[Abortion Thread] (POLL 4) A compromising position...

[Thepeopl]

Her body, her choice?

These are the kinds of things that will happen all the time in a world where abortion is banned.

My guess is that she 1) needed help and couldn't get it, probably because she couldn't afford it and 2) didn't know about safe havens, otherwise she would have brought the baby to one of those spots. I don't suppose you support teenagers learning about their right to surrender a baby at a hospital or a fire station in sex ed? And I don't suppose you support the construction of baby boxes so that one can do that completely anonymously?

https://siecus.org/state_profile/new-me ... e-profile/

Says you ,page, are right in your assumptions that school probably didn't include the hospital/ fire station/ baby boxes.

Really, school should hand out menstrual trackers app links ( ob site has one online, flo is a nice app for your phone, menstruation tracker too etc). Most have a supportive user forum where you can ask questions, share stories etc.
Tracking your cycle provides health insights and can give you a feeling of control.

[The Blaatschapen]

My countries regulations are quite adequate, though that religiously affiliated hospitals still can refuse to perform abortions while receiving government funding should be stamped out. Hell, religious schools and hospitals should not exist in general, let them peddle their garbage somewhere else.

What is your country?

[Jinggangshan]

My countries regulations are quite adequate, though that religiously affiliated hospitals still can refuse to perform abortions while receiving government funding should be stamped out. Hell, religious schools and hospitals should not exist in general, let them peddle their garbage somewhere else.

What is your country?

Germany.

[San Lumen]

https://abc7ny.com/abortion-roe-v-wade- ... /11463954/

New Jersey governor signs bills codifying Roe vs Wade into law.

[Stellar Colonies]

https://abc7ny.com/abortion-roe-v-wade-new-jersey-phil-murphy/11463954/

New Jersey governor signs bills codifying Roe vs Wade into law.

I shall consider pausing in my agitation for Pennsylvania to reclaim its rightful coastline.

[Thepeopl]

https://abc7ny.com/abortion-roe-v-wade-new-jersey-phil-murphy/11463954/

New Jersey governor signs bills codifying Roe vs Wade into law.

I shall consider pausing in my agitation for Pennsylvania to reclaim its rightful coastline.

Ooh, kicking them back to Europe?

Because everyone stole USA from the indigenous people.

[San Lumen]

https://abc7ny.com/abortion-roe-v-wade-new-jersey-phil-murphy/11463954/

New Jersey governor signs bills codifying Roe vs Wade into law.

I shall consider pausing in my agitation for Pennsylvania to reclaim its rightful coastline.

huh? What is this supposed to mean?

[The Caleshan Valkyrie]

I shall consider pausing in my agitation for Pennsylvania to reclaim its rightful coastline.

huh? What is this supposed to mean?

That they have decided to treat New Jersey as more than a target of conquest by Pennsylvania. I’m fairly certain this is in jest.

Fairly certain.

[Kowani]

Florida appeals court overrules judge who refused to let a 17-year-old terminate her pregnancy because she was not "sufficiently mature." (2-1)

[Necroghastia]

Florida appeals court overrules judge who refused to let a 17-year-old terminate her pregnancy because she was not "sufficiently mature." (2-1)

Because, of course, people who aren't "sufficiently mature" are definitely ready for parenthood.

Ugh.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

mfw you are apparently "mature" if you have a car and a driver's license.
meanwhile nobody renting out cars would think of renting one to a 20 year old without a lot of extra charges.

[Neutraligon]

Florida appeals court overrules judge who refused to let a 17-year-old terminate her pregnancy because she was not "sufficiently mature." (2-1)

You're immature, here have a child.

[Dogmeat]

Florida appeals court overrules judge who refused to let a 17-year-old terminate her pregnancy because she was not "sufficiently mature." (2-1)

Did they arrive at the decision in time for it to matter?

[Neutraligon]

Florida appeals court overrules judge who refused to let a 17-year-old terminate her pregnancy because she was not "sufficiently mature." (2-1)

Did they arrive at the decision in time for it to matter?

"court shall render its decision on the appeal as expeditiously as possible and no later than 7 days from the transmittal of the record.

[The New California Republic]

Florida appeals court overrules judge who refused to let a 17-year-old terminate her pregnancy because she was not "sufficiently mature." (2-1)

Good, I suspect the original judge just used that as an excuse, as according to the court documents she is totally compos mentis and is able to make reasoned arguments for her decision on the basis of evidence available to her and awareness of her circumstances, so not quite sure what the original judge was using in his benchmarks.

[Thepeopl]

Florida appeals court overrules judge who refused to let a 17-year-old terminate her pregnancy because she was not "sufficiently mature." (2-1)

Good, I suspect the original judge just used that as an excuse, as according to the court documents she is totally compos mentis and is able to make reasoned arguments for her decision on the basis of evidence available to her and awareness of her circumstances, so not quite sure what the original judge was using in his benchmarks.

Am I the only one who finds it criminal that a 17 year old works 26/ 32 hours a week besides going to highschool?

And she has no health insurance because the parents refuse to put her on theirs?

[The New California Republic]

Good, I suspect the original judge just used that as an excuse, as according to the court documents she is totally compos mentis and is able to make reasoned arguments for her decision on the basis of evidence available to her and awareness of her circumstances, so not quite sure what the original judge was using in his benchmarks.

Am I the only one who finds it criminal that a 17 year old works 26/ 32 hours a week besides going to highschool?

And she has no health insurance because the parents refuse to put her on theirs?

Yes there are other elements to this case that are just really bad, and it seems if anything that she's actually doing the very best that she possibly can given her home and life circumstances, in contrast to what that first judge thought.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Florida appeals court overrules judge who refused to let a 17-year-old terminate her pregnancy because she was not "sufficiently mature." (2-1)

Good, I suspect the original judge just used that as an excuse, as according to the court documents she is totally compos mentis and is able to make reasoned arguments for her decision on the basis of evidence available to her and awareness of her circumstances, so not quite sure what the original judge was using in his benchmarks.

One of the "reasons" that judge guy raised was literally "she doesn't own a car or a driver's license so she's not mature enough".

[The Blaatschapen]

Good, I suspect the original judge just used that as an excuse, as according to the court documents she is totally compos mentis and is able to make reasoned arguments for her decision on the basis of evidence available to her and awareness of her circumstances, so not quite sure what the original judge was using in his benchmarks.

One of the "reasons" that judge guy raised was literally "she doesn't own a car or a driver's license so she's not mature enough".

My mom also doesn't own a car or a driver's license.

She's 70+.

That's a weird argument.

[Elwher]

Florida appeals court overrules judge who refused to let a 17-year-old terminate her pregnancy because she was not "sufficiently mature." (2-1)

If a 17-year-old commits a crime, we are disposed to go more lightly on them because the decision-making part of the brain is not fully developed yet. Is this not as serious a matter as shoplifting?

[The New California Republic]

Florida appeals court overrules judge who refused to let a 17-year-old terminate her pregnancy because she was not "sufficiently mature." (2-1)

If a 17-year-old commits a crime, we are disposed to go more lightly on them because the decision-making part of the brain is not fully developed yet. Is this not as serious a matter as shoplifting?

Your reply doesn't really make any sense in relation to what you are replying to. Are you sure you know what is happening in the quoted case?

[Elwher]

If a 17-year-old commits a crime, we are disposed to go more lightly on them because the decision-making part of the brain is not fully developed yet. Is this not as serious a matter as shoplifting?

Your reply doesn't really make any sense in relation to what you are replying to. Are you sure you know what is happening in the quoted case?

It is not necessarily about the specific case, but the concept of sufficient maturity and the legal system. If a 17-year-old is not sufficiently mature to understand the consequences of shoplifting, is one sufficiently mature to understand the consequences of an abortion?

[Necroghastia]

Your reply doesn't really make any sense in relation to what you are replying to. Are you sure you know what is happening in the quoted case?

It is not necessarily about the specific case, but the concept of sufficient maturity and the legal system. If a 17-year-old is not sufficiently mature to understand the consequences of shoplifting, is one sufficiently mature to understand the consequences of an abortion?

...I think it would be obvious that the consequences of an abortion are far, far simpler to understand than the consequences of fucking childbirth. Good grief.

[Spirit of Hope]

Your reply doesn't really make any sense in relation to what you are replying to. Are you sure you know what is happening in the quoted case?

It is not necessarily about the specific case, but the concept of sufficient maturity and the legal system. If a 17-year-old is not sufficiently mature to understand the consequences of shoplifting, is one sufficiently mature to understand the consequences of an abortion?

If one is not sufficiently mature to understand shoplifting is one sufficiently mature to have a child? Absent some extraordinary evidence I don't see it often being the case that a person can get pregnant and not have the capacity to choose to get an abortion.

[ImperialRussia]

Once again Science provides the answer Instead abortions babies can be provided with Synthetic wombs to provide the populace with healthy productive citizens. Providing artificial wombs might be an answer to abortions.