That example I gave from Paraguay is perfectly ok to you then? That girl could have permanent injury and complications still but apparently the fetus matters more than the woman.
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by San Lumen » Mon Jan 25, 2021 4:28 pm
by Necroghastia » Mon Jan 25, 2021 4:28 pm
by Kexholm Karelia » Mon Jan 25, 2021 4:32 pm
Necroghastia wrote:Kexholm Karelia wrote:Killing a fetus isn’t self defense because a fetus isn’t attacking anyone, it’s the purest form of innocence there is
So? Does it have to be attacking anyone? A splinter gets in your finger through no fault of its own but like, if you don't want that shit in there bc it causes your body Problems well my guy it's your right to get it out lol
by Necroghastia » Mon Jan 25, 2021 4:35 pm
Kexholm Karelia wrote:Necroghastia wrote:So? Does it have to be attacking anyone? A splinter gets in your finger through no fault of its own but like, if you don't want that shit in there bc it causes your body Problems well my guy it's your right to get it out lol
A splinter isn’t a living thing, a fetus is
Celritannia wrote:
So the mother's life is no longer a concern.
Nice of you to think a born human being is second class to something growing inside her.
The mother’s life is a concern, the issue is a large number of abortions happen when there is no valid threat to the mother’s life, and while thankfully a few of these victims survive, most are killed
by Senkaku » Mon Jan 25, 2021 4:36 pm
Kexholm Karelia wrote:Echo Chamber Thought Police wrote:We kill and eat plants and animals all the time... many of which are far more developed and sentient than early fetuses.
Abortion is not murder. It isn't a good thing, but it's not murder.
I believe humans have a moral duty not to kill other humans without good reason (war, self defense, etc.), but equating that to animals isn’t the same because animals are part of the food chain as a human’s diet
by San Lumen » Mon Jan 25, 2021 4:37 pm
Kexholm Karelia wrote:Necroghastia wrote:So? Does it have to be attacking anyone? A splinter gets in your finger through no fault of its own but like, if you don't want that shit in there bc it causes your body Problems well my guy it's your right to get it out lol
A splinter isn’t a living thing, a fetus isCelritannia wrote:
So the mother's life is no longer a concern.
Nice of you to think a born human being is second class to something growing inside her.
The mother’s life is a concern, the issue is a large number of abortions happen when there is no valid threat to the mother’s life, and while thankfully a few of these victims survive, most are killed
by Kexholm Karelia » Mon Jan 25, 2021 4:37 pm
Necroghastia wrote:Who are you to be the arbiter of "valid threat[s] to the mother's life?"
by The New California Republic » Mon Jan 25, 2021 4:38 pm
by Kexholm Karelia » Mon Jan 25, 2021 4:41 pm
by Senkaku » Mon Jan 25, 2021 4:43 pm
by Kexholm Karelia » Mon Jan 25, 2021 4:44 pm
by Vassenor » Mon Jan 25, 2021 4:44 pm
by Senkaku » Mon Jan 25, 2021 4:45 pm
by Necroghastia » Mon Jan 25, 2021 4:46 pm
by The New California Republic » Mon Jan 25, 2021 4:47 pm
by Kexholm Karelia » Mon Jan 25, 2021 4:47 pm
Vassenor wrote:I mean if you want to get strict with the taxonomy the fetus is a parasite.
by Necroghastia » Mon Jan 25, 2021 4:49 pm
Necroghastia wrote:Who are you to be the arbiter of "valid threat[s] to the mother's life?"
Not sure what you mean by this, please elaborate
by Necroghastia » Mon Jan 25, 2021 4:49 pm
by Senkaku » Mon Jan 25, 2021 4:50 pm
Vassenor wrote:I mean if you want to get strict with the taxonomy the fetus is a parasite.
by Kexholm Karelia » Mon Jan 25, 2021 4:55 pm
Senkaku wrote:Kexholm Karelia wrote:Reductio ad absurdum
It isn't, though. If you take an absolutist stance on abortion, that will have real world implications for some number of child rape victims or women with underlying health conditions. You might not want to face those realities, or you might think that's a tradeoff worth making, but it's not absurd to point them out.
by The Marlborough » Mon Jan 25, 2021 4:59 pm
Vassenor wrote:I mean if you want to get strict with the taxonomy the fetus is a parasite.
by Senkaku » Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:00 pm
Kexholm Karelia wrote:Senkaku wrote:It isn't, though. If you take an absolutist stance on abortion, that will have real world implications for some number of child rape victims or women with underlying health conditions. You might not want to face those realities, or you might think that's a tradeoff worth making, but it's not absurd to point them out.
Let’s look at statistics, only 6-8% of pregnancies are considered "high risk," this is a small minority of pregnancies, but looking at abortions specifically,
13% of abortions in the survey were done for medical necessity, interestingly enough in that same survey, the majority of respondent’s reason was "Having a baby would dramatically change my life."
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