[Abortion Thread] (POLL 4) A compromising position...

[Neutraligon]

As I said the issue isn't Roe in it of itself destroying the rule of law. The problem is if people believe that the courts are not impartial, but politically motivated, they will stop using courts for conflict resolution. This can create a lot of problems.

To repeat, I don't think repealing Roe is going to immediately lead to this. I am however worried that Republicans mounting a decades long attempt to get Judges on SCOTUS to overrule Roe will cause the court to become more political, and cause people to view it as less impartial. It doesn't even mater if the court is becoming less impartial, even people thinking it is less impartial can cause problems.

As to the point about hypocrisy, please point to a precedent that has been around as long and is as impactful that the court then overturned that you don't see me complaining about. I've complained about the court in other cases where they ignored precedent or made what I feel are bad calls in the past. In general I believe that the US does need to do some house cleaning and update our constitution to incorporate how our nation has changed in 200 years and better understandings of political science, but that is not a discussion for this thread. Honestly at this point we have wandered rather far from abortion so I'm going to stop the conversation here. If you want to keep it up I'm active over in the American politics thread.

How about Brown v Board overturning Plessy v Ferguson?

Actually had a large number of cases that slowly changed the precedent.

[Spirit of Hope]

How about Brown v Board overturning Plessy v Ferguson?

Actually had a large number of cases that slowly changed the precedent.

Not to mention the original ruling was "separate but equal" and everyone promptly went around actually doing "separate and unequal." Which formed part of the justification for Brown v Board.

I will also note there is a difference between giving people rights (right to be treated equally in the case of Brown v Board) and taking away a right (the right to an abortion in the case of reversing Row).

[Fauzjhia]

Actually had a large number of cases that slowly changed the precedent.

Not to mention the original ruling was "separate but equal" and everyone promptly went around actually doing "separate and unequal." Which formed part of the justification for Brown v Board.

I will also note there is a difference between giving people rights (right to be treated equally in the case of Brown v Board) and taking away a right (the right to an abortion in the case of reversing Row).

pro-life people do not believe abortion is a right, so they do not see reversing Roe vs Wade as taking away a right.

[Spirit of Hope]

Not to mention the original ruling was "separate but equal" and everyone promptly went around actually doing "separate and unequal." Which formed part of the justification for Brown v Board.

I will also note there is a difference between giving people rights (right to be treated equally in the case of Brown v Board) and taking away a right (the right to an abortion in the case of reversing Row).

pro-life people do not believe abortion is a right, so they do not see reversing Roe vs Wade as taking away a right.

As the law stands right now people have the right to get an abortion. By overturning Roe you are taking that right away. That is all fact. You may not believe that there should be a right to have an abortion, but that does not change the reality that as the law currently is people have that right.

[Sundiata]

Roe v Wade might finally be gone in the United States. The only way to stop this is to pass a federal abortion law which the Democrats in Congress won't do. if the Supreme Court gets rid of Roe v Wade, abortion will be legal on a state by state basis. It will be on Republicans to pass a federal ban on abortion.

You are as always welcome to emigrate to the hellhole of Paraguay and take your bedfellows with you.

Relax, we're going to be okay. Whatever legislative move happens you and I are people with good intentions.

Roe v Wade might finally be gone in the United States. The only way to stop this is to pass a federal abortion law which the Democrats in Congress won't do. if the Supreme Court gets rid of Roe v Wade abortion will be legal on a state by state basis.

The US is truly barbaric when the rights of millions of women hinge on the whims of a few unelected aristocrats of the state.

It's not an easy change, not an easy change at all.

Roe v Wade might finally be gone in the United States. The only way to stop this is to pass a federal abortion law which the Democrats in Congress won't do. If the Supreme Court gets rid of Roe v Wade, abortion will be legal on a state by state basis. It will be on Republicans to pass a federal ban on abortion.

Time to hire a Dutch boat and sail out to the Gulf of Mexico.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_on_Waves

I think that the United States is headed in a direction never seen before in the last few decades.

Roe v Wade might finally be gone in the United States. The only way to stop this is to pass a federal abortion law which the Democrats in Congress won't do. If the Supreme Court gets rid of Roe v Wade, abortion will be legal on a state by state basis. It will be on Republicans to pass a federal ban on abortion.

Canada's about to get a big wave of tourists, overwhelmingly female in nature.

Maybe,.

[Spirit of Hope]

You are as always welcome to emigrate to the hellhole of Paraguay and take your bedfellows with you.

Relax, we're going to be okay. Whatever legislative move happens you and I are people with good intentions.

I believe the road to hell is paved with those.

[All Wild Things]

Relax, we're going to be okay. Whatever legislative move happens you and I are people with good intentions.

I believe the road to hell is paved with those.

This is General. Aren't you supposed to provide links to evidence for statements like that?

[Fauzjhia]

pro-life people do not believe abortion is a right, so they do not see reversing Roe vs Wade as taking away a right.

As the law stands right now people have the right to get an abortion. By overturning Roe you are taking that right away. That is all fact. You may not believe that there should be a right to have an abortion, but that does not change the reality that as the law currently is people have that right.

I am pro-choice
I simply explain you how pro-life people view abortion, they view it as a crime, as a murder. They do not understand that abortion is right or do not want to understand.

I have no doubt abortion is going back to be illegal, to back-alley abortions, because I doubt the conservative justice (which should never be a thing. A judge should be impartial, apolitical) view abortion as a right.

[Venmere]

As the law stands right now people have the right to get an abortion. By overturning Roe you are taking that right away. That is all fact. You may not believe that there should be a right to have an abortion, but that does not change the reality that as the law currently is people have that right.

I am pro-choice
I simply explain you how pro-life people view abortion, they view it as a crime, as a murder. They do not understand that abortion is right or do not want to understand.

I have no doubt abortion is going back to be illegal, to back-alley abortions, because I doubt the conservative justice (which should never be a thing. A judge should be impartial, apolitical) view abortion as a right.

It all just comes down to whether you value sex or a child's life more. If you just want to have sex with no consequences, then kill the baby. If you want to preserve the sanctity of human life, don't get an abortion.

[The New California Republic]

I am pro-choice
I simply explain you how pro-life people view abortion, they view it as a crime, as a murder. They do not understand that abortion is right or do not want to understand.

I have no doubt abortion is going back to be illegal, to back-alley abortions, because I doubt the conservative justice (which should never be a thing. A judge should be impartial, apolitical) view abortion as a right.

It all just comes down to whether you value sex or a child's life more. If you just want to have sex with no consequences, then kill the baby. If you want to preserve the sanctity of human life, don't get an abortion.

A fetus is neither a child nor a baby.

[Venmere]

It all just comes down to whether you value sex or a child's life more. If you just want to have sex with no consequences, then kill the baby. If you want to preserve the sanctity of human life, don't get an abortion.

A fetus is neither a child nor a baby.

Then what is it? It is a growing, evolving, changing thing that requires nutrients to survive. If it isn't a child, then what is it?

[Fauzjhia]

A fetus is neither a child nor a baby.

Then what is it? It is a growing, evolving, changing thing that requires nutrients to survive. If it isn't a child, then what is it?

pregnancy does not always end-up in birth.
so a fetus does not always become a person, even if all persons where once fetuses.

[Venmere]

Then what is it? It is a growing, evolving, changing thing that requires nutrients to survive. If it isn't a child, then what is it?

pregnancy does not always end-up in birth.
so a fetus does not always become a person, even if all persons where once fetuses.

So if you die, you weren't a person, because just because every person who died was a human, it doesn't mean all humans will die?

[The New California Republic]

A fetus is neither a child nor a baby.

Then what is it? It is a growing, evolving, changing thing that requires nutrients to survive. If it isn't a child, then what is it?

A fetus is a fetus. It's pretty simple...

[New haven america]

I am pro-choice
I simply explain you how pro-life people view abortion, they view it as a crime, as a murder. They do not understand that abortion is right or do not want to understand.

I have no doubt abortion is going back to be illegal, to back-alley abortions, because I doubt the conservative justice (which should never be a thing. A judge should be impartial, apolitical) view abortion as a right.

It all just comes down to whether you value sex or a child's life more. If you just want to have sex with no consequences, then kill the baby. If you want to preserve the sanctity of human life, don't get an abortion.

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=491265&p=39189617#p39189617

[Fauzjhia]

pregnancy does not always end-up in birth.
so a fetus does not always become a person, even if all persons where once fetuses.

So if you die, you weren't a person, because just because every person who died was a human, it doesn't mean all humans will die?

if you die, you are not longer a person, you are a corpse.
And all humans will die.

don't equate birth, pregnancy with death.

[Diahon]

A fetus is neither a child nor a baby.

Then what is it? It is a growing, evolving, changing thing that requires nutrients to survive. If it isn't a child, then what is it?

cancer?

not saying fetuses are cancer, but cancers do grow and change form over time, and do require nutrients to do so

i mean

[Neanderthaland]

A fetus is neither a child nor a baby.

Then what is it? It is a growing, evolving, changing thing that requires nutrients to survive. If it isn't a child, then what is it?

That describes literally all forms of life.

[Necroghastia]

A fetus is neither a child nor a baby.

Then what is it? It is a growing, evolving, changing thing that requires nutrients to survive. If it isn't a child, then what is it?

A growing evolving changing thing that requires nutrients to survive is a child...?

Behold, a child.

[Neanderthaland]

Then what is it? It is a growing, evolving, changing thing that requires nutrients to survive. If it isn't a child, then what is it?

A growing evolving changing thing that requires nutrients to survive is a child...?

Behold, a child.

Fuck. Yours is better.

[HISPIDA]

Then what is it? It is a growing, evolving, changing thing that requires nutrients to survive. If it isn't a child, then what is it?

A growing evolving changing thing that requires nutrients to survive is a child...?

Behold, a child.

diogenes, for the last time, we've been over this.

[Spirit of Hope]

A growing evolving changing thing that requires nutrients to survive is a child...?

Behold, a child.

diogenes, for the last time, we've been over this.

Furiously plucks a chicken.

I am pro-choice
I simply explain you how pro-life people view abortion, they view it as a crime, as a murder. They do not understand that abortion is right or do not want to understand.

I have no doubt abortion is going back to be illegal, to back-alley abortions, because I doubt the conservative justice (which should never be a thing. A judge should be impartial, apolitical) view abortion as a right.

It all just comes down to whether you value sex or a child's life more. If you just want to have sex with no consequences, then kill the baby. If you want to preserve the sanctity of human life, don't get an abortion.

First no person gets to use the body of another person without the consent of the host. Doesn't mater if its a blood transfusion, a kidney transplant, or a pregnancy, you don't get to use someone's body without their ongoing consent. So if a person decides to remove that consent then you don't get to keep using their body. A fetus is no different.

Second a fetus does not have the requisite brain structure to be considered a person until about the 21 week mark, at which point something like 99% of abortions will have occurred. This distinction doesn't mater much because of point 1.

[Genivaria]

Poland is a fucking dystopian shithole

Poland plans to set up register of pregnancies to report miscarriages

https://www.theguardian.com/global-deve ... scarriages

[New haven america]

Poland is a fucking dystopian shithole

Poland plans to set up register of pregnancies to report miscarriages

https://www.theguardian.com/global-deve ... scarriages

lol, I remember a few years ago that a couple of the right-wing users tried saying that Poland was the freest and economically fastest growing country in the EU under its current regime.

We're seeing how that's turning out.

[The Caleshan Valkyrie]

Poland is a fucking dystopian shithole

Poland plans to set up register of pregnancies to report miscarriages

https://www.theguardian.com/global-deve ... scarriages

Gestate-tapo