[Abortion Thread] (POLL 4) A compromising position...

[Mettaton-EX]

Bunch of cells that aren't even alive until like 5-6-7th month of pregnancy and who can't survive on its own are not people. They are just bunch of cells.

We clearly hold different opinions on what constitutes personhood.

is a pair of identical twins a single person?

[American Legionaries]

We clearly hold different opinions on what constitutes personhood.

is a pair of identical twins a single person?

I don't recall saying that, got a quote?

[Godular]

is a pair of identical twins a single person?

I don't recall saying that, got a quote?

They didn't say you did. They're simply asking you a question.

[American Legionaries]

I don't recall saying that, got a quote?

They didn't say you did. They're simply asking you a question.

Well it seems like a strange question, but no.

[Godular]

They didn't say you did. They're simply asking you a question.

Well it seems like a strange question, but no.

Hokay, how 'bout conjoined twins?

[American Legionaries]

Well it seems like a strange question, but no.

Hokay, how 'bout conjoined twins?

There's a fair bit of variation there, I mean, a chimera is technically conjoined twins, but I certainly wouldn't consider them two people.

[Free Algerstonia]

i believe abortion should only be legal when the pregnancy has been ongoing for 7 minutes, hours, days, weeks, or months

[Godular]

Hokay, how 'bout conjoined twins?

There's a fair bit of variation there, I mean, a chimera is technically conjoined twins, but I certainly wouldn't consider them two people.

No, a Chimera is not 'conjoined twins', that is two genetically distinct sets of DNA in one body. I'm speaking specifically of conjoined twins.

[American Legionaries]

There's a fair bit of variation there, I mean, a chimera is technically conjoined twins, but I certainly wouldn't consider them two people.

No, a Chimera is not 'conjoined twins', that is two genetically distinct sets of DNA in one body. I'm speaking specifically of conjoined twins.

What's conjoined twins?

[Godular]

No, a Chimera is not 'conjoined twins', that is two genetically distinct sets of DNA in one body. I'm speaking specifically of conjoined twins.

What's conjoined twins?

You might call them Siamese twins. Some of them can be separated, others might be conjoined in such a way that separation is impossible.Let us consider an example where there are two functioning brains.

[Necroghastia]

anyone else confused as to precisely what telconi is arguing for and why

[American Legionaries]

What's conjoined twins?

You might call them Siamese twins. Some of them can be separated, others might be conjoined in such a way that separation is impossible.Let us consider an example where there are two functioning brains.

To what degree of conjoining are they still considered conjoined twins?

[Godular]

anyone else confused as to precisely what telconi is arguing for and why

I'm sorry, whut?

[Islamic Essarn]

How do you define personhood? Given that a fetus doesn't have neural activity capable of supporting itself until about the 20 week mark I find it hard to call it a person before that point.

I would define a person as an organism of the human species.

A foetus is part of the pregnant persons body and there for not an independent human organism

[American Legionaries]

I would define a person as an organism of the human species.

A foetus is part of the pregnant persons body and there for not an independent human organism

It's not.

[Godular]

You might call them Siamese twins. Some of them can be separated, others might be conjoined in such a way that separation is impossible.Let us consider an example where there are two functioning brains.

To what degree of conjoining are they still considered conjoined twins?

Generally, it's the mechanism that produced it. In the case of Conjoined twins, the fertilized egg underwent some form of partial cleavage that caused it to develop two sets of organs that come together as one at some point.

[Godular]

A foetus is part of the pregnant persons body and there for not an independent human organism

It's not.

Hell with it, let's take a look at what you brought up.

Chimeras: One or two peoples?

[American Legionaries]

To what degree of conjoining are they still considered conjoined twins?

Generally, it's the mechanism that produced it. In the case of Conjoined twins, the fertilized egg underwent some form of partial cleavage that caused it to develop two sets of organs that come together as one at some point.

Which kinda just leads us back to "it depends" technically I was a conjoined twin because I had a partial organ in excess, but literally like 20 grams of extraneous growth when removed years later.

It's worth noting that conjoined twins can also be fraternal, where two eggs are fertilized by two sperm, implant together and fuse during growth.

[Islamic Essarn]

Very weak answer considering that in the basic 5th grade biology you are an organism if you can live individually separated from dependencies of your host's nutrients, which is why virus is not a real organism but a weird abomination between alive and dead and why fetus cannot be considered a full organism because it still depends on the person's nutrients in order to grow to be an alive being at the very late stage of pregnancy so it can survive outside the person's body. Of course this is very big oversimplification that eaves a lot of details. Also in order for something to be considered organism it needs to check 5 characteristics of life, which a group of cells called fetus cannot check because its not an organism by the scientific field

Today I learned parasitic organisms aren't actually real.

Parasite aren’t grown by the host, parasites do not grown and change depending on hormones created by the host. A foetus does all those thing.

[American Legionaries]

Today I learned parasitic organisms aren't actually real.

Parasite aren’t grown by the host, parasites do not grown and change depending on hormones created by the host. A foetus does all those thing.

Yes.

[Godular]

Generally, it's the mechanism that produced it. In the case of Conjoined twins, the fertilized egg underwent some form of partial cleavage that caused it to develop two sets of organs that come together as one at some point.

Which kinda just leads us back to "it depends" technically I was a conjoined twin because I had a partial organ in excess, but literally like 20 grams of extraneous growth when removed years later.

It's worth noting that conjoined twins can also be fraternal, where two eggs are fertilized by two sperm, implant together and fuse during growth.

Actually, it ain't worth noting. It doesn't change the basic idea of what I'm asking. I gave you a link of what I specifically wanted you to consider. I would like an answer.

[Islamic Essarn]

A foetus is part of the pregnant persons body and there for not an independent human organism

It's not.

This may sound stupid but If the foetus is a distinct organism then when does the foetus begin and end?

[American Legionaries]

Which kinda just leads us back to "it depends" technically I was a conjoined twin because I had a partial organ in excess, but literally like 20 grams of extraneous growth when removed years later.

It's worth noting that conjoined twins can also be fraternal, where two eggs are fertilized by two sperm, implant together and fuse during growth.

Actually, it ain't worth noting. It doesn't change the basic idea of what I'm asking. I gave you a link of what I specifically wanted you to consider. I would like an answer.

You've gotten an answer, and you're not getting a different one.

[Islamic Essarn]

Parasite aren’t grown by the host, parasites do not grown and change depending on hormones created by the host. A foetus does all those thing.

Yes.

Then we agree that a foetus is not a parasite, a foetus is part of the pregnant persons body

[American Legionaries]

It's not.

This may sound stupid but If the foetus is a distinct organism then when does the foetus begin and end?

Well it becomes a foetus eight weeks after conception, and ceases to be a foetus when it's born, of that's what you're asking.