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What would you consider to be the best 'compromise'?

Reduce abortions with welfare supports / other non-invasive measures, leave access untouched.
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Set conditions under which abortions can be accessed.
83
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Allow free access, under a given time limit.
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Allow free access, but give men an option to excuse themselves from child support.
40
10%
HELL WITH COMPROMISE, IT'S MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY!
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21%
Look out! They're here! Pink Elephants on Parade! Here they come, hippity hoppity!
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Postby Northern Connecticut » Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:57 am

Ifreann wrote:
Northern Connecticut wrote:ANd that's just the stuff I had time to post.

We're gonna take your guns, spread communism, and blast Cardi B in your churches.


Your being sarcastic. And I don't own guns.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:01 am

Northern Connecticut wrote:
Ifreann wrote:We're gonna take your guns, spread communism, and blast Cardi B in your churches.


Your being sarcastic. And I don't own guns.


Not sarcasm.

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Postby Northern Connecticut » Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:07 am

Im done threadjacking this thread now. Back to abortion.

Abortion is bad. As I said yesterday.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:08 am

Northern Connecticut wrote:Abortion is bad. As I said yesterday.


Most people agree that it's 'bad'. That's not really the question.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:10 am

Northern Connecticut wrote:Im done threadjacking this thread now. Back to abortion.

Abortion is bad. As I said yesterday.


I mean, yeah, abortion is awful but there's a pretty wide corpus of evidence that outlawing it does nothing to prevent the practice and only serves to make it more dangerous. It's not something you can really prevent.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:18 am

Northern Connecticut wrote:Im done threadjacking this thread now. Back to abortion.

Abortion is bad. As I said yesterday.

Abortion is good. It's great that people can exercise conscious, thoughtful control over their reproduction instead of being stuck in a situation they don't want because of biology. Fuck biology, the flesh is weak, all my homies hate the flesh.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:26 am

Northern Connecticut wrote:Im done threadjacking this thread now. Back to abortion.

Abortion is bad. As I said yesterday.

So will you castrate yourself to make certain you never cause one ?
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Finally. it's time conservative state show us their true colors on women's right
we already know they don't care at all. no need to hide it.
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Postby The Caleshan Valkyrie » Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:31 am

Northern Connecticut wrote:Im done threadjacking this thread now. Back to abortion.

Abortion is bad. As I said yesterday.


Abortion is something very similar to self-defense. It should not be plan A, but it is a necessary thing if we wish to ensure that people can protect themselves from being forced into actions they do not wish to take. Killing another in self-defense is not something that anyone in their right mind would look forward to, and the same is true of abortion.

But most conservatives are eager to defend the right to defend oneself and their property with lethal force. What is more fundamentally one’s own property than one’s own body?
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The Caleshan Valkyrie wrote:
Northern Connecticut wrote:Im done threadjacking this thread now. Back to abortion.

Abortion is bad. As I said yesterday.


Abortion is something very similar to self-defense. It should not be plan A, but it is a necessary thing if we wish to ensure that people can protect themselves from being forced into actions they do not wish to take. Killing another in self-defense is not something that anyone in their right mind would look forward to, and the same is true of abortion.

But most conservatives are eager to defend the right to defend oneself and their property with lethal force. What is more fundamentally one’s own property than one’s own body?

The far-right has even co-opted the 'my body my choice' slogan to defend antimaskers while still spitting on women's automony.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:17 pm

The Caleshan Valkyrie wrote:
Northern Connecticut wrote:Im done threadjacking this thread now. Back to abortion.

Abortion is bad. As I said yesterday.


Abortion is something very similar to self-defense. It should not be plan A, but it is a necessary thing if we wish to ensure that people can protect themselves from being forced into actions they do not wish to take. Killing another in self-defense is not something that anyone in their right mind would look forward to, and the same is true of abortion.

But most conservatives are eager to defend the right to defend oneself and their property with lethal force. What is more fundamentally one’s own property than one’s own body?


I am curious if it makes a difference to Texas lawmakers if the babydaddy is black or white; especially when the mom is the latter.
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:20 pm

Thepeopl wrote:https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/we-ve-been-preparing-post-roe-world-ripples-texas-abortion-n1279462

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Postby Godular » Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:21 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
The Caleshan Valkyrie wrote:
Abortion is something very similar to self-defense. It should not be plan A, but it is a necessary thing if we wish to ensure that people can protect themselves from being forced into actions they do not wish to take. Killing another in self-defense is not something that anyone in their right mind would look forward to, and the same is true of abortion.

But most conservatives are eager to defend the right to defend oneself and their property with lethal force. What is more fundamentally one’s own property than one’s own body?


I am curious if it makes a difference to Texas lawmakers if the babydaddy is black or white; especially when the mom is the latter.


I doubt they think about it with that level of depth.
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Postby Autumn Wind » Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:05 pm

With regards to the Texas law, are there any limitations on the number of plaintiffs per defendant?

I mean, the law states that if someone gets an abortion, the driver can be sued, and the plaintiff can win $10K in damages. If 100 people successively sued the driver, would the driver be on the hook for $1M? Or is it a first-come-first-served sort of thing?
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Postby Godular » Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:47 pm

Autumn Wind wrote:With regards to the Texas law, are there any limitations on the number of plaintiffs per defendant?

I mean, the law states that if someone gets an abortion, the driver can be sued, and the plaintiff can win $10K in damages. If 100 people successively sued the driver, would the driver be on the hook for $1M? Or is it a first-come-first-served sort of thing?


I don't think they gave it that kind of thought. Potentially, each plaintiff could have their own lawsuit.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:30 pm

Autumn Wind wrote:With regards to the Texas law, are there any limitations on the number of plaintiffs per defendant?

I mean, the law states that if someone gets an abortion, the driver can be sued, and the plaintiff can win $10K in damages. If 100 people successively sued the driver, would the driver be on the hook for $1M? Or is it a first-come-first-served sort of thing?


I'm assuming the old rule that you cannot be convicted for the same crime more than once still applies. But that is an assumption.

But we will see how the current lawsuit turns out.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:32 pm

Kowani wrote:The first steps in Texas' challenge

A Texas doctor disclosed in an op-ed in the Washington Post Saturday that he has performed an abortion in violation of the state's restrictive new abortion law, which bans effectively bans the procedure after six weeks. Alan Braid's op-ed is a direct disclosure that will very likely result in legal action, thereby setting it up as a potential test case for how the abortion ban will be litigated, notes the New York Times. [...] I acted because I had a duty of care to this patient, as I do for all patients, and because she has a fundamental right to receive this care,” Braid, saying he performed the procedure on Sept. 6 on a woman still in her first trimester.

“I fully understood that there could be legal consequences — but I wanted to make sure that Texas didn’t get away with its bid to prevent this blatantly unconstitutional law from being tested," he added.

“I understand that by providing an abortion beyond the new legal limit, I am taking a personal risk, but it’s something I believe in strongly."

And he has now been sued
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Postby Thepeopl » Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:55 pm

Kowani wrote:
Kowani wrote:The first steps in Texas' challenge

A Texas doctor disclosed in an op-ed in the Washington Post Saturday that he has performed an abortion in violation of the state's restrictive new abortion law, which bans effectively bans the procedure after six weeks. Alan Braid's op-ed is a direct disclosure that will very likely result in legal action, thereby setting it up as a potential test case for how the abortion ban will be litigated, notes the New York Times. [...] I acted because I had a duty of care to this patient, as I do for all patients, and because she has a fundamental right to receive this care,” Braid, saying he performed the procedure on Sept. 6 on a woman still in her first trimester.

“I fully understood that there could be legal consequences — but I wanted to make sure that Texas didn’t get away with its bid to prevent this blatantly unconstitutional law from being tested," he added.

“I understand that by providing an abortion beyond the new legal limit, I am taking a personal risk, but it’s something I believe in strongly."

And he has now been sued


Yes, by 2 lawyers. Let's hope the judge will be sensible and rebellious.

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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:42 am

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Yes, by 2 lawyers. Let's hope the judge will be sensible and rebellious.

It should be said that both of them have explicitly stated that they are pro-choice, they are doing it with the intent that the case exposes how shit this new law is.
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The New California Republic wrote:
Thepeopl wrote:
Yes, by 2 lawyers. Let's hope the judge will be sensible and rebellious.

It should be said that both of them have explicitly stated that they are pro-choice, they are doing it with the intent that the case exposes how shit this new law is.

True. Fingers crossed.

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