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What would you consider to be the best 'compromise'?

Reduce abortions with welfare supports / other non-invasive measures, leave access untouched.
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33%
Set conditions under which abortions can be accessed.
83
21%
Allow free access, under a given time limit.
38
9%
Allow free access, but give men an option to excuse themselves from child support.
40
10%
HELL WITH COMPROMISE, IT'S MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY!
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21%
Look out! They're here! Pink Elephants on Parade! Here they come, hippity hoppity!
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Mon May 23, 2022 6:21 pm

Jewish Underground State wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:Why have such restrictions?

If you're going to put in the work to have a child then you should have that child. Some people need Abortions. It shouldn't just be for horny people who couldn't keep it in their pants.

It should be for anyone who needs an abortion. Punishing someone with a kid because they made a mistake is horrible.
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Postby Jewish Underground State » Mon May 23, 2022 6:22 pm

New haven america wrote:

Did you not read my first post? This has nothing of value in relation to what I said.

Stage 1: Denial

Alright all jokes aside I can't change your mind
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Postby Islamic Essarn » Mon May 23, 2022 6:23 pm

Jewish Underground State wrote:
Heloin wrote:You don't know how abortions work or how long waiting time is I take it.

Accuse me for what you want. If people don't want a child then they should use protection.

When you're raped you can't use protection. That's why those people need abortions.


First of all contraceptives can fail, second of all the logic used in SCOTUS could b used to overturn the right contraception.

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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Mon May 23, 2022 6:24 pm

Jewish Underground State wrote:
New haven america wrote:Did you not read my first post? This has nothing of value in relation to what I said.

Stage 1: Denial

Alright all jokes aside I can't change your mind

You're not really making a strong argument here. If you think there's something of value that relates to their post maybe share an excerpt and elaborate?
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Postby Jewish Underground State » Mon May 23, 2022 6:24 pm

Islamic Essarn wrote:
Jewish Underground State wrote:Accuse me for what you want. If people don't want a child then they should use protection.

When you're raped you can't use protection. That's why those people need abortions.


First of all contraceptives can fail, second of all the logic used in SCOTUS could b used to overturn the right contraception.

Ok you got me there. I will admit I didn't think of that.
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Postby New haven america » Mon May 23, 2022 6:25 pm

Jewish Underground State wrote:
New haven america wrote:Did you not read my first post? This has nothing of value in relation to what I said.

Stage 1: Denial

Alright all jokes aside I can't change your mind

Because you haven't posted or done anything that could be considered as even a slight modicum of an argument.

This is like getting mad that you got an F despite doing nothing to study or improve your grade other than to ask the teacher not to fail you.

"Hey can I change your mind?"

"Give me evidence or a worthwhile argument."

"... Welp, tried everything, guess it can't be done."
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Postby The Free Republican Union » Mon May 23, 2022 6:26 pm

Jewish Underground State wrote:
New haven america wrote:Did you not read my first post? This has nothing of value in relation to what I said.

Stage 1: Denial

Alright all jokes aside I can't change your mind

I already tried that before...apparently they were already on stage two: anger.
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Postby Jewish Underground State » Mon May 23, 2022 6:27 pm

I will state my beliefs one more time.

Abortion should only be allowed in cases of Rape and Genetic disease.

Rape because they couldn't control if they had a kid or not

Genetic disease because many of these diseases can't be cured easily and your making the child's life painful.
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Postby Necroghastia » Mon May 23, 2022 6:27 pm

The Free Republican Union wrote:
Jewish Underground State wrote:Stage 1: Denial

Alright all jokes aside I can't change your mind

I already tried that before...apparently they were already on stage two: anger.

Yeah, I'm still waiting for you to show me the post where I said any of that crap you said I said.
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Postby New haven america » Mon May 23, 2022 6:28 pm

The Free Republican Union wrote:
Jewish Underground State wrote:Stage 1: Denial

Alright all jokes aside I can't change your mind

I already tried that before...apparently they were already on stage two: anger.

Have you considered posting an interesting or worthwhile argument?
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Postby Islamic Essarn » Mon May 23, 2022 6:28 pm

Katganistan wrote:
New haven america wrote:Then why'd you ask for proof?

I knew they were going after trans people and probably gay marriage. I did not know about the male contraception.


Their just going after male contraception their going after all contraception

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Postby Necroghastia » Mon May 23, 2022 6:28 pm

Jewish Underground State wrote:I will state my beliefs one more time.

Abortion should only be allowed in cases of Rape and Genetic disease.

Rape because they couldn't control if they had a kid or not

Genetic disease because many of these diseases can't be cured easily and your making the child's life painful.

Again, there's not, like, a limited supply of abortions nor does one take an ungodly amount of time to perform - which seems to be the crux of your objection.
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Postby Jewish Underground State » Mon May 23, 2022 6:29 pm

New haven america wrote:
Jewish Underground State wrote:Stage 1: Denial

Alright all jokes aside I can't change your mind

Because you haven't posted or done anything that could be considered as even a slight modicum of an argument.

This is like getting mad that you got an F despite doing nothing to study or improve your grade other than to ask the teacher not to fail you.

"Hey can I change your mind?"

"Give me evidence or a worthwhile argument."

"... Welp, tried everything, guess it can't be done."


"The critics can go to hell. Everyone of them is sexist"

Stage 2: Anger.

I'm just gonna keep this going
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Postby The Free Republican Union » Mon May 23, 2022 6:31 pm

Jewish Underground State wrote:
New haven america wrote:Because you haven't posted or done anything that could be considered as even a slight modicum of an argument.

This is like getting mad that you got an F despite doing nothing to study or improve your grade other than to ask the teacher not to fail you.

"Hey can I change your mind?"

"Give me evidence or a worthwhile argument."

"... Welp, tried everything, guess it can't be done."


"The critics can go to hell. Everyone of them is sexist"

Stage 2: Anger.

I'm just gonna keep this going

I think they're on stage three: bargaining. They're trying to validate their beliefs over yours.
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Postby Islamic Essarn » Mon May 23, 2022 6:32 pm

Jewish Underground State wrote:I will state my beliefs one more time.

Abortion should only be allowed in cases of Rape and Genetic disease.

Rape because they couldn't control if they had a kid or not

Genetic disease because many of these diseases can't be cured easily and your making the child's life painful.


Why do you believe that abortion should only be used in these citations

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Postby The Free Republican Union » Mon May 23, 2022 6:32 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
The Free Republican Union wrote:I already tried that before...apparently they were already on stage two: anger.

Yeah, I'm still waiting for you to show me the post where I said any of that crap you said I said.

Sorry, I actually thought I was being clever before when I said what I said, but I actually misinterpreted what you said. So I have no rebuttal.
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Postby New haven america » Mon May 23, 2022 6:32 pm

Jewish Underground State wrote:
New haven america wrote:Because you haven't posted or done anything that could be considered as even a slight modicum of an argument.

This is like getting mad that you got an F despite doing nothing to study or improve your grade other than to ask the teacher not to fail you.

"Hey can I change your mind?"

"Give me evidence or a worthwhile argument."

"... Welp, tried everything, guess it can't be done."


"The critics can go to hell. Everyone of them is sexist"

Stage 2: Anger.

I'm just gonna keep this going

Now this is you going on RateMyProfessor and ranting about how unfair they were for failing you after you did nothing.

Are you going to post an interesting or worthwhile argument anytime soon?
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Postby Space Squid » Mon May 23, 2022 6:32 pm

Jewish Underground State wrote:I will state my beliefs one more time.

Abortion should only be allowed in cases of Rape and Genetic disease.

Rape because they couldn't control if they had a kid or not

Genetic disease because many of these diseases can't be cured easily and your making the child's life painful.

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Postby Jewish Underground State » Mon May 23, 2022 6:33 pm

Islamic Essarn wrote:
Jewish Underground State wrote:I will state my beliefs one more time.

Abortion should only be allowed in cases of Rape and Genetic disease.

Rape because they couldn't control if they had a kid or not

Genetic disease because many of these diseases can't be cured easily and your making the child's life painful.


Why do you believe that abortion should only be used in these citations

Because people need to learn to keep it in their pants.
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Postby New haven america » Mon May 23, 2022 6:34 pm

Jewish Underground State wrote:
Islamic Essarn wrote:
Why do you believe that abortion should only be used in these citations

Because people need to learn to keep it in their pants.

Pregnancy as punishment! Everyone take a shot!
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Postby Forsher » Mon May 23, 2022 6:35 pm

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Xerographica wrote:Please read my signature.


I don't moderate by Forsher (or anyone's, except fellow staff members') quotes.


And this is why NSG is dying.

I was your prophet, and you didn't listen!

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wrt the thread, we were taught that abortion was a lot easier to access in NZ than, in fact, it is... which is why it was liberalised in the last three years (forget when exactly). On the other hand, given it was basically a non-issue, perhaps we were taught accurately, it's just they didn't want to leave the regulation as a criminal matter.
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Mon May 23, 2022 6:35 pm

Jewish Underground State wrote:
New haven america wrote:Because you haven't posted or done anything that could be considered as even a slight modicum of an argument.

This is like getting mad that you got an F despite doing nothing to study or improve your grade other than to ask the teacher not to fail you.

"Hey can I change your mind?"

"Give me evidence or a worthwhile argument."

"... Welp, tried everything, guess it can't be done."


"The critics can go to hell. Everyone of them is sexist"

Stage 2: Anger.

I'm just gonna keep this going

You're being asked for evidence because you haven't made a cohesive argument, this has nothing to do with the stages of grief
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Postby New haven america » Mon May 23, 2022 6:37 pm

Alcala-Cordel wrote:
Jewish Underground State wrote:
"The critics can go to hell. Everyone of them is sexist"

Stage 2: Anger.

I'm just gonna keep this going

You're being asked for evidence because you haven't made a cohesive argument, this has nothing to do with the stages of grief

Well you see, they can't do that because no such argument exists.

So let's just keep spinning wheels until something happens.
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Mon May 23, 2022 6:37 pm

Jewish Underground State wrote:
Islamic Essarn wrote:
Why do you believe that abortion should only be used in these citations

Because people need to learn to keep it in their pants.

Because you don't like the idea of people having sex for fun so you think anyone who does should be punished with children, or is there something else wrong with it that I'm missing?
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Postby Islamic Essarn » Mon May 23, 2022 6:38 pm

Jewish Underground State wrote:
Islamic Essarn wrote:
Why do you believe that abortion should only be used in these citations

Because people need to learn to keep it in their pants.


But pregnancy can only effect half of the population, so you only seem to be punishing people who can get pregnant.

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