Vassenor wrote:So if women are to be required to give birth in the US are they still going to be charged six figure sums for the birth?
Especially if they want to hold their new child after delivery.
Without a doubt.
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by GENSOC » Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:21 am
Vassenor wrote:So if women are to be required to give birth in the US are they still going to be charged six figure sums for the birth?
Especially if they want to hold their new child after delivery.
by Restored England » Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:29 am
by Rifts Earth » Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:42 am
Spirit of Hope wrote:Elwher wrote:
Perhaps not over half, but Obergefell v. Hodges overturning Baker v. Nelson might qualify as might West Coast Hotel v. Parrish, which overturned Lochner v. New York and Adkins v. Children's Hospital, allowing minimum wage and weekly hours legislation to proceed.
Obergefell was a SCOTUS decision, Baker was a state court one. The difference was if gay marriage was a federal issue, which it had become because some states were allowing it and others were not. This was not the case in Baker.
Coast Hotel is a better example, but happened a decade after the initial decision and not 40+.Arlenton wrote:Caetano v. Massachusetts of 2016 overruled a 1939 ruling, United States v. Miller, that said certain firearms, in this case I think it was some form of shotgun, aren't protected under the 2nd Amendment. Caetano v. Massachusetts extended the 2nd Amendment to "all forms of bearable arms", overruling the 1939 ruling on an issue that changed a major right for the entire population.
It narrowly expanded an already existing right. Not a great comparison.
Also Miller was a shit decision since the Plantif didn't make a legal argument since he nor his lawyer were present for the case.
Also if SCOTUS overturns Roe by deciding that the right to privacy doesn't exist it threatens for more than abortion rights, but also allow states to ban contraceptives and sodomy.
by Limonovshchina » Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:53 am
Rifts Earth wrote:Spirit of Hope wrote:Obergefell was a SCOTUS decision, Baker was a state court one. The difference was if gay marriage was a federal issue, which it had become because some states were allowing it and others were not. This was not the case in Baker.
Coast Hotel is a better example, but happened a decade after the initial decision and not 40+.
It narrowly expanded an already existing right. Not a great comparison.
Also Miller was a shit decision since the Plantif didn't make a legal argument since he nor his lawyer were present for the case.
Also if SCOTUS overturns Roe by deciding that the right to privacy doesn't exist it threatens for more than abortion rights, but also allow states to ban contraceptives and sodomy.
Excellent.
None of those things were ever "rights," save in the sense that owning black people was a "right" back in 1800.
by The Alma Mater » Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:15 pm
Rifts Earth wrote:Spirit of Hope wrote:Obergefell was a SCOTUS decision, Baker was a state court one. The difference was if gay marriage was a federal issue, which it had become because some states were allowing it and others were not. This was not the case in Baker.
Coast Hotel is a better example, but happened a decade after the initial decision and not 40+.
It narrowly expanded an already existing right. Not a great comparison.
Also Miller was a shit decision since the Plantif didn't make a legal argument since he nor his lawyer were present for the case.
Also if SCOTUS overturns Roe by deciding that the right to privacy doesn't exist it threatens for more than abortion rights, but also allow states to ban contraceptives and sodomy.
Excellent.
None of those things were ever "rights," save in the sense that owning black people was a "right" back in 1800.
by Thermodolia » Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:27 pm
Vassenor wrote:So if women are to be required to give birth in the US are they still going to be charged six figure sums for the birth?
Especially if they want to hold their new child after delivery.
by Rifts Earth » Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:34 pm
The Alma Mater wrote:Rifts Earth wrote:
Excellent.
None of those things were ever "rights," save in the sense that owning black people was a "right" back in 1800.
It also allows forced organ and blood harvesting. Which I am not against myself; but most "pro-life" people in this topic tend to believe only women have a duty to offer the use of their body to save lives.
by Fauzjhia » Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:48 pm
Thermodolia wrote:Vassenor wrote:So if women are to be required to give birth in the US are they still going to be charged six figure sums for the birth?
Especially if they want to hold their new child after delivery.
Unfortunately yes. Though we should be providing free healthcare, prevention and rehabilitation for criminals, and killing the death penalty as that’s truely pro life but the current pro life movement is run by a bunch of people who think free healthcare is evil, locking up people is good for their pockets, and that state sanctioned murder is just fine
by Rifts Earth » Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:15 pm
Fauzjhia wrote:the pro-life is not in favor of life. its about moralisation
by Limonovshchina » Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:18 pm
Rifts Earth wrote:Fauzjhia wrote:the pro-life is not in favor of life. its about moralisation
False. I see our society engages in mass murder on a scale that dwarves that of even the worst of the fascists. That is why I am pro life. I don't want to shove women back into the kitchen. I just want them to stop hiring hitmen to murder their own flesh and blood.
by American Legionaries » Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:22 pm
Limonovshchina wrote:Rifts Earth wrote:False. I see our society engages in mass murder on a scale that dwarves that of even the worst of the fascists. That is why I am pro life. I don't want to shove women back into the kitchen. I just want them to stop hiring hitmen to murder their own flesh and blood.
Murder would apply only if the victim is a person, which a fetus is not.
by Isles of Eamhna » Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:22 pm
Rifts Earth wrote:I see our society engages in mass murder on a scale that dwarves that of even the worst of the fascists. That is why I am pro life. I don't want to shove women back into the kitchen. I just want them to stop hiring hitmen to murder their own flesh and blood.
by Restored England » Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:23 pm
by Vassenor » Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:24 pm
Rifts Earth wrote:Fauzjhia wrote:the pro-life is not in favor of life. its about moralisation
False. I see our society engages in mass murder on a scale that dwarves that of even the worst of the fascists. That is why I am pro life. I don't want to shove women back into the kitchen. I just want them to stop hiring hitmen to murder their own flesh and blood.
by Isles of Eamhna » Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:26 pm
Restored England wrote:Since we aren't certain when fetus becomes a person
by Limonovshchina » Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:26 pm
Restored England wrote:Since we aren't certain when fetus becomes a person
by The New California Republic » Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:26 pm
Rifts Earth wrote:Fauzjhia wrote:the pro-life is not in favor of life. its about moralisation
False. I see our society engages in mass murder on a scale that dwarves that of even the worst of the fascists. That is why I am pro life. I don't want to shove women back into the kitchen. I just want them to stop hiring hitmen to murder their own flesh and blood.
by American Legionaries » Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:28 pm
by The New California Republic » Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:29 pm
by Fauzjhia » Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:31 pm
by Limonovshchina » Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:33 pm
by Restored England » Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:34 pm
Fauzjhia wrote:American Legionaries wrote:
That just like, your opinion man.
pregnancy does not always end with birth
Are we going to claim that Miscarriage is an accidental homicide.
and once women gives birth, where is the Pro-life care for life ? healthcare right, protection from pollution and etc.
its nowhere because pro-life is about moralization, not protecting life.
by Fauzjhia » Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:36 pm
Restored England wrote:Fauzjhia wrote:
pregnancy does not always end with birth
Are we going to claim that Miscarriage is an accidental homicide.
and once women gives birth, where is the Pro-life care for life ? healthcare right, protection from pollution and etc.
its nowhere because pro-life is about moralization, not protecting life.
Current American laws often see women arrested and jailed for having miscarriages. No joke, dudes. I'm somewhat red-pilled on some issues, but not enough to advocate policies that jail a woman for something that her own body does to her without consulting her.
by American Legionaries » Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:37 pm
by Restored England » Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:38 pm
Fauzjhia wrote:Restored England wrote:
Current American laws often see women arrested and jailed for having miscarriages. No joke, dudes. I'm somewhat red-pilled on some issues, but not enough to advocate policies that jail a woman for something that her own body does to her without consulting her.
Woah, I really though the laws where a bit more comprehensive.
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