[Abortion Thread] (POLL 4) A compromising position...

[The Free Joy State]

The Satanic Temple sues Texas over state’s mandatory sonogram requirement for an abortion, as well as the mandatory 24-hour waiting period following the sonogram, which it argues Infringe on members' religious beliefs

They do such good work in the area of protecting reproductive rights. Good for them.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

The Satanic Temple sues Texas over state’s mandatory sonogram requirement for an abortion, as well as the mandatory 24-hour waiting period following the sonogram, which it argues Infringe on members' religious beliefs

They do such good work in the area of protecting reproductive rights. Good for them.

I'm very tired and my brain said "god bless the satanic temple"
But then I realized

[Genivaria]

South Carolina enacts heartbeat bill (with exceptions for rape, incest, and the life of the mother), 79-35

What is their obsession with incest?

Rape: A crime was committed against the female partner. Or BY the female partner.
Incest: A crime was committed against the female partner, who was either underage (ie rape) or committed a crime herself.
Life of the mother: Well of course.

Republicans seem to have a soft spot for sex criminals. Penalties for incest go as low as 1 year (and $500 fine) so this provision seems to encourage male relatives of a pregnant woman to step up and claim to be the father.

Btw, there's no obligation on the sheriff to investigate an alleged rape or case of incest. The chance of the sheriff laying charges are essentially nil if the pregnant woman won't co-operate.

Also it's clear the 'health of the mother' isn't really a concern since ALL PREGNANCIES carry health risks including death.

[San Lumen]

https://www.kxnet.com/news/abortion-bil ... Yp0wxrBkeg

Efforts to make performing an abortion amount to murder failed in the North Dakota House.

The bill was voted on in two parts. The first would’ve charged abortion providers with murder, and the second would’ve made helping someone get an abortion a felony.


The first part of the bill, which targeted abortion providers, failed 22 to 70, and the second part, which targeted those who help someone get an abortion, failed 6 to 86.

[Great Algerstonia]

South Carolina enacts heartbeat bill (with exceptions for rape, incest, and the life of the mother), 79-35

Heartbeat is focusing on something that is utterly inconsequential and meaningless, some bullshit they have chosen because they know that it is so early in the pregnancy that it acts as a de facto ban.

Good. Abortion should be banned.

[Necroghastia]

Heartbeat is focusing on something that is utterly inconsequential and meaningless, some bullshit they have chosen because they know that it is so early in the pregnancy that it acts as a de facto ban.

Good. Abortion should be banned.

Not without good reason, and I haven't heard one yet.

[Genivaria]

Heartbeat is focusing on something that is utterly inconsequential and meaningless, some bullshit they have chosen because they know that it is so early in the pregnancy that it acts as a de facto ban.

Good. Abortion should be banned.

Lol no fuck that.

[Great Algerstonia]

Good. Abortion should be banned.

Not without good reason, and I haven't heard one yet.

Because abortion is murder of human life and no murder should be legal unless done in self-defense.

[Neutraligon]

Not without good reason, and I haven't heard one yet.

Because abortion is murder of human life and no murder should be legal unless done in self-defense.

Abortion is not murder, and if the pregnancy is unwanted every abortion is done in self defense.

[The Alma Mater]

Not without good reason, and I haven't heard one yet.

Because abortion is murder of human life and no murder should be legal unless done in self-defense.

Removing someone who is using your body against your will, is inside you against your will, is by definition self defence.

[Sundiata]

Not without good reason, and I haven't heard one yet.

Because abortion is murder of human life and no murder should be legal unless done in self-defense.

Man, I don't mean to sound callous but I sincerely believe that our society pressures people into choosing abortion for economic reasons. If we're going to be pro-life we've also got to be willing to support a lot more people. And that means a lot more people who probably won't ever be able to support themselves. I get ethical reservations about abortion but we can't just leave people with no help.

Heartbeat is focusing on something that is utterly inconsequential and meaningless, some bullshit they have chosen because they know that it is so early in the pregnancy that it acts as a de facto ban.

Good. Abortion should be banned.

I don't think so, at least not without any nuance.

[The Free Joy State]

https://www.kxnet.com/news/abortion-bill-fails-in-north-dakota-house/?fbclid=IwAR3xmxkGY2b4oOOmP2cnCNa-stQW0UhVwdZtBAnXHk2kdzmCbYp0wxrBkeg

Efforts to make performing an abortion amount to murder failed in the North Dakota House.

The bill was voted on in two parts. The first would’ve charged abortion providers with murder, and the second would’ve made helping someone get an abortion a felony.


The first part of the bill, which targeted abortion providers, failed 22 to 70, and the second part, which targeted those who help someone get an abortion, failed 6 to 86.

Thank goodness common sense still seems to thrive in North Dakota, for this would have been a ludicrous bill. The laws they're attempting to pass in other States of America (most recently in Tennessee) makes me really concerned for American women.

Because abortion is murder of human life and no murder should be legal unless done in self-defense.

Removing someone who is using your body against your will, is inside you against your will, is by definition self defence.

^ This.

[Fauzjhia]

The claim that abortion is murder, also mean that apparently all pregnancy end with childbirth, which is false.

Not all pregnancy end with birth, and so, pregnancy does not directly lead to birth, multiples event can interrupt the pregnancy, not counting genetic disease and etc.

and the Fact that the featus might not be viable until a certain development.
not to mention people have the right to decided what they do with their body, if child were carried by man, abortion would be a right that would unchallenged for very long time. And it would not even be discussed.

[Sundiata]

The claim that abortion is murder, also mean that apparently all pregnancy end with childbirth, which is false.

How? While I am personally opposed to abortion there are constitutional grounds for having one.

[Fauzjhia]

Because abortion is murder of human life and no murder should be legal unless done in self-defense.

Man, I don't mean to sound callous but I sincerely believe that our society pressures people into choosing abortion for economic reasons. If we're going to be pro-life we've also got to be willing to support a lot more people. And that means a lot more people who probably won't ever be able to support themselves. I get ethical reservations about abortion but we can't just leave people with no help.

Well. that is funny, because I'm feel like i'm reading the left-wing pro-life ideology I developed to support Pro-Life Communist Alliance on Particracy. I think it was more radical, but it was essentially : women have abortion because they receive no aid, so if we increase aid, we'll see less abortions.

The claim that abortion is murder, also mean that apparently all pregnancy end with childbirth, which is false.

How? While I am personally opposed to abortion there are constitutional grounds for having one.

I mean, according to what I understand, if we say that abortion, its because we think the featus is an human or a future human life, and that without the abortion, pregnancy would have led to the birth of the child.

[The Free Joy State]

The claim that abortion is murder, also mean that apparently all pregnancy end with childbirth, which is false.

How? While I am personally opposed to abortion there are constitutional grounds for having one.

A total of 40-60% of all pregnancies end with pregnancy loss, including fertilised eggs that leave before implantation as seemingly a heavy period and a miscarriage at any other time in pregnancy.

The vast majority of fertilised eggs are never born.

It is also impossible to tell a miscarried foetus from an aborted one.

[New haven america]

Not without good reason, and I haven't heard one yet.

Because abortion is murder of human life and no murder should be legal unless done in self-defense.

Hey, did you know that the mother's antibodies view the developing fetus as a parasitic threat and spends 9 months trying to kill it, especially if it has a different blood type as the mother?

This is why miscarriages are actually super common and something doctors are still trying to deal with. (A lot of pregnant women have to take immune suppressants during for example)

[San Lumen]

Because abortion is murder of human life and no murder should be legal unless done in self-defense.

Hey, did you know that the mother's antibodies view the developing fetus as a parasitic threat and spends 9 months trying to kill it, especially if it has a different blood type as the mother?

This is why miscarriages are actually super common and something doctors are still trying to deal with. (A lot of pregnant women have to take immune suppressants during for example)

Really? I’ve never heard of that before.

[Fauzjhia]

Because abortion is murder of human life and no murder should be legal unless done in self-defense.

Hey, did you know that the mother's antibodies view the developing fetus as a parasitic threat and spends 9 months trying to kill it, especially if it has a different blood type as the mother?

This is why miscarriages are actually super common and something doctors are still trying to deal with. (A lot of pregnant women have to take immune suppressants during for example)

I really never heard about this
nor can I find any source of information that confirm that.

[Kowani]

South Carolina enacts heartbeat bill (with exceptions for rape, incest, and the life of the mother), 79-35

Planned Parenthood sued, it's been halted

[The Free Joy State]

South Carolina enacts heartbeat bill (with exceptions for rape, incest, and the life of the mother), 79-35

Planned Parenthood sued, it's been halted

Gotta love Planned Parenthood!

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

Because abortion is murder of human life and no murder should be legal unless done in self-defense.

Man, I don't mean to sound callous but I sincerely believe that our society pressures people into choosing abortion for economic reasons. If we're going to be pro-life we've also got to be willing to support a lot more people. And that means a lot more people who probably won't ever be able to support themselves. I get ethical reservations about abortion but we can't just leave people with no help.

I think that's the plan actually. Ban abortion (except in high probability of maternal death) knowing full well that just as many (or more) abortions will still happen illegally. But no law-abiding citizen has to take responsibility for that, nor for children born into poverty or without parents at all. To some people, such symbolic rejection and casting out of the sinner is the full extent of what they want to do about the unwanted pregnancy problem.

They want to drive it out of sight of respectable people, never mind if it actually gets worse, "they did all they could within the law" and that organized crime then gains abortion services as a source of revenue, along with drugs and prostitution, isn't in any way their fault. Crims gonna crim or something.

[Fauzjhia]

South Carolina enacts heartbeat bill (with exceptions for rape, incest, and the life of the mother), 79-35

Planned Parenthood sued, it's been halted

That's what happen when you have GOP representatives in the office.
reproductive rights are immediately under attack

[The New California Republic]

Not without good reason, and I haven't heard one yet.

Because abortion is murder of human life and no murder should be legal unless done in self-defense.

Not murder, and it is self defence.

[The Caleshan Valkyrie]

Man, I don't mean to sound callous but I sincerely believe that our society pressures people into choosing abortion for economic reasons. If we're going to be pro-life we've also got to be willing to support a lot more people. And that means a lot more people who probably won't ever be able to support themselves. I get ethical reservations about abortion but we can't just leave people with no help.

Well. that is funny, because I'm feel like i'm reading the left-wing pro-life ideology I developed to support Pro-Life Communist Alliance on Particracy. I think it was more radical, but it was essentially : women have abortion because they receive no aid, so if we increase aid, we'll see less abortions.

Honestly, that’s the thing pro-life folks need to focus on (along with sex ed and free contraception) in order to see their will done, but so many focus on just banning it without any thought for the repercussions.