[Abortion Thread] (POLL 4) A compromising position...

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

We could also go back to declaring Untermenschen 3/5th of a human being again and repeal everything before the 1st amendment.
So... about that chattel slavery...

You know that it was the Southern slave owners who wanted to count slaves as a whole person right?

uh do i look like i care?

[Sundiata]

Relax, we're going to be okay. Whatever legislative move happens you and I are people with good intentions.

Good for you, slavery to women.

Every woman is good.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Good for you, slavery to women.

Every woman is good.

An absolutely meaningless statement.

[Sundiata]

Every woman is good.

An absolutely meaningless statement.

Society does not do enough for women.

[Arlenton]

You know that it was the Southern slave owners who wanted to count slaves as a whole person right?

uh do i look like i care?

I assumed so, since you were bringing it up by comparing anti-slave power Northerners to Nazis for some reason.

[Spirit of Hope]

Yeah, prioritizing winning over democracy leads to authoritarianism and dictatorships. Not something I'm ok with, but the Republicans appear to love it.

Like I said. Starkly different priorities and views on how the governments of this country should function.

And what gives you a right to dictate to the majority of the country how they should live their lives?

[Neanderthaland]

An absolutely meaningless statement.

Society does not do enough for women.

And you want it to do less.

[Sundiata]

We could also go back to declaring Untermenschen 3/5th of a human being again and repeal everything before the 1st amendment.
So... about that chattel slavery...

You know that it was the Southern slave owners who wanted to count slaves as a whole person right?

Tell us why.

[Sundiata]

Society does not do enough for women.

And you want it to do less.

I want it to do more; there's serious issues that women experience in the world and we can address them without abortion.

[Neanderthaland]

And you want it to do less.

I want it to do more.

You can say it all you like, but you're restricting women's rights and limiting their reproductive choice.

So you're objectively lying.

[Esalia]

And you want it to do less.

I want it to do more.

You want it to let women die if they happen to have a non-viable pregnancy that will kill them if they don't get an abortion.

That does not sound like "more".

[Arlenton]

Like I said. Starkly different priorities and views on how the governments of this country should function.

And what gives you a right to dictate to the majority of the country how they should live their lives?

Because other groups are trying to do the exact same against my interests. So there is no choice but to politically resist and retaliate.

[Arlenton]

You know that it was the Southern slave owners who wanted to count slaves as a whole person right?

Tell us why.

More electoral votes and congressional seats for Southern states.

[Spirit of Hope]

And what gives you a right to dictate to the majority of the country how they should live their lives?

Because other groups are trying to do the exact same against my interests. So there is no choice but to politically resist and retaliate.

Since this is the abortion thread, who is forcing you to get an abortion?

[Neutraligon]

Good for you, slavery to women.

Every woman is good.

Jane Toppan

[Sundiata]

I want it to do more.

You can say it all you like, but you're restricting women's rights and limiting their reproductive choice.

So you're objectively lying.

I don't think that anyone has any right to an abortion. Abortion is not simply a woman's issue. It's an issue of killing.

[Arlenton]

Because other groups are trying to do the exact same against my interests. So there is no choice but to politically resist and retaliate.

Since this is the abortion thread, who is forcing you to get an abortion?

No one. But there are people currently, as in it is currently the law now, using federal power that is forcing state policy on abortion.

[Spirit of Hope]

You can say it all you like, but you're restricting women's rights and limiting their reproductive choice.

So you're objectively lying.

I don't think that anyone has any right to an abortion. Abortion is not simply a woman's issue. It's an issue of killing.

Why does the fetus get the right to steal a women's body?

Second, who is being killed in the 99% of abortions that take place before the fetus even has a brain?

Since this is the abortion thread, who is forcing you to get an abortion?

No one. But there are people currently, as in it is currently the law now, using federal power that is forcing state policy on abortion.

Right, forcing the states to let women have abortions. No one is forcing anyone to have abortions though. So no one is actually forcing you to do anything you don't want to do, they are just not letting you force other people to do something they don't want to do.

So again, why should you be able to dictate if someone else can or can't have an abortion?

[Sundiata]

Tell us why.

More electoral votes and congressional seats for Southern states.

Because the southern states wanted to maintain slavery.

[Neutraligon]

Since this is the abortion thread, who is forcing you to get an abortion?

No one. But there are people currently, as in it is currently the law now, using federal power that is forcing state policy on abortion.

Correct, they are forcing states to allow women the choice. No one in federal power is mandating women get an abortion.

[Neanderthaland]

You can say it all you like, but you're restricting women's rights and limiting their reproductive choice.

So you're objectively lying.

I don't think that anyone has any right to an abortion.

Except for the incredibly convoluted, sterilizing abortions that you advocate. The ones that are objectively worse in every way than normal abortions.

Abortion is not simply a woman's issue.

Somehow I don't think you're being "woke" about transgender issues here. So taken at face value: you're just wrong. Men don't get abortions. Men don't need abortions.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Why does the fetus get the right to steal a women's body?

Because it's arguably a living person at that stage and not just a group of cells.

[Sundiata]

Why does the fetus get the right to steal a women's body?

Rape is the more pressing problem.

Second, who is being killed in the 99% of abortions that take place before the fetus even has a brain?

The embryo, that human being.

[Arlenton]

No one. But there are people currently, as in it is currently the law now, using federal power that is forcing state policy on abortion.

Correct, they are forcing states to allow women the choice. No one in federal power is mandating women get an abortion.

And the point is?

[Neutraligon]

Why does the fetus get the right to steal a women's body?

Because it's arguably a living person at that stage and not just a group of cells.

Then argue for it.