[Abortion Thread] (POLL 4) A compromising position...

[Islamic Essarn]

I have a question for all the pro lifers around here : how do you know that the fetus or the embryo or the zygote is alive.

Well we can observe signs of life, they are made up of living cells which replicate and metabolize nutrients.

So people shouldn’t be able to get there arms amputation if they have to? Arms are made of living cells.

[Islamic Essarn]

Abortion is a fundamental human right.
Fetus, by pure scientific observation is a parasite.

Pro choice and foetus is not parasite because of the fact that a foetus is part of the pregnant persons body, it’s like an arm or a leg.

[Islamic Essarn]

Also can all the pro lifers please describe female anatomy for, just to see if you actually know what your talking about

[Equai]

Abortion is a fundamental human right.
Fetus, by pure scientific observation is a parasite.

That is actually not true!
There is a difference between a fetus and a parasite.
A fetus increases your reproductive fitness.

What type of mental gymnastic is that-
Also it is very much similar. Both creatures sucks the nutrients from the host body and make them sick (Pregnancy/morning sickness). Also lets not forget that both can cause death if healthcare system is not good of the person is not in healthy.
There is no and never will be valid answer to support abortion and limiting rights of women.
Not your body, not your choice.

[American Legionaries]

Well we can observe signs of life, they are made up of living cells which replicate and metabolize nutrients.

So people shouldn’t be able to get there arms amputation if they have to? Arms are made of living cells.

Lots of things are made of living cells.

[Adamede]

Abortion is a fundamental human right.
Fetus, by pure scientific observation is a parasite.

No. I'm pro-choice but thats not an excuse to make shit up.

[Islamic Essarn]

So people shouldn’t be able to get there arms amputation if they have to? Arms are made of living cells.

Lots of things are made of living cells.

Exactly, the foetus is part of a pregnant persons body there for it is’t alive.

[Grinning Dragon]

That is actually not true!
There is a difference between a fetus and a parasite.
A fetus increases your reproductive fitness.

What type of mental gymnastic is that-
Also it is very much similar. Both creatures sucks the nutrients from the host body and make them sick (Pregnancy/morning sickness). Also lets not forget that both can cause death if healthcare system is not good of the person is not in healthy.
There is no and never will be valid answer to support abortion and limiting rights of women.
Not your body, not your choice.

Just to point out morning sickness is caused by a side effect of human chorionic gonadotropin and usually lasts from around week 6 through week 12 and peaks for most women between week 8 and week 10 and is usually done by the beginning of the 2nd trimester

[American Legionaries]

Lots of things are made of living cells.

Exactly, the foetus is part of a pregnant persons body there for it is’t alive.

It is alive though, we can observe the requisite traits of life.

[Necroghastia]

Exactly, the foetus is part of a pregnant persons body there for it is’t alive.

It is alive though, we can observe the requisite traits of life.

Inasmuch as, say, a liver.

[American Legionaries]

It is alive though, we can observe the requisite traits of life.

Inasmuch as, say, a liver.

Yes, livers are also living.

[Equai]

Exactly, the foetus is part of a pregnant persons body there for it is’t alive.

It is alive though, we can observe the requisite traits of life.

So we can with plants, tumor, bacterias, parasites so what? That doesn't matter. In any case, you are alive once you get physically outside person's body aka get born not while you are inside. So why not go and be pro-tumor, pro-grass, pro-bacteria?
Again said, unless you get pregnant you have no right to say should someone get abortion or not. Just how I can't say what offends black person because i am white like a sheet of paper.

[Islamic Essarn]

While the cells are living, that does not necessarily make it a living human being. It does not respond to stimuli until very far into the pregnancy.

They do, specifically chemical makeup of the surrounding environment.

well, my ovaries respond to chemical stimulation. Are they alive?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

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[Islamic Essarn]

Exactly, the foetus is part of a pregnant persons body there for it is’t alive.

It is alive though, we can observe the requisite traits of life.

No, the foetus actually doe classify as alive intll viability. In till then it is like an arm or leg : part of the pregnant persons body

[Necroghastia]

They do, specifically chemical makeup of the surrounding environment.

well, my ovaries respond to chemical stimulation. Are they alive?

They are, but Telconi is just being an annoying rules lawyer.

[American Legionaries]

It is alive though, we can observe the requisite traits of life.

So we can with plants, tumor, bacterias, parasites so what?

Yes, because all of these things are alive.

That doesn't matter.

No. It doesn't.

In any case, you are alive once you get physically outside person's body aka get born not while you are inside.

Verifiably untrue.

So why not go and be pro-tumor, pro-grass, pro-bacteria?

Because those things aren't people.

Again said, unless you get pregnant you have no right to say should someone get abortion or not. Just how I can't say what offends black person because i am white like a sheet of paper.

No, I very much can. I have a ballot right here on my desk.

[Equai]

Because those things aren't people.

Bunch of cells that aren't even alive until like 5-6-7th month of pregnancy and who can't survive on its own are not people. They are just bunch of cells.

[Islamic Essarn]

So we can with plants, tumor, bacterias, parasites so what?

Yes, because all of these things are alive.

That doesn't matter.

No. It doesn't.

In any case, you are alive once you get physically outside person's body aka get born not while you are inside.

Verifiably untrue.

So why not go and be pro-tumor, pro-grass, pro-bacteria?

Because those things aren't people.

Again said, unless you get pregnant you have no right to say should someone get abortion or not. Just how I can't say what offends black person because i am white like a sheet of paper.

No, I very much can. I have a ballot right here on my desk.

Well, even if we say that the foetus is alive, which it isn’t, what makes it a person.

[Godular]

While the cells are living, that does not necessarily make it a living human being. It does not respond to stimuli until very far into the pregnancy.

They do, specifically chemical makeup of the surrounding environment.

Not really, no. What you are describing is that the chemicals in the environment have an effect on the cells, but that is fundamentally different from a response to a stimulus.

Drinking and doing certain drugs can have detrimental affects on the growth of the fetus. The fetus is not responding to anything, it is being affected by harmful chemicals. That is what you are describing.

When you poke the side of an infant's mouth, it moves its head and tries to suckle. When the infant is hungry or in what it perceives as distress, it cries. THAT is response to stimulus. It is not until after the point of viability (around 24-ish weeks) that the fetus is even capable of doing anything of the sort.

[American Legionaries]

Because those things aren't people.

Bunch of cells that aren't even alive until like 5-6-7th month of pregnancy and who can't survive on its own are not people. They are just bunch of cells.

We clearly hold different opinions on what constitutes personhood.

[Spirit of Hope]

Bunch of cells that aren't even alive until like 5-6-7th month of pregnancy and who can't survive on its own are not people. They are just bunch of cells.

We clearly hold different opinions on what constitutes personhood.

How do you define personhood? Given that a fetus doesn't have neural activity capable of supporting itself until about the 20 week mark I find it hard to call it a person before that point.

[Islamic Essarn]

Bunch of cells that aren't even alive until like 5-6-7th month of pregnancy and who can't survive on its own are not people. They are just bunch of cells.

We clearly hold different opinions on what constitutes personhood.

What do you consider person hood

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Are we gonna hold solemn funerals for dead skin cells in the future?

[American Legionaries]

We clearly hold different opinions on what constitutes personhood.

How do you define personhood? Given that a fetus doesn't have neural activity capable of supporting itself until about the 20 week mark I find it hard to call it a person before that point.

I would define a person as an organism of the human species.