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What would you consider to be the best 'compromise'?

Reduce abortions with welfare supports / other non-invasive measures, leave access untouched.
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33%
Set conditions under which abortions can be accessed.
83
21%
Allow free access, under a given time limit.
38
9%
Allow free access, but give men an option to excuse themselves from child support.
40
10%
HELL WITH COMPROMISE, IT'S MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY!
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21%
Look out! They're here! Pink Elephants on Parade! Here they come, hippity hoppity!
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Total votes : 401

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Postby Fidimouni » Wed Jun 01, 2022 4:21 pm

Bonggongland wrote:
Fidimouni wrote:Who said someone couldn't get pregnant during pregnancy my man?


Read the thread my man

Did you not JUST go into semantics about a burden of proof? Why don't you show me some proof then?
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Jun 01, 2022 4:22 pm

Bonggongland wrote:
Equai wrote:In most if not all events (only counting consentual sexual activities here) it's not the woman's fault that she became unwantdly pregnant but man's for not wanting to wear protection when having sex.


Birth control is a thing you misandrist troll.

Bonggongland wrote:
Equai wrote:What gives you right to say what women can or cannot do when you clearly aren't a woman?


Nice circular argument, good to see you have no valid arguments here. Typical woman.

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Postby Jewish Underground State » Wed Jun 01, 2022 4:23 pm

Fidimouni wrote:
Bonggongland wrote:
Read the thread my man

Did you not JUST go into semantics about a burden of proof? Why don't you show me some proof then?

You haven't sited sources,

We don't need them in APA style just site them please :geek:
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Postby Bonggongland » Wed Jun 01, 2022 4:27 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Bonggongland wrote:
Birth control is a thing you misandrist troll.

Bonggongland wrote:
Nice circular argument, good to see you have no valid arguments here. Typical woman.

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Postby Equai » Wed Jun 01, 2022 4:27 pm

Bonggongland wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:
*** Warned for flaming ***

*** Warned for misandry ***

You do understand what you just did is a literal violation of the rules?
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Postby Jewish Underground State » Wed Jun 01, 2022 4:29 pm

My god this is the most brain dead thread i've seen.

It's like some buddy said hey let's go throw gasoline on a fire.
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Postby Bonggongland » Wed Jun 01, 2022 4:29 pm

Equai wrote:
Bonggongland wrote:*** Warned for misandry ***

You do understand what you just did is a literal violation of the rules?


You've been trolling and flaming but didn't get warned soooo...
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Postby Fidimouni » Wed Jun 01, 2022 4:29 pm

Jewish Underground State wrote:My god this is the most brain dead thread i've seen.

It's like some buddy said hey let's go throw gasoline on a fire.

>"We should ban abortion."
>"No, we shouldn't. Here's why."
>"haha watch this" [flaming]
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Postby Jewish Underground State » Wed Jun 01, 2022 4:30 pm

Fidimouni wrote:
Jewish Underground State wrote:My god this is the most brain dead thread i've seen.

It's like some buddy said hey let's go throw gasoline on a fire.

>"We should ban abortion."
>"No, we shouldn't. Here's why."
>"haha watch this} [flaming]

Oh shut up. Your as bad as the rest of us.
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Postby Fidimouni » Wed Jun 01, 2022 4:31 pm

Jewish Underground State wrote:
Fidimouni wrote:>"We should ban abortion."
>"No, we shouldn't. Here's why."
>"haha watch this} [flaming]

Oh shut up. Your as bad as the rest of us.

Please, I beg of you, point out where I said something nearly as bad or uncited as anyone in this conversation. I will happily elaborate, but I need to know where.
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Call me Fiddle if you want. It's a cool name I think.

"Anyway, like I was sayin', shrimp is the fruit of the sea. You can barbecue it, boil it, broil it, bake it, saute it. There's uh, shrimp-kabobs, shrimp creole, shrimp gumbo. Pan fried, deep fried, stir-fried. There's pineapple shrimp, lemon shrimp, coconut shrimp, pepper shrimp, shrimp soup, shrimp stew, shrimp salad, shrimp and potatoes, shrimp burger, shrimp sandwich. That..that's about it."

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Postby Bonggongland » Wed Jun 01, 2022 4:32 pm

Fidimouni wrote:
Jewish Underground State wrote:My god this is the most brain dead thread i've seen.

It's like some buddy said hey let's go throw gasoline on a fire.

>"We should ban abortion."
>"No, we shouldn't. Here's why."
>"haha watch this" [flaming]


Says the one who literally refused to site their sources. You're a giant faggot and I hope your parents die

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Postby Equai » Wed Jun 01, 2022 4:33 pm

Bonggongland wrote:
Equai wrote:You do understand what you just did is a literal violation of the rules?


You've been trolling and flaming but didn't get warned soooo...

Where I trolled and flamed? For comebacking your mysoginistic lines and saying that men have responsibility too? For calling you entitled even tho it is not an insult but a state of mind? If I wanted to flame I would've called you something else and I wouldn't used a civilized language. You turned to use ad hominem on me when you run out of arguments, not the other way around. If I wanted to troll, again, I wouldn't used a civilized language with you.
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Postby Jewish Underground State » Wed Jun 01, 2022 4:34 pm

Fidimouni wrote:
Jewish Underground State wrote:Oh shut up. Your as bad as the rest of us.

Please, I beg of you, point out where I said something nearly as bad or uncited as anyone in this conversation. I will happily elaborate, but I need to know where.



If the studies showing that are easy to find it won’t be hard for you to post them.

Talked about siting sources but didn't site any.

Ah, casual misogyny too. How utterly predictable.

Ha ha my side other side be bad 8) . (Just like the rest of us.)

>not for moral reasons

>resorts to moralising when challenged

Same as above.
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Postby Fidimouni » Wed Jun 01, 2022 4:34 pm

Jewish Underground State wrote:
Fidimouni wrote:Please, I beg of you, point out where I said something nearly as bad or uncited as anyone in this conversation. I will happily elaborate, but I need to know where.



If the studies showing that are easy to find it won’t be hard for you to post them.

Talked about siting sources but didn't site any.

Ah, casual misogyny too. How utterly predictable.

Ha ha my side other side be bad 8) . (Just like the rest of us.)

>not for moral reasons

>resorts to moralising when challenged

Same as above.

None of those were posted by me.
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Call me Fiddle if you want. It's a cool name I think.

"Anyway, like I was sayin', shrimp is the fruit of the sea. You can barbecue it, boil it, broil it, bake it, saute it. There's uh, shrimp-kabobs, shrimp creole, shrimp gumbo. Pan fried, deep fried, stir-fried. There's pineapple shrimp, lemon shrimp, coconut shrimp, pepper shrimp, shrimp soup, shrimp stew, shrimp salad, shrimp and potatoes, shrimp burger, shrimp sandwich. That..that's about it."

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Postby Space Squid » Wed Jun 01, 2022 4:35 pm

Just stop engaging. There's no point and moderation will be coming down shortly.
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Postby Jewish Underground State » Wed Jun 01, 2022 4:37 pm

Fidimouni wrote:
Jewish Underground State wrote:


Talked about siting sources but didn't site any.


Ha ha my side other side be bad 8) . (Just like the rest of us.)


Same as above.

None of those were posted by me.

:rofl:
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Postby Fidimouni » Wed Jun 01, 2022 4:38 pm

Jewish Underground State wrote:
Fidimouni wrote:
None of those were posted by me.

:rofl:

No seriously. All of that was by another person. Genuinely.
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"Anyway, like I was sayin', shrimp is the fruit of the sea. You can barbecue it, boil it, broil it, bake it, saute it. There's uh, shrimp-kabobs, shrimp creole, shrimp gumbo. Pan fried, deep fried, stir-fried. There's pineapple shrimp, lemon shrimp, coconut shrimp, pepper shrimp, shrimp soup, shrimp stew, shrimp salad, shrimp and potatoes, shrimp burger, shrimp sandwich. That..that's about it."

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Postby Jewish Underground State » Wed Jun 01, 2022 4:38 pm

Fidimouni wrote:
Jewish Underground State wrote: :rofl:

No seriously. All of that was by another person. Genuinely.

Fuck your right.

I think one was.

Oh well.

I don't care

Ima stop
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Postby Islamic Essarn » Wed Jun 01, 2022 4:58 pm

Bonggongland wrote:I'm personally opposed to abortion. Not for moral reasons but because I find it funny that women will have to be responsible for their own choices and they act like it's the end of the world. Not having sex isn't life or death.

So only women should be responsible for having sex, last time i checked you need 2 people to get pregnant but your idea only punishes one of the people having sex.

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Postby Islamic Essarn » Wed Jun 01, 2022 5:01 pm

Bonggongland wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So what gives you the right to dictate how women can use their bodies?


What gives women the right to dictate if a child lives?


First of all a foetus is’t consciously, second of all it’s in there body with out that persons permission and third of all I thought you weren’t morally opposed to abortion

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Postby Islamic Essarn » Wed Jun 01, 2022 5:06 pm

Bonggongland wrote:
Equai wrote:Woman can be pregnant once in 9 months. A man can get get a woman pregnant once a day. Do the math and see who is more responsible for protection.
I can't be misandrist for speaking scientific facts and wanting men to stop being entitled and thinking that they cannot be at fault they they clearly can.


Your entire argument is, "MEN ARE 100% RESPONSIBLE FOR PREGNANCY REEEEE!", how are you not misandrist? Pregnancy requires a sperm and an egg. Men only have one. Women have a responsibility to be on birth control if they don't want to get pregnant just as men are responsible for condoms or vasectomies if they don't want kids.


Then why do you think that only women should be punished for having sex if we are only half the equation.

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Postby Des-Bal » Wed Jun 01, 2022 5:07 pm

Islamic Essarn wrote:
Then why do you think that only women should be punished for having sex if we are only half the equation.


Whose choice should it be whether or not a woman gets an abortion?
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Postby Islamic Essarn » Wed Jun 01, 2022 5:09 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Islamic Essarn wrote:
Then why do you think that only women should be punished for having sex if we are only half the equation.


Whose choice should it be whether or not a woman gets an abortion?


The women.

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Postby Des-Bal » Wed Jun 01, 2022 5:14 pm

Islamic Essarn wrote:
The women.


(Posting with the assumption you meant that as "the woman" and not a group of unnamed women who approve or deny abortions)

So you've conceded women are the only relevant half of the equation.
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Postby Islamic Essarn » Wed Jun 01, 2022 5:21 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Islamic Essarn wrote:
The women.


(Posting with the assumption you meant that as "the woman" and not a group of unnamed women who approve or deny abortions)

So you've conceded women are the only relevant half of the equation.


You don’t seem to understand my argument or it’s context, this is it : people who can get pregnant are only half the equation when it comes to getting pregnant but during and after pregnancy we, biologically or because of sexism, hold the vast majority of the responsibilities of having or expecting a child this means that abortion should be entirely in the hold of the person who can be pregnant, not the person who got the, pregnant. It also means that banning abortion only hurts people who can get pregnant.

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