[Abortion Thread] (POLL 4) A compromising position...

[Ifreann]

Are you a licensed gynaecological surgeon? If not then keep your uninformed opinions to where they belong.

You trigger me into a tangent - why are so many lawmakers who decide policy on abortion so uttely uninformed ?

I mean, we have had lawmakers claim that "women who get raped cannot get pregnant - the body prevents it", that "ectopic pregnancies can be replaced" etc. etc. etc.

Surely both pro-choice and pro-life must be horrified that the people making life and death decisions have no effing clue what they are talking about ?

You trigger me into a tangent - why are so many lawmakers who decide policy on abortion so uttely uninformed ?

I mean, we have had lawmakers claim that "women who get raped cannot get pregnant - the body prevents it", that "ectopic pregnancies can be replaced" etc. etc. etc.

Surely both pro-choice and pro-life must be horrified that the people making life and death decisions have no effing clue what they are talking about ?

Based on how long the War on Drugs has been going on and how the US government killed literally millions of people by legislating something they knew jack shit about, I don't have high hopes for human rights in a post-Roe America.

Generally speaking, lawmakers do know what they're legislating about. They just don't care. They choose not to let things like rape or ectopic pregnancies enter into their reasoning. It's malice, not stupidity, or at least not just stupidity.

[Elwher]

Are you a licensed gynaecological surgeon? If not then keep your uninformed opinions to where they belong.

You trigger me into a tangent - why are so many lawmakers who decide policy on abortion so uttely uninformed ?

I mean, we have had lawmakers claim that "women who get raped cannot get pregnant - the body prevents it", that "ectopic pregnancies can be replaced" etc. etc. etc.

Surely both pro-choice and pro-life must be horrified that the people making life and death decisions have no effing clue what they are talking about ?

Because so many of the voters are equally uninformed. Science is complicated, and a large proportion of the voters want simplicity as that is all they understand.

https://youtu.be/KHJbSvidohg

[San Lumen]

https://thehill.com/news/3489087-nebras ... verturned/

Nebraska GOP governor would call special session to ‘do more to protect preborn babies’ if Roe v. Wade overturned

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

https://thehill.com/news/3489087-nebraska-gop-governor-would-call-special-session-to-do-more-to-protect-preborn-babies-if-roe-v-wade-overturned/

Nebraska GOP governor would call special session to ‘do more to protect preborn babies’ if Roe v. Wade overturned

might as well go with "Am I Not a Human and a Sister" for slogan these days.

[Katganistan]

They sure as hell are going to get their second Civil War if they keep this up, because women will not stand for being treated like chattel today.

[Indiana Controlled Florida]

Why is almost every single discussion thread I have seen, most of the people are left-leaning

[Saiwania]

Literally no one mentions artificial wombs

Flat out doesn't work or exist yet. But if it could actually materialize and get off the ground running, what do we even still need women for? Besides from perhaps aesthetic reasons?

It takes away a huge portion of their biological leverage and power when you think about it. It'd be one less thing that could be held over men.

It'd be like getting fired from work in general, just because a machine can do everything you did faster and better but without complaining or tiring and so on.

[Prima Scriptura]

They sure as hell are going to get their second Civil War if they keep this up, because women will not stand for being treated like chattel today.

Women are not going to be treated like chattel if Roe is overturn… and there isn’t going to be a civil war over it.

[The Orwell Society]

Why is almost every single discussion thread I have seen, most of the people are left-leaning

I know, right? You hardly ever see centrists

[Celritannia]

They sure as hell are going to get their second Civil War if they keep this up, because women will not stand for being treated like chattel today.

Women are not going to be treated like chattel if Roe is overturn… and there isn’t going to be a civil war over it.

Perhaps not, but there will be backlashes.
A woman's right to choose is being threatened, along with their life.

[Kahekordne Union of Spib]

While I don't really care about the situation, the abortion could have some use. While morally questionable, the embryo is made of highly malleable stem cells, which could end up treating someone else who has a terminal or lifelong illness. However, I see both sides of the argument I can't certainly solve it

[Prima Scriptura]

Women are not going to be treated like chattel if Roe is overturn… and there isn’t going to be a civil war over it.

Perhaps not, but there will be backlashes.
A woman's right to choose is being threatened, along with their life.

What abortion activists failed to do is get abortion codified in law. They put all their hope in a Supreme Court decision that could’ve been overturned by the same court at any time.

[Celritannia]

Perhaps not, but there will be backlashes.
A woman's right to choose is being threatened, along with their life.

What abortion activists failed to do is get abortion codified in law. They put all their hope in a Supreme Court decision that could’ve been overturned by the same court at any time.

Abortion activists are not members of Congress though, so they can't do that.
Now, whether any Congress would have done that, eh, I highly doubt it. Perhaps the 111th Congress? But again, I'm not sure.

[Indiana Controlled Florida]

Why is almost every single discussion thread I have seen, most of the people are left-leaning

I know, right? You hardly ever see centrists

Yeah, like, are they just deciding not to be involved in political debates?

[Nevertopia]

Its weird how anti-abortionist see pregnancy as a punishment. They think a fetus should be carried to term because a woman was foolish enough to get pregnant in the first place and they shouldnt be given a "get out of jail free card" to abort an unwanted pregnancy.

What a twisted mentality, of course they should be allowed to get an abortion, thats exactly what they're for. Getting out of carrying a fetus to term when YOU ARENT READY. But I suppose the anti-abortionist wants women to suffer in being unable to care for what could be a child. Which explains their stance on children who do get born by way of not giving a **** about living children.

Women and girls should have abortion as an unalienable human right. Imagine a law saying a man wasn't allowed to ejaculate unless for procreation. Thats the same kind of nonsensical law anti-abortion is. Anti-abortion laws are a misogyny law and they are a religion law, meant to push puritanical and religious views on to women.

[Prima Scriptura]

Its weird how anti-abortionist see pregnancy as a punishment. They think a fetus should be carried to term because a woman was foolish enough to get pregnant in the first place and they shouldnt be given a "get out of jail free card" to abort an unwanted pregnancy.

What a twisted mentality, of course they should be allowed to get an abortion, thats exactly what they're for. Getting out of carrying a fetus to term when YOU ARENT READY. But I suppose the anti-abortionist wants women to suffer in being unable to care for what could be a child. Which explains their stance on children who do get born by way of not giving a **** about living children.

Women and girls should have abortion as an unalienable human right. Imagine a law saying a man wasn't allowed to ejaculate unless for procreation. Thats the same kind of nonsensical law anti-abortion is. Anti-abortion laws are a misogyny law and they are a religion law, meant to push puritanical and religious views on to women.

Hi, i’m a paternalistic conservative that believes in a womb to tomb welfare state.

[Saiwania]

Women and girls should have abortion as an unalienable human right. Imagine a law saying a man wasn't allowed to ejaculate unless for procreation. Thats the same kind of nonsensical law anti-abortion is. Anti-abortion laws are a misogyny law and they are a religion law, meant to push puritanical and religious views on to women.

No, it's not quite the same. Through the entire process, a man doesn't have any developing lifeform where as the woman does. Even under Roe v Wade, most people don't want unlimited abortion for the entire 9 months. It initially set up a trimester standard where in first trimester, states can't ban or interfere with abortion. Second trimester, states could have health standards or regulation but couldn't ban it entirely. Whilst with third trimester, states could ban abortion if they so choose.

It's objective fact that late enough into a pregnancy, a child has sufficiently developed as to physically exist in the womb and plenty of people have a problem with going about killing it in that case.

[Celritannia]

Women and girls should have abortion as an unalienable human right. Imagine a law saying a man wasn't allowed to ejaculate unless for procreation. Thats the same kind of nonsensical law anti-abortion is. Anti-abortion laws are a misogyny law and they are a religion law, meant to push puritanical and religious views on to women.

No, it's not quite the same. Through the entire process, a man doesn't have any developing lifeform where as the woman does. Even under Roe v Wade, most people don't want unlimited abortion for the entire 9 months. It initially set up a trimester standard where in first trimester, states can't ban or interfere with abortion. Second trimester, states could have health standards or regulation but couldn't ban it entirely. Whilst with third trimester, states could ban abortion if they so choose.

It's objective fact that late enough into a pregnancy, a child has sufficiently developed as to physically exist in the womb and plenty of people have a problem with going about killing it in that case.

91% of all abortions always happen within the first 13 weeks. A further 8% (or a total of 99%) happens up to 20 weeks. Only 1% of abortions occur in the most serious of medical circumstances after this. Medical professionals will advise against having an abortion so late in pregnancy anyway.

So your response is pointless.

[Celritannia]

Its weird how anti-abortionist see pregnancy as a punishment. They think a fetus should be carried to term because a woman was foolish enough to get pregnant in the first place and they shouldnt be given a "get out of jail free card" to abort an unwanted pregnancy.

What a twisted mentality, of course they should be allowed to get an abortion, thats exactly what they're for. Getting out of carrying a fetus to term when YOU ARENT READY. But I suppose the anti-abortionist wants women to suffer in being unable to care for what could be a child. Which explains their stance on children who do get born by way of not giving a **** about living children.

Women and girls should have abortion as an unalienable human right. Imagine a law saying a man wasn't allowed to ejaculate unless for procreation. Thats the same kind of nonsensical law anti-abortion is. Anti-abortion laws are a misogyny law and they are a religion law, meant to push puritanical and religious views on to women.

Hi, i’m a paternalistic conservative that believes in a womb to tomb welfare state.

And even then, abortions should still be available.

[Saiwania]

95% of all abortions always happen within the first 13 weeks. Only rarely and in the most serious of medical circumstances do they occur after that. Medical professionals will advise against having an abortion so late in pregnancy anyway.

Where is your 95% figure from? If there were no opposition to abortion from society whatsoever, it is obvious to me that plenty of women would go for abortions past 13 weeks. The only thing that compels them to get an abortion sooner, is the fact that pregnancy inherently has plenty of side effects deemed undesirable or unpleasant. Most people won't act until they have to or if they're directly effected by something.

What abortion is about at it's root, is whether there should be any hard break or limit to women's behavior or actions whatsoever, with regards to a big consequence they otherwise would or could have.

[Celritannia]

95% of all abortions always happen within the first 13 weeks. Only rarely and in the most serious of medical circumstances do they occur after that. Medical professionals will advise against having an abortion so late in pregnancy anyway.

Where is your 95% figure from? If there were no opposition to abortion from society whatsoever, it is obvious to me that plenty of women would go for abortions past 13 weeks. The only thing that compels them to get an abortion sooner, is the fact that pregnancy inherently has plenty of side effects deemed undesirable or unpleasant. Most people won't act until they have to or if they're directly effected by something.

What abortion is about at it's root is whether there should be any hard break of limit to women's behavior or actions whatsoever with regards to a big consequence they could have.

I linked this to you before. But here it is. Although I did correct myself to say 91%.

Also, your opinion on women is truly disgusting.

[Saiwania]

I'm just going to call it like it is. Sex with the opposite sex is consent to a pregnancy possibly happening, if neither of you are sterile and if neither took any precautions beforehand like contraceptives. And it wasn't a rape. Like how people who drive a car, consent to taking on the risk that they'll be in a car crash.

What else did you really expect would happen? You can't reasonably complain if you still did it at the end of the day.

[Celritannia]

I'm just going to call it like it is. Sex with the opposite sex is consent to a pregnancy possibly happening, if neither of you are sterile and if neither took any precautions beforehand like contraceptives. And it wasn't a rape. Like how people who drive a car, consent to taking on the risk that they'll be in a car crash.

What else did you really expect would happen? You can't reasonably complain if you still did it at the end of the day.

No, just, no.

Please stop this nonsense.

Contraceptives fail, people's financial circumstances change, and a woman's partner may have been abusive, so don't chat BS when you don't know the circumstances.

[Nevertopia]

Show of hands, who here is a woman and is anti abortion? Who here is a woman and is pro abortion? Oddly enough America is 80% pro abortion even those who say theyre anti-abortion also get them like in the deep south of the Americas so how is someone anti-abortion but also support it for themselves only? Abortion is a fundamental woman's right to bodily autonomy. It should be the woman or girl's choice if she wants to carry the fetus to term and should be given every opportunity to abort as is morally correct despite what fanatical religious/misogynist doctrine would have you believe.

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I'm just going to call it like it is. Sex with the opposite sex is consent to a pregnancy possibly happening, if neither of you are sterile and if neither took any precautions beforehand like contraceptives. And it wasn't a rape. Like how people who drive a car, consent to taking on the risk that they'll be in a car crash.

What else did you really expect would happen? You can't reasonably complain if you still did it at the end of the day.

You drive a car and get into a crash, you go to a hospital and they set your broken bones and stitch up your lacerations.

You have sex and end up with an unwanted pregnancy, you go get an abortion.

It's the same fucking thing. It's a medical intervention to correct something undesirable that has happened to your body.