Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Are we gonna hold solemn funerals for dead skin cells in the future?
I mean, I can't stop you from mourning your skin cells, but funerals for each and every one may get a little pricey.
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by American Legionaries » Fri May 20, 2022 3:45 pm
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Are we gonna hold solemn funerals for dead skin cells in the future?
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by Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri May 20, 2022 3:53 pm
American Legionaries wrote:Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Are we gonna hold solemn funerals for dead skin cells in the future?
I mean, I can't stop you from mourning your skin cells, but funerals for each and every one may get a little pricey.
by Necroghastia » Fri May 20, 2022 3:54 pm
American Legionaries wrote:Spirit of Hope wrote:
That isn't much of an answer. How do you define human species and organism? For example cell cultures in a laboratory are an organisms and have human DNA, does that make them a person?
Human species would be members of the taxonomic genus Homo of which all extant members are of the species Homo Sapiens.
An organism is any distinct life form.
If the cell culture's in the laboratory meet the threshold of being an organism, then yes.
by American Legionaries » Fri May 20, 2022 3:54 pm
Equai wrote:American Legionaries wrote:
I would define a person as an organism of the human species.
Very weak answer considering that in the basic 5th grade biology you are an organism if you can live individually separated from dependencies of your host's nutrients, which is why virus is not a real organism but a weird abomination between alive and dead and why fetus cannot be considered a full organism because it still depends on the person's nutrients in order to grow to be an alive being at the very late stage of pregnancy so it can survive outside the person's body. Of course this is very big oversimplification that eaves a lot of details. Also in order for something to be considered organism it needs to check 5 characteristics of life, which a group of cells called fetus cannot check because its not an organism by the scientific field
by Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri May 20, 2022 3:55 pm
American Legionaries wrote:Equai wrote:
Very weak answer considering that in the basic 5th grade biology you are an organism if you can live individually separated from dependencies of your host's nutrients, which is why virus is not a real organism but a weird abomination between alive and dead and why fetus cannot be considered a full organism because it still depends on the person's nutrients in order to grow to be an alive being at the very late stage of pregnancy so it can survive outside the person's body. Of course this is very big oversimplification that eaves a lot of details. Also in order for something to be considered organism it needs to check 5 characteristics of life, which a group of cells called fetus cannot check because its not an organism by the scientific field
Today I learned parasitic organisms aren't actually real.
by The Caleshan Valkyrie » Fri May 20, 2022 3:56 pm
American Legionaries wrote:Equai wrote:
Very weak answer considering that in the basic 5th grade biology you are an organism if you can live individually separated from dependencies of your host's nutrients, which is why virus is not a real organism but a weird abomination between alive and dead and why fetus cannot be considered a full organism because it still depends on the person's nutrients in order to grow to be an alive being at the very late stage of pregnancy so it can survive outside the person's body. Of course this is very big oversimplification that eaves a lot of details. Also in order for something to be considered organism it needs to check 5 characteristics of life, which a group of cells called fetus cannot check because its not an organism by the scientific field
Today I learned parasitic organisms aren't actually real.
by American Legionaries » Fri May 20, 2022 3:57 pm
by American Legionaries » Fri May 20, 2022 3:59 pm
you are an organism if you can live individually separated from dependencies of your host's nutrients
by Spirit of Hope » Fri May 20, 2022 3:59 pm
American Legionaries wrote:Spirit of Hope wrote:
That isn't much of an answer. How do you define human species and organism? For example cell cultures in a laboratory are an organisms and have human DNA, does that make them a person?
Human species would be members of the taxonomic genus Homo of which all extant members are of the species Homo Sapiens.
An organism is any distinct life form.
If the cell culture's in the laboratory meet the threshold of being an organism, then yes.
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by The Caleshan Valkyrie » Fri May 20, 2022 4:03 pm
by Equai » Fri May 20, 2022 4:04 pm
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by American Legionaries » Fri May 20, 2022 4:05 pm
Spirit of Hope wrote:American Legionaries wrote:
Human species would be members of the taxonomic genus Homo of which all extant members are of the species Homo Sapiens.
An organism is any distinct life form.
If the cell culture's in the laboratory meet the threshold of being an organism, then yes.
I feel sperm would meet your definition of people., cell cultures certainly do. So is stem cell research murder?
by Equai » Fri May 20, 2022 4:09 pm
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by American Legionaries » Fri May 20, 2022 4:13 pm
Equai wrote:
It wouldn't because as person above me said, mosquitos can be classified as parasitic and while they feed off humans and animals nutrients thought sucking their blood they still can survive on its own. Plus mosquitos, as well, have complex organic structure which is a key thing to define what an actually person, human in this case is. Until a very late stage pregnancy a fetus cannot be considered a complex structured, even less a person because as I said above you have no consciousness of a personhood until at least 2sn year of life
by Spirit of Hope » Fri May 20, 2022 4:13 pm
American Legionaries wrote:Spirit of Hope wrote:
I feel sperm would meet your definition of people., cell cultures certainly do. So is stem cell research murder?
Sperm certainly doesn't as a sperm cell is not an organism. Cell cultures may or may not meet the definition, but they're too broad a category to classify wholesale. Depending on technique stem cell research could well result in a murder if the mechanism kills a human organism.
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by The Caleshan Valkyrie » Fri May 20, 2022 4:15 pm
American Legionaries wrote:Equai wrote:It wouldn't because as person above me said, mosquitos can be classified as parasitic and while they feed off humans and animals nutrients thought sucking their blood they still can survive on its own. Plus mosquitos, as well, have complex organic structure which is a key thing to define what an actually person, human in this case is. Until a very late stage pregnancy a fetus cannot be considered a complex structured, even less a person because as I said above you have no consciousness of a personhood until at least 2sn year of life
I don't believe that complex structures and consciousness are required traits of personhood.
by American Legionaries » Fri May 20, 2022 4:17 pm
Spirit of Hope wrote:American Legionaries wrote:
Sperm certainly doesn't as a sperm cell is not an organism. Cell cultures may or may not meet the definition, but they're too broad a category to classify wholesale. Depending on technique stem cell research could well result in a murder if the mechanism kills a human organism.
A sperm cell can be argued to be an organism, especially using your definition, though not a very complicated one to be sure.
Since your definition appears to include things like cell cultures for research, cancer, and sperm cells I think it is far to broad for use. Feel free to push for murder trials for researchers using stem cells, but I find it unlikely you actually hold that position.
by Equai » Fri May 20, 2022 4:22 pm
American Legionaries wrote:Spirit of Hope wrote:
A sperm cell can be argued to be an organism, especially using your definition, though not a very complicated one to be sure.
Since your definition appears to include things like cell cultures for research, cancer, and sperm cells I think it is far to broad for use. Feel free to push for murder trials for researchers using stem cells, but I find it unlikely you actually hold that position.
Lots of things can be argued.
Well as I said, that would depend on the culture. A culture could constitute an organism, but wouldn't necessarily. As for what I push politically, luckily neither your belief, nor your permission are required for me to act upon my personal politics.
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by American Legionaries » Fri May 20, 2022 4:24 pm
Equai wrote:American Legionaries wrote:
Lots of things can be argued.
Well as I said, that would depend on the culture. A culture could constitute an organism, but wouldn't necessarily. As for what I push politically, luckily neither your belief, nor your permission are required for me to act upon my personal politics.
Just the way you said it, it all reminds me on how slave owners had the same mentality as you when they made Confederate States of America. Not an attack or anything, just an interesting similarity in the behavior and attitude.
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