[Abortion Thread] (POLL 4) A compromising position...

[The Caleshan Valkyrie]

Well no. It's thought that over half of fertilized ovum are ejected from the body either before they can implant, or shortly after implantation due to menstruation. Most women never realize they were pregnant.

But it doesn't really matter. Potentiality is an argument fraught with problems.

Take the potentiality argument to the extreme and we end up arguing whether or not we should abort the next Adolf Hitler. <.>

If arguments based on potentiality had any weight, Earth would have long ago been sucked into a blackhole of its own making.

[Neutraligon]

AL, are split-brain people (people whose left and right brain halves are not connected) two people, or one person?

Will your left/right brain develop into a new person with its own soul? If not, then it's a no.

Considering there are cases where one side is an atheist and the other is a theist...by most definitions of the word soul I have found...yes?

...How is that a solution to when contraceptives fail?

Not having sex prevents pregnancy.

If we take Christianity seriously...this is not true.

Yes, it will be a human being but it is’t when you have an abortion. I see this myth a lot and it’s like saying that if someone kills a 26 year old that they are killing a 60 year because if that person hadn’t killed them then they probably would have become a 60 year old.

62% of pregnancies resulted in a live birth. 22% resulted in an abortion. Lets assume a majority of abortions would result in live births, let's say 20%. That means there is 82% chance of a live birth. That's pretty high if you ask me, so that "cluster of cells" probably would have become a person.

Depends what you call a pregnancy, because up to 50% of fertilizations fail to implant.

[Jewish Underground State]

Well no. It's thought that over half of fertilized ovum are ejected from the body either before they can implant, or shortly after implantation due to menstruation. Most women never realize they were pregnant.

But it doesn't really matter. Potentiality is an argument fraught with problems.

Take the potentiality argument to the extreme and we end up arguing whether or not we should abort the next Adolf Hitler. <.>

I mean we can't even tell if the baby will be Adolf Hitler.

We can't base a debate like this with hindsight

[Hamidiye]

Take the potentiality argument to the extreme and we end up arguing whether or not we should abort the next Adolf Hitler. <.>

I mean we can't even tell if the baby will be Adolf Hitler.

We can't base a debate like this with hindsight

I vote any future Hitler-babies qualify for a postnatal abortion.

[Jewish Underground State]

I mean we can't even tell if the baby will be Adolf Hitler.

We can't base a debate like this with hindsight

I vote any future Hitler-babies qualify for a postnatal abortion.

We can't just get them into art school?

[Hamidiye]

I vote any future Hitler-babies qualify for a postnatal abortion.

We can't just get them into art school?

Hitlers paintings stunk.

[New Eestiball]

I vote any future Hitler-babies qualify for a postnatal abortion.

We can't just get them into art school?

Nah, give them the Napoleon.

[Hamidiye]

We can't just get them into art school?

Nah, give them the Napoleon.

Thanks, now I imagine an island filled with wannabe-dictators. Hell, we could send the retired ones there too, wannabe-hitler and daddy Pinochet together.

[New Eestiball]

Okay, this needs to get back on track. Although this is funny, it still isn't really abortion-related.

[Hamidiye]

Okay, this needs to get back on track. Although this is funny, it still isn't really abortion-related.

It has the benefit of being both funny and logical though, unlike the people calling a cell-agglomeration smaller than what they usually exterminate when cleaning their bathroom a baby.

This debate will only end when we finally are ready to stop granting anything religious that exemption from reasonable doubt. We need to stop respecting opinions that are so obviously idiotic, just like racism post WWII.

[Equai]

Okay, this needs to get back on track. Although this is funny, it still isn't really abortion-related.

It has the benefit of being both funny and logical though, unlike the people calling a cell-agglomeration smaller than what they usually exterminate when cleaning their bathroom a baby.

This debate will only end when we finally are ready to stop granting anything religious that exemption from reasonable doubt. We need to stop respecting opinions that are so obviously idiotic, just like racism post WWII.

You know as much as you are right wing and as much as I am far left in terms of how we see world, I do very much agree with you. The abortion debate will only end when we are ready to stop respecting opinions and enabling people who use pseudo-scientific sources such as religious books to spread their oppression onto oppressed groups and let each individual have their own choice and autonomy over their body

[Islamic Essarn]

It has the benefit of being both funny and logical though, unlike the people calling a cell-agglomeration smaller than what they usually exterminate when cleaning their bathroom a baby.

This debate will only end when we finally are ready to stop granting anything religious that exemption from reasonable doubt. We need to stop respecting opinions that are so obviously idiotic, just like racism post WWII.

You know as much as you are right wing and as much as I am far left in terms of how we see world, I do very much agree with you. The abortion debate will only end when we are ready to stop respecting opinions and enabling people who use pseudo-scientific sources such as religious books to spread their oppression onto oppressed groups and let each individual have their own choice and autonomy over their body

I agree with you and your philosophy but the only way to convince them that they are wrong is to find issues with their arguments.

[Times be changing]

The whole anti abortion movement is built on benevolent sexism

[The Caleshan Valkyrie]

The whole anti abortion movement is built on benevolent sexism

I’m pretty sure that sexism and benevolence are antonyms of each other in this circumstance.

[New haven america]

The whole anti abortion movement is built on benevolent sexism

You don't know what that term means.

[Islamic Essarn]

The whole anti abortion movement is built on benevolent sexism

I’m pretty sure that sexism and benevolence are antonyms of each other in this circumstance.

No, benevolent sexism refers to a form of sexism in which women and women doing roles that are seen as famine are seen as perfect, pure and innocent but also seen as weak and in need of mens protection.

[Katganistan]

I knew they were going after trans people and probably gay marriage. I did not know about the male contraception.

Their just going after male contraception their going after all contraception

I am talking specifically about what I did not know that New Haven informed me of.

These theocratic assholes are the first ones to deny people food stamps and welfare to support the children they are trying to force women to carry. And don't let the GOP tell you they give a single shit about preserving life when we have yet another massacre of 20 elementary school kids and their teachers and "welp we can't do anything about regulating that". Oh and red states LOOOOOOOVE the death penalty. Usually when it's used on dirty brown people.

They are a death cult that hates women and dirty brown people.

[The Caleshan Valkyrie]

I’m pretty sure that sexism and benevolence are antonyms of each other in this circumstance.

No, benevolent sexism refers to a form of sexism in which women and women doing roles that are seen as famine are seen as perfect, pure and innocent but also seen as weak and in need of mens protection.

Yeah, nah. Not seeing it as ‘benevolent’ at all. That’s trying to sugar-coat treating women as property.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I’m pretty sure that sexism and benevolence are antonyms of each other in this circumstance.

No, benevolent sexism refers to a form of sexism in which women and women doing roles that are seen as famine are seen as perfect, pure and innocent but also seen as weak and in need of mens protection.

Patently patronising Victorian nonsense

[Islamic Essarn]

No, benevolent sexism refers to a form of sexism in which women and women doing roles that are seen as famine are seen as perfect, pure and innocent but also seen as weak and in need of mens protection.

Yeah, nah. Not seeing it as ‘benevolent’ at all. That’s trying to sugar-coat treating women as property.

yes, it is all those things that’s just the term for it

[Space Squid]

No, benevolent sexism refers to a form of sexism in which women and women doing roles that are seen as famine are seen as perfect, pure and innocent but also seen as weak and in need of mens protection.

Yeah, nah. Not seeing it as ‘benevolent’ at all. That’s trying to sugar-coat treating women as property.

The "benevolent" in "benevolent sexism" has always been in massive air-quotes. People who use the term use it sardonically.

[New haven america]

I’m pretty sure that sexism and benevolence are antonyms of each other in this circumstance.

No, benevolent sexism refers to a form of sexism in which women and women doing roles that are seen as famine are seen as perfect, pure and innocent but also seen as weak and in need of mens protection.

No, that's not what benevolent sexism is.

Benevolent sexism and benevolent behaviors that stem from sexist ideals (And are notably behaviors that the modern feminist movement are quite quiet about). Like men paying for women's meals because women have been historically less financially capable, or opening the door for them specifically because they've been seen as less physically capable.

[Godular]

Yeah, nah. Not seeing it as ‘benevolent’ at all. That’s trying to sugar-coat treating women as property.

The "benevolent" in "benevolent sexism" has always been in massive air-quotes. People who use the term use it sardonically.

Ah, gotcha.

[Islamic Essarn]

No, benevolent sexism refers to a form of sexism in which women and women doing roles that are seen as famine are seen as perfect, pure and innocent but also seen as weak and in need of mens protection.

No, that's not what benevolent sexism is.

Benevolent sexism and benevolent behaviors that stem from sexist ideals (And are notably behaviors that the modern feminist movement are quite quiet about). Like men paying for women's meals because women have been historically less financially capable, or opening the door for them specifically because they've been seen as less physically capable.

Benevolent sexism is both of those things

[Jewish Underground State]

The whole anti abortion movement is built on benevolent sexism

That's a thing? That just sounds like sexism but "justified" by men.