[Abortion Thread] (POLL 4) A compromising position...

[Suriyanakhon]

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/28/worl ... ights.html

While this new legalization does not go far enough, it is a good first step in Thailand.

[The Caleshan Valkyrie]

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/28/world/asia/thailand-abortion-rights.html

While this new legalization does not go far enough, it is a good first step in Thailand.

Do they have universal healthcare in Thailand?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/28/world/asia/thailand-abortion-rights.html

While this new legalization does not go far enough, it is a good first step in Thailand.

Abortion was illegal in Thailand? I didn't know it would be banned in a place where few people are of the abrahamic faith.

[Suriyanakhon]

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/28/world/asia/thailand-abortion-rights.html

While this new legalization does not go far enough, it is a good first step in Thailand.

Abortion was illegal in Thailand? I didn't know it would be banned in a place where few people are of the abrahamic faith.

Thailand is extremely conservative and Buddhist.

It's very much a patriarchal country.

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/28/world/asia/thailand-abortion-rights.html

While this new legalization does not go far enough, it is a good first step in Thailand.

Abortion was illegal in Thailand? I didn't know it would be banned in a place where few people are of the abrahamic faith.

Buddhism has "not taking life" as a far more fundamental belief than Abraham's lot.

I think it's the Fifth Commandment "thou shall not kill" rather than any regular passage, at foundation of their opposition to abortion, and the hypocrisy can be measured not just by how few of them oppose the death penalty or war, but how many violate the other Commandments. If any Commandments should be held above the other, then "thou shall not kill" ranks below either "keep the Sabbath day holy" or "though shall not covet" which I really doubt many do observe. Frankly I think their anti-abortion views aren't founded in the Bible at all, they're a reaction to Roe v. Wade which came at the end of the hippy era and crystalized for religious conservatives everything they didn't like about (70's) modern morality.

You're probably too young to remember, but these same people were squealing with glee when AIDS swept through the gay community. They didn't mind when junkies got it either. But church-going monogamous white people got it too, through blood transfusions, so the religious right rediscovered that death really sucks.

It's entirely proper that modern pro-lifers stay away from religious justifications. Because there aren't any. It was only ever a sham to hide baseless moralism behind religion.

I should have said more about Buddhism, but I don't know much.

[Punished UMN]

Abortion was illegal in Thailand? I didn't know it would be banned in a place where few people are of the abrahamic faith.

Buddhism has "not taking life" as a far more fundamental belief than Abraham's lot.

I think it's the Fifth Commandment "thou shall not kill" rather than any regular passage, at foundation of their opposition to abortion, and the hypocrisy can be measured not just by how few of them oppose the death penalty or war, but how many violate the other Commandments. If any Commandments should be held above the other, then "thou shall not kill" ranks below either "keep the Sabbath day holy" or "though shall not covet" which I really doubt many do observe. Frankly I think their anti-abortion views aren't founded in the Bible at all, they're a reaction to Roe v. Wade which came at the end of the hippy era and crystalized for religious conservatives everything they didn't like about (70's) modern morality.

You're probably too young to remember, but these same people were squealing with glee when AIDS swept through the gay community. They didn't mind when junkies got it either. But church-going monogamous white people got it too, through blood transfusions, so the religious right rediscovered that death really sucks.

It's entirely proper that modern pro-lifers stay away from religious justifications. Because there aren't any. It was only ever a sham to hide baseless moralism behind religion.

I should have said more about Buddhism, but I don't know much.

The abortion debate isn't entirely centered around the United States, you know. And, to reiterate a point I made earlier, everyone is a hypocrite, just because a lot of people who hold a certain view are hypocrites doesn't mean they don't genuinely hold a view, and it doesn't mean that everyone who holds that view is hypocritical about that. And even if some people holding that view are being facetious about it, that doesn't mean everyone is. But that would get in the way of demonizing the opposition. A good chunk of the people in the Pro-life camp (and probably virtually all of them who post on this site) weren't even alive, let alone politically involved, during the AIDS crisis.

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

Buddhism has "not taking life" as a far more fundamental belief than Abraham's lot.

I think it's the Fifth Commandment "thou shall not kill" rather than any regular passage, at foundation of their opposition to abortion, and the hypocrisy can be measured not just by how few of them oppose the death penalty or war, but how many violate the other Commandments. If any Commandments should be held above the other, then "thou shall not kill" ranks below either "keep the Sabbath day holy" or "though shall not covet" which I really doubt many do observe. Frankly I think their anti-abortion views aren't founded in the Bible at all, they're a reaction to Roe v. Wade which came at the end of the hippy era and crystalized for religious conservatives everything they didn't like about (70's) modern morality.

You're probably too young to remember, but these same people were squealing with glee when AIDS swept through the gay community. They didn't mind when junkies got it either. But church-going monogamous white people got it too, through blood transfusions, so the religious right rediscovered that death really sucks.

It's entirely proper that modern pro-lifers stay away from religious justifications. Because there aren't any. It was only ever a sham to hide baseless moralism behind religion.

I should have said more about Buddhism, but I don't know much.

The abortion debate isn't entirely centered around the United States, you know.

I know it's utterly insignificant in Australia. To be fair, it's state law, so I can only speak for NSW and Victoria, but there was a small amount of discontent when the law criminalizing abortion (which hadn't been applied in decades) was struck off. That was years ago and so far as I know, they've never even picketed Planned Parenthood.

Late-term abortion is done in hospitals when it's done at all. No specific law is necessary as the decision is within medical ethics and quite rightly private.

One particular Federal Parliamentary retard raises it from time to time and gets told to shut his ugly hole by Pauline Hanson. Not even the religious right want to go out and bat on that pitch. It's a political issue on the scale of whether we should subsidize goat herding.

And, to reiterate a point I made earlier, everyone is a hypocrite, just because a lot of people who hold a certain view are hypocrites doesn't mean they don't genuinely hold a view, and it doesn't mean that everyone who holds that view is hypocritical about that. And even if some people holding that view are being facetious about it, that doesn't mean everyone is. But that would get in the way of demonizing the opposition. A good chunk of the people in the Pro-life camp (and probably virtually all of them who post on this site) weren't even alive, let alone politically involved, during the AIDS crisis.

Point being that no amount of "it's my religion" haze can cover the hypocrisy of caring about life when it's a bunch of human cells, but openly expressing satisfaction when walking, talking humans catch a fatal disease.

I will grant that they probably weren't all the same people. But there's a big cross-section between those who think the inside of a woman's body is their business, and those who welcome God killing people for being sinners. "Everyone's a hypocrite" doesn't scratch the surface.

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

Autonomy is good.

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

Autonomy is good.

Gun rights for foetuses?

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

Autonomy is good.

Gun rights for foetuses?

BB gun for babies?

[The Caleshan Valkyrie]

Gun rights for foetuses?

BB gun for babies?

Gotta watch out for those heat-packing Blastocysts...

[Atheris]

BB gun for babies?

Gotta watch out for those heat-packing Blastocysts...

You'll shoot your embryo out!

[Genivaria]

'Pro-Life Activist' convinces mother not to abort and is now objecting to now being put down as preferred placement citing financial and health reasons.

The irony is utterly hilarious.
https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/202 ... she-saved/

[Albrenia]

'Pro-Life Activist' convinces mother not to abort and is now objecting to now being put down as preferred placement citing financial and health reasons.

The irony is utterly hilarious.
https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/202 ... she-saved/

Funny how they just stop caring about babies once they are born and might start costing the moral crusaders money.

[Galloism]

'Pro-Life Activist' convinces mother not to abort and is now objecting to now being put down as preferred placement citing financial and health reasons.

The irony is utterly hilarious.
https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/202 ... she-saved/

That might be the best BTFO I've ever heard.

[Kowani]

Arkansas senate passes bill (28-5) requiring women to call a hotline before getting an abortion
The bill still requires the signature of Gov. Asa Hutchinson (R).

[The New California Republic]

Arkansas senate passes bill (28-5) requiring women to call a hotline before getting an abortion
The bill still requires the signature of Gov. Asa Hutchinson (R).

From the article:

"The idea with this is that you're empowering women in order to be able to make the choice to not have an abortion," Republican Sen. Bob Ballinger said before the vote.

Bullshit. Cynical bullshit.

[Esalia]

Arkansas senate passes bill (28-5) requiring women to call a hotline before getting an abortion
The bill still requires the signature of Gov. Asa Hutchinson (R).

From the article:

"The idea with this is that you're empowering women in order to be able to make the choice to not have an abortion," Republican Sen. Bob Ballinger said before the vote.

Bullshit. Cynical bullshit.

Because we need to empower women not to make the choice.

It's not like we assume they don't want an abortion by default or anything.

[Istoreya]

'Pro-Life Activist' convinces mother not to abort and is now objecting to now being put down as preferred placement citing financial and health reasons.

The irony is utterly hilarious.
https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/202 ... she-saved/

When I say I have no respect for the points of view of people who are not pro-life but pro-giving birth, I mean this woman in particular.

[San Lumen]

Arkansas senate passes bill (28-5) requiring women to call a hotline before getting an abortion
The bill still requires the signature of Gov. Asa Hutchinson (R).

totally insane. I hope he vetoes it. Its also probably unconstitutional.

[Galloism]

Arkansas senate passes bill (28-5) requiring women to call a hotline before getting an abortion
The bill still requires the signature of Gov. Asa Hutchinson (R).

totally insane. I hope he vetoes it. Its also probably unconstitutional.

He probably won't, FYI.

It's probably not unconstitutional, but it's damn shitty.

[San Lumen]

totally insane. I hope he vetoes it. Its also probably unconstitutional.

He probably won't, FYI.

It's probably not unconstitutional, but it's damn shitty.

I would be shocked if its not challenged in court.

[Galloism]

He probably won't, FYI.

It's probably not unconstitutional, but it's damn shitty.

I would be shocked if its not challenged in court.

I'm sure it will be. But it's probably not unconstitutional.

I'm legally required to sign that I received and read financial wellness information to take out a mortgage on a new home. This isn't that different.

[Kowani]

Arkansas senate passes bill (28-5) requiring women to call a hotline before getting an abortion
The bill still requires the signature of Gov. Asa Hutchinson (R).

totally insane. I hope he vetoes it. Its also probably unconstitutional.

According to the article, other states have very similar programs already in place
So no

[Neutraligon]

I would be shocked if its not challenged in court.

I'm sure it will be. But it's probably not unconstitutional.

I'm legally required to sign that I received and read financial wellness information to take out a mortgage on a new home. This isn't that different.

I wonder if it could count as forced speech or association. Also, which hotline and how is that hotline being controlled?