m asking where the foetus physically begins and ends like in the womb

Like where the foetus ends and the pregnant person begins

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

No, I’m asking where the foetus physically begins and ends like in the womb

Like where the foetus ends and the pregnant person begins

Is this relevant?

[Islamic Essarn]

Like where the foetus ends and the pregnant person begins

Is this relevant?

It isn’t relevant for those of us who see the foetus as part of the pregnant persons body but it is relevant for people who see the foetus as an independent organism

[Space Squid]

No, I’m asking where the foetus physically begins and ends like in the womb

Like where the foetus ends and the pregnant person begins

The placenta?

[Islamic Essarn]

Like where the foetus ends and the pregnant person begins

The placenta?

So the umbilical cord is part of the foetus?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

The placenta?

So the umbilical cord is part of the foetus?

it's neither, it's a de-militarised zone
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[Space Squid]

The placenta?

So the umbilical cord is part of the foetus?

Yes. Both physiologically and genetically.

The placenta is a combination of tissues from both fetus and mother.

[Islamic Essarn]

So the umbilical cord is part of the foetus?

Yes. Both physiologically and genetically.

The placenta is a combination of tissues from both fetus and mother.

But the person carrying the pregnancy built the, and continues to build, both the placenta and the foetus using there energy and commanded by there hormones

[Islamic Essarn]

So the umbilical cord is part of the foetus?

Yes. Both physiologically and genetically.

The placenta is a combination of tissues from both fetus and mother.

We find are selves with the same question as earlier : is a chimera 1 or 2 people

[Space Squid]

Yes. Both physiologically and genetically.

The placenta is a combination of tissues from both fetus and mother.

But the person carrying the pregnancy built the, and continues to build, both the placenta and the foetus using there energy and commanded by there hormones

Okay?

[Islamic Essarn]

But the person carrying the pregnancy built the, and continues to build, both the placenta and the foetus using there energy and commanded by there hormones

Okay?

Imagine the foetus like muscles on the arm of someone taking muscle building drugs (like testosterone). The muscles are not growing or developing by them selves their for they are part of the person taking the drugs

[Godular]

Uh... y'all are arguing about technical details of a question posed to somebody who appears to have turned in for the night.

[New haven america]

Yes.

Then we agree that a foetus is not a parasite, a foetus is part of the pregnant persons body

The body does actually treat fetuses like parasites, and can easily spend 9 months attacking it.

This is especially common for fetuses that have a different blood type than the mother, and it the most likely situation to cause miscarriage. (Dr.'s usually have to prescribe immune system suppressants in these cases)

[Islamic Essarn]

Then we agree that a foetus is not a parasite, a foetus is part of the pregnant persons body

The body does actually treat fetuses like parasites, and can easily spend 9 months attacking it.

This is especially common for fetuses that have a different blood type than the mother, and it the most likely situation to cause miscarriage. (Dr.'s usually have to prescribe immune system suppressants in these cases)

That can happen But only very rarely and this is caused y an autoimmune disorder which means that the body is attacking itself therefore the foetus is part of the mothers body and not a parasites

[New haven america]

The body does actually treat fetuses like parasites, and can easily spend 9 months attacking it.

This is especially common for fetuses that have a different blood type than the mother, and it the most likely situation to cause miscarriage. (Dr.'s usually have to prescribe immune system suppressants in these cases)

That’s not true,

Riveting rebuttal, nay, post of the decade right here.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

The body does actually treat fetuses like parasites, and can easily spend 9 months attacking it.

This is especially common for fetuses that have a different blood type than the mother, and it the most likely situation to cause miscarriage. (Dr.'s usually have to prescribe immune system suppressants in these cases)

That’s not true,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemolytic ... he_newborn

[American Legionaries]

Uh... y'all are arguing about technical details of a question posed to somebody who appears to have turned in for the night.

If not for meaningless technicalities, what are we even doing here?

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

How do you define personhood? Given that a fetus doesn't have neural activity capable of supporting itself until about the 20 week mark I find it hard to call it a person before that point.

I would define a person as an organism of the human species.

okay, cool. you do you. that opinion makes no sense, though. practically every philosopher agrees that awareness is a crucial part of being a person. if a human dies, it doesn’t have rights. sure, legally speaking you can’t perform certain actions on it, but that is based only on cultural values and has no relation to the “rights” of the corpse. the corpse itself doesn’t have rights, just like a building doesn’t have the “right” not to be destroyed. you cannot apply rights to something with no capacity for awareness because there is nothing to hold those rights.

[Islamic Essarn]

That’s not true,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemolytic ... he_newborn

It can happen but this is because of an auto immune disorder and is certainly not the main caused of miscarriages