[Abortion Thread] (POLL 4) A compromising position...

[Necroghastia]

It should not be a 'states' rights' issue. A woman's bodily autonomy should not be subject to local jurisdiction.

Well, at that rate, my money should not be regulated by the government because its my money.

homie their name is literally on it

[Adamede]

...How is that a solution to when contraceptives fail?

Not having sex prevents pregnancy.

Abstinence sex ed generally correlates with increases in teen pregnancy.

[Islamic Essarn]

It should not be a 'states' rights' issue. A woman's bodily autonomy should not be subject to local jurisdiction.

Well, at that rate, my money should not be regulated by the government because its my money.

You don’t have a basic human right to keep all of your money.

[The Free Republican Union]

Sure. I would fight for African Americans to have full rights, as should all other people with a sense of decency.

And if, say, Alabama decided to go back to the early 1800s, tough titty for all the black people there?

I would pray, and fight for their rights, but if that's how Alabama want's to be, then that's their choice.

[Necroghastia]

...Religion cannot be put into law and abortion is not religious.

Well someone just changed their tune, didn't they?

No? I don't know where you got any of your ridiculous misunderstandings but no changes of tune have occurred. I would truly be utterly delighted to be shown otherwise.

[Spirit of Hope]

Hurray, SCOTUS is allowing states to take away a fundamental right. States shouldn't get to take away people's rights. If SCOTUS said that African Americans right to be a citizens was back up for the states to decide would that be ok?

Sure. I would fight for African Americans to have full rights, as should all other people with a sense of decency.

So you are ok with people's fundamental rights being up for debate and be taken away as long as the state does it? Citizen ship, freedom of religion, property rights, all of it?

Why not just guarantee people's rights. Again, just because the state does it doesn't make it a good thing.

[Adamede]

That makes less than zero sense.

It does, I just poorly worded my statement. I'll reword it: If religion can be put into law (according to Godular), then abortion (which we've apparently established as religious) can be put into law.

Then why stop there?

[Godular]

It should not be a 'states' rights' issue. A woman's bodily autonomy should not be subject to local jurisdiction.

Well, at that rate, my money should not be regulated by the government because its my money.

Oh, is your money a part of your body? I'm pretty sure it is not. Thus, a woman's bodily autonomy is a completely separate issue from the taxes you pay.

[The Free Republican Union]

Well, at that rate, my money should not be regulated by the government because its my money.

homie their name is literally on it

Then why do we pay taxes to the government if they already have all the money?

[Necroghastia]

And if, say, Alabama decided to go back to the early 1800s, tough titty for all the black people there?

I would pray, and fight for their rights,

What happened to not complaining about it?

but if that's how Alabama want's to be, then that's their choice.

It's not the choice of all the people whose rights would be crushed underfoot.

[The Free Republican Union]

Well someone just changed their tune, didn't they?

No? I don't know where you got any of your ridiculous misunderstandings but no changes of tune have occurred. I would truly be utterly delighted to be shown otherwise.

The first stage of denial. (And possibly the second)

[Necroghastia]

No? I don't know where you got any of your ridiculous misunderstandings but no changes of tune have occurred. I would truly be utterly delighted to be shown otherwise.

The first stage of denial. (And possibly the second)

...Again, what?

[Godular]

No? I don't know where you got any of your ridiculous misunderstandings but no changes of tune have occurred. I would truly be utterly delighted to be shown otherwise.

The first stage of denial. (And possibly the second)

Feel free to prove that they said anything along the lines of what you claim. They did say they'd welcome you doing so.

[The Free Republican Union]

Sure. I would fight for African Americans to have full rights, as should all other people with a sense of decency.

So you are ok with people's fundamental rights being up for debate and be taken away as long as the state does it? Citizen ship, freedom of religion, property rights, all of it?

Why not just guarantee people's rights. Again, just because the state does it doesn't make it a good thing.

I don't think everything should be up to the states. The previous answers were based on hypotheticals. We have a bill of rights for a reason, and abortion is not on that list. Thus it goes to the states.

[The Free Republican Union]

Well, at that rate, my money should not be regulated by the government because its my money.

Oh, is your money a part of your body? I'm pretty sure it is not. Thus, a woman's bodily autonomy is a completely separate issue from the taxes you pay.

I was making a comparison.

[Necroghastia]

So you are ok with people's fundamental rights being up for debate and be taken away as long as the state does it? Citizen ship, freedom of religion, property rights, all of it?

Why not just guarantee people's rights. Again, just because the state does it doesn't make it a good thing.

I don't think everything should be up to the states. The previous answers were based on hypotheticals. We have a bill of rights for a reason, and abortion is not on that list. Thus it goes to the states.

We also have the Fourteenth Amendment for a reason.

[Godular]

homie their name is literally on it

Then why do we pay taxes to the government if they already have all the money?

What happens to your money and its relation to taxation is not a concern of this thread.

[The Free Republican Union]

The first stage of denial. (And possibly the second)

...Again, what?

Just the first it looks like.

[The Free Republican Union]

Then why do we pay taxes to the government if they already have all the money?

What happens to your money and its relation to taxation is not a concern of this thread.

I agree.

[Necroghastia]

...Again, what?

Just the first it looks like.

Feel free to quote me saying any of the bullshit you claim me to have said. Please.

[The Free Republican Union]

I don't think everything should be up to the states. The previous answers were based on hypotheticals. We have a bill of rights for a reason, and abortion is not on that list. Thus it goes to the states.

We also have the Fourteenth Amendment for a reason.

Exactly, and that amendment should stay federal. But you choose to use it for your example, and I played along with it.

[Spirit of Hope]

So you are ok with people's fundamental rights being up for debate and be taken away as long as the state does it? Citizen ship, freedom of religion, property rights, all of it?

Why not just guarantee people's rights. Again, just because the state does it doesn't make it a good thing.

I don't think everything should be up to the states. The previous answers were based on hypotheticals. We have a bill of rights for a reason, and abortion is not on that list. Thus it goes to the states.

You should read amendment 9 then:

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Interestingly, abortion was perfectly legal for about the first trimester during the founders times. Also it should surprise no one that a bunch of rich white guys forgot to mention a women's issue. They forgot to make everyone citizens and were perfectly ok with slavery after all.

[Necroghastia]

We also have the Fourteenth Amendment for a reason.

Exactly, and that amendment should stay federal.

...It explicitly mentions what States cannot do. It never has been merely federal.

But you choose to use it for your example, and I played along with it.

...What?

[Godular]

What happens to your money and its relation to taxation is not a concern of this thread.

I agree.

Then don't bring it up, 'comparison' or otherwise. It's a shitty tactic that attempts to compare apples to jeeps.

[The Free Republican Union]

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