[Abortion Thread] (POLL 4) A compromising position...

[Doniport]

so um...
Numbers 5 basically tells a cheating wife how to purposefully miscarry a baby
I'm just gonna throw it out there

[Apotheosis Pandemonium]

scientists have run calculations that there should be around 36 prosperous alien civilizations in our galaxy

OH BOY, now we're talking. Creationist, and ancient aliens!
dis gun be good.

Ancient Alien is an atheist show the stuff that come out of Alex jones mouth is far more believable

[Apotheosis Pandemonium]

I do agree with you about abortion being immoral as long as the mother's life is not in danger or there was not a case of rape.

However, I think it shouldn't be outlawed. Because those who want to abort will still abort and if abortion is illegal it means they will do illegally in a kind of places which are not suitable for such operation which can lead to the death of the mother or the abortion will be done wrongly and the woman won't be able to get pregnant anymore. Therefore, to avoid that I believe it shouldn't be outlawed. But, in my opinion, if a woman decides to abort, first they must be talked to by someone who unbiasedly will help them decide whether abortion is really the best thing to do in their situation and tell them what abortion actually means and about all the possible consequences of it.

Thanks for your opinion your probably the most rational one here

[The Alma Mater]

I do agree with you about abortion being immoral as long as the mother's life is not in danger or there was not a case of rape.

However, I think it shouldn't be outlawed. Because those who want to abort will still abort and if abortion is illegal it means they will do illegally in a kind of places which are not suitable for such operation which can lead to the death of the mother or the abortion will be done wrongly and the woman won't be able to get pregnant anymore. Therefore, to avoid that I believe it shouldn't be outlawed. But, in my opinion, if a woman decides to abort, first they must be talked to by someone who unbiasedly will help them decide whether abortion is really the best thing to do in their situation and tell them what abortion actually means and about all the possible consequences of it.

Thanks for your opinion your probably the most rational one here

Nah, the most rational one was "read the 300+ page thread filled with sources, research and philosophy if you want an actual discussion".

[The eternal swedish empire]

This forum does nothing but argue
None of this discution is good.its just fighting without a reason

[Disgraces]

It's just a fetus that isn't sentient. Who cares if it dies

[Apotheosis Pandemonium]

So they have some form of sentience at that point

They don’t.

ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19092726/

[Apotheosis Pandemonium]

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Nah, the most rational one was "read the 300+ page thread filled with sources, research and philosophy if you want an actual discussion".[/quote]

can you please link this to me I want to see this thread you keep talking about

[The Reformed American Republic]

I don't like either side in this debate.

[Neutraligon]

Merged 2 threads

[Haganham]

My question is; where are you people finding these women who are willing carry a pregnancy through to the third trimester and then decide they want an abortion?

The main reason that abortions are carried out at that point is because either the fetus has some significant abnormality that means it will likely not survive and such, or there is an imminent risk to the woman's life posed by the pregnancy continuing, so in other words they are not elective abortions.

Not what i'm talking about. Since when do we say that someone doing something in order to not die, or because it's going to happen anyway; something they want? It's pretty much universally accepted, even among prolifers, that abortion of nonviable fetuses, or to save the life of the mother, are acceptable. So why is so much talk about abortion devoted to a situation that basically never occurs, elective third trimester abortions?

I think it's because the debate about abortion really has nothing at all to do with abortion. It's a legal debate, "when do people become persons?", that is really a proxy for a religious debate, "when do people get souls?". Medically, when someone is alive is a settled question. It's when their brain is functioning.

[The eternal swedish empire]

Merged 2 threads

Didn't know thats posible
Oh well nice i guess

[Limonovshchina]

So they have some form of sentience at that point

They don’t.

ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19092726/

Irrelevant. It's part of the mother's body and so it's the mother's call if she wants it cut off no matter how long it's been in the womb. All else is hysterical, moralistic screeching.

I don't like either side in this debate.

I'm sure you can still take one. I doubt this issue has any sort of enlightened centrist position to be had aside from illegal with a lot of exceptions.

[The Caleshan Valkyrie]

I believe abortions if the two people had consent or had consent and they accidentally have a newborn baby as long as the mother's life is not at risk should be outlawed. However, if there is a r*pe of incest case they should have until the baby's heartbeat kicks in to get .an abortion same as the first one if the mother's life is in danger they should be able to get it whenever but the earlier the better. There that's my take

NOW
CHANGE MY MIND IF YOU DISAGREE

Hard to change one’s mind about morals, considering they’re a subjective value judgement.

I will however point out that many of the pro choicers on this thread do not approve of abortion themselves, but accept that abortion should be freely available, while advocating for measures that are proven to reduce abortions more than any ban while still leaving the right to choose unhindered.

Now, outlawing abortion is logically inconsistent under many of the bases that the pro-life crowd has set forward. It would be more consistent, effective, and cheaper to see to the policies mentioned in the previous paragraph.

The question then becomes: which is more ‘moral’? Banning it outright, or ensuring that the factors that lead to it being felt necessary are fully addressed (thereby reducing it without a ban)?

[Apotheosis Pandemonium]

Merged 2 threads

oh i thought my thread got deleted thanks I guess is more organized

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I doubt this issue has any sort of enlightened centrist position to be had aside from illegal with a lot of exceptions.

Nope there is no "enlightened" "centrist" position between the enslavement of women to their biological functions and liberty. And if one finds themselves in the former camp I would like to introduce them to General William T. Sherman.

[Apotheosis Pandemonium]

My moral compass

follow the bible
Calling ICE on people who are undocumented is justified
Abortion is immoral
p*rn is for degenerates
prostitution makes you a slut
help others
treat others with respect even if they disagree with you

[The Caleshan Valkyrie]

My moral compass

follow the bible
Call ICE on people who are undocumented
Abortion is immoral
p*rn is for degenerates
prostitution makes you a slut

That’s not really a moral compass. It’s mostly just a declaration of things you believe, most of which are irrelevant to the discussion.

And misogynistic. Why’d ya need to censor the word porn? It’s not a curseword.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Why are we getting so many little wannabe tyrants lately

[The New California Republic]

The main reason that abortions are carried out at that point is because either the fetus has some significant abnormality that means it will likely not survive and such, or there is an imminent risk to the woman's life posed by the pregnancy continuing, so in other words they are not elective abortions.

Not what i'm talking about. Since when do we say that someone doing something in order to not die, or because it's going to happen anyway; something they want? It's pretty much universally accepted, even among prolifers, that abortion of nonviable fetuses, or to save the life of the mother, are acceptable.

No it really isn't. There have been many instances in these threads whereby pro-lifers have taken an absolute no abortions position.

[Apotheosis Pandemonium]

My moral compass

follow the bible
Call ICE on people who are undocumented
Abortion is immoral
p*rn is for degenerates
prostitution makes you a slut

That’s not really a moral compass. It’s mostly just a declaration of things you believe, most of which are irrelevant to the discussion.

And misogynistic. Why’d ya need to censor the word porn? It’s not a curseword.

sex work is not a real profession and makes you a menace to society i should not have to walk down a ally way and see someone giving head also its human trafficking

also i censored it because im not sure how strict there rules are just starting posting today

[Vassenor]

That’s not really a moral compass. It’s mostly just a declaration of things you believe, most of which are irrelevant to the discussion.

And misogynistic. Why’d ya need to censor the word porn? It’s not a curseword.

sex work is not a real profession and makes you a menace to society i should not have to walk down a ally way and see someone giving head also its human trafficking

also i censored it because im not sure how strict there rules are just starting posting today

Menace to society how?

Also you know what ends trafficking? Proper regulation of the industry.

[The Caleshan Valkyrie]

That’s not really a moral compass. It’s mostly just a declaration of things you believe, most of which are irrelevant to the discussion.

And misogynistic. Why’d ya need to censor the word porn? It’s not a curseword.

sex work is not a real profession and makes you a menace to society i should not have to walk down a ally way and see someone giving head also its human trafficking

also i censored it because im not sure how strict there rules are just starting posting today

Prostitution is not the point of this thread. Please stay on topic.

Curse words are fine. Derailing is not.

[Apotheosis Pandemonium]

do i really have to explain why prostitution is bad the women who do it are probably broke which is said but i mean come one go work at MCDONALDS!

[Apotheosis Pandemonium]

sex work is not a real profession and makes you a menace to society i should not have to walk down a ally way and see someone giving head also its human trafficking

also i censored it because im not sure how strict there rules are just starting posting today

Prostitution is not the point of this thread. Please stay on topic.

Curse words are fine. Derailing is not.

sorry ill keep more on topic If i should want to tak about it its best to make a new thread