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Hypothetical: League of Legends Gambling

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Would you feel encouraged or discouraged by the 30-30-40 rule?

Encouraged (if I focus on my own performance and win>lose for just 40 percent of games, I can climb abs make money and then get out before my skill ceiling is reached)
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17%
Discouraged (yeah I’ll try harder to get out... 60 percent of games are out of my control and with my personality, I’m going to mess up the 40 percent too because I can’t not get upset at the losses)
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Hypothetical: League of Legends Gambling

Postby Infected Mushroom » Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:30 pm

Please consider the following hypothetical:

In the not-so-distant future, gambling (with real money) on the popular (but at times super frustrating) video game League on Legends has been internationally approved and sanctioned.

Here’s how this thing works.

You queue up on your computer and get matched with 4 team mates to play against a team of 5 opponents. You have to put 1,000 USD on the line (as does every player) every match. This forms the pot for the game. If you lose the ensuring 5 v 5 you lose 1,000 USD. If you win, every person on your team becomes 1,000 USD richer.

Each game takes 30-50 minutes to play out and due to the nature of the game (you depend on your team mates to win, there’s huge amounts of in game toxicity and trolling, frustrating luck factors, obnoxious champion designs and massive skill differentials) it is very possible to feel extremely angry and upset.

Even without there being money lost involved, it’s quite possible to become... quite displeased with the experience.

Matchmaking is based on skill (the more you win, the better your opponents become while you get worse team mates... the more you lose... the weaker your opponents become while you get better team mates)
...

Now this Play League To Get Rich thing becomes trendy and so you play too. Some people take the gambling to excessive levels and skip school, quit their jobs, or cast their loved ones aside to play this thing 24/7.

A few celebrities and pro players emerge, glamorous twitch channels are set up where players are seen in live time crushing their opponents and pocketing over ten thousand USD daily...

However, millions of lives are also destroyed because most people are either bad at the game or can’t get into the right mentality (if you lose 2 50 minute games... it’s very hard to pretend that didn’t happen and play the third game with a non-angry mind)... however, they are addicted.

...

Now you have been playing for a few months. You’ve lost a fair bit of money over this but you are addicted. You want to win, you want to become like your heroes.

You want to find an incentive to keep playing so you turn on YouTube and you see this announcement from the company that runs this gambling:

“A lot of you are saying... “It’s not me it’s my team mates holding me back. The system is rigged, I’m never going to climb. I’m never going to make money.”

Don’t be discouraged. Our ranked system is fair. Here’s how it works.

In 30 percent of games, assuming you don’t try to lose intentionally... you will statistically auto-win. Your team is just too good.

In another 30 percent of games, assuming you don’t try to lose intentionally... you will statistically auto-lose. Your team is just too bad.

In the last 40 percent of games, your performance is the key. If you play better than your division, you will climb and make money. If you let those auto-losses get to your head, then you don’t deserve to climb.

You see? You can climb and make money. Focus on those 40 percent of games, accept some games are out of your control. Work hard, fix your mistakes, climb.

Good luck!”


...

Please assume this disclosure of the 30-30-40 rule is new information.

Are you encouraged... or discouraged by this?

Are you encouraged by the fact that by simply improving your mentality (accepting some games are predetermined) and focusing on you and not your team mates... that slight wins in the 40 percent if all games will push you towards a climb?

Or are you discouraged because now you feel more than ever like a puppet? As in... what kind of game allows your performance to ONLY matter in less than half of games?

Well... which is it? Are you an optimist or a pessimist? Why?

Would this hypothetical 30-30-40 rule encourage or discourage you?

Please try to imagine you are already something of a gaming addict.

It sounds very very depressing. Imagine playing an auto loss followed by one of those 40 percent games and then losing cause your mind is already off center. I think I would fixate on how 60 percent of games are pre determined and slowly get out of this system.
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Postby Purpelia » Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:01 pm

Gambling is the natural mechanism by which smart people take money away from stupid people who don't deserve to have it. I am not stupid. Therefore I do not do gambling.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:07 am

Purpelia wrote:Gambling is the natural mechanism by which smart people take money away from stupid people who don't deserve to have it. I am not stupid. Therefore I do not do gambling.


I see...

But assuming you’ve become somewhat of a gambling addict in the hypothetical, would the disclosure of the 30 30 40 mechanism promote or discourage your tendency towards the game?

That is to say, does it motivate or demotivate? What’s your interpretation of the disclosed rules?

Does it slightly set the stage for a withdrawal from the game or does it promote more game playing?
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:54 am

So this is a bit like poker. Which is also not gambling :P

Anyway, I don't have the skills nor the fortune to squander $1000 on an hour of fun. I mean, I know better things to do for $1000 / hour.

I am sure there will be cheaper leagues with only $5 or $10 in the pot per player. I might do a few of those.

Also, the house takes a percentage. So either it is like $1000+100, or $900+100. The house always wins :)
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Postby Purpelia » Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:55 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Purpelia wrote:Gambling is the natural mechanism by which smart people take money away from stupid people who don't deserve to have it. I am not stupid. Therefore I do not do gambling.


I see...

But assuming you’ve become somewhat of a gambling addict in the hypothetical, would the disclosure of the 30 30 40 mechanism promote or discourage your tendency towards the game?

That is to say, does it motivate or demotivate? What’s your interpretation of the disclosed rules?

Does it slightly set the stage for a withdrawal from the game or does it promote more game playing?

Gambling addicts don't care about the odds. Not really. They only care about the gambling.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:55 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:So this is a bit like poker. Which is also not gambling :P

Anyway, I don't have the skills nor the fortune to squander $1000 on an hour of fun. I mean, I know better things to do for $1000 / hour.

I am sure there will be cheaper leagues with only $5 or $10 in the pot per player. I might do a few of those.

Also, the house takes a percentage. So either it is like $1000+100, or $900+100. The house always wins :)


Right

Sorry, I forgot to mention, House takes a very small percentage of wins but it’s really small since the player base is huge and they can also make money from selling visual upgrades (skins) of the playable characters

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:57 am

Think of it as 100 percent similar to the real League with its match making EXCEPT there’s real money involved in the hypothetical
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Postby Indian Empire » Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:06 am

hmm, if I'm like a millionaire & have some spare time I don't see reason not to at least try a few. But anything lower than that and I've got too much on the line for silly games like this.
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:28 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:In the not-so-distant future, gambling (with real money) on the popular (but at times super frustrating) video game League on Legends has been internationally approved and sanctioned.

They can sanction it all that they like, it's still gambling so I'll have no part in it.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:47 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:You queue up on your computer and get matched with 4 team mates to play against a team of 5 opponents. You have to put 1,000 USD on the line (as does every player) every match. This forms the pot for the game. If you lose the ensuring 5 v 5 you lose 1,000 USD. If you win, every person on your team becomes 1,000 USD richer.


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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:50 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:Think of it as 100 percent similar to the real League with its match making EXCEPT there’s real money involved in the hypothetical


"you lose 1,000 USD" in the OP. Is that you the player, or you the team?
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Postby Andsed » Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:55 am

I am not about to put 1,000 dollars on the line. If I lost like once I would be so fucked.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:59 am

My distant memory of online games is "there's always someone better than me". Well my experience of ALL games tbh.

  • Weak teams are going to drop out, either from lack of money or getting sore in the hip-pocket nerve.
  • Strong teams are going to give up their day job and play 14 hours every day. Getting even better.

Some team you know nothing about until you play them, is therefore likely to be better than yours.




As with so many things in life (besides work) you shouldn't do it if you're only doing it to win. Play the game, sure, but when you put serious money on the line you're the one who will get played.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:11 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:Think of it as 100 percent similar to the real League with its match making EXCEPT there’s real money involved in the hypothetical


"you lose 1,000 USD" in the OP. Is that you the player, or you the team?


The player

10 player, everyone each puts 1000 on the line.

The grand pot has 10,000 dollars... goes to winning team, even split

Hence if you win you profit around 1,000 minus the small amount the house takes in

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:12 am

Andsed wrote:I am not about to put 1,000 dollars on the line. If I lost like once I would be so fucked.


If you lose one, better win the next 2 :)

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Postby Ifreann » Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:45 am

Why are you asking us about gambling when this is otherwise just a real thing? Based on a quick bit of googling, someone who makes YouTube videos about League of Legends put forward the idea of this 30-30-40 rule. I haven't watched it, but I'm guessing that this is an observation about how games tend to go, not an argument that the matchmaking is set up to create this situation. The whole thing about gambling seems irrelevant when you're asking us about a real thing.

I do hope you aren't actually throwing $1,000 away on games of LoL...
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Postby Torisakia » Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:00 am

As someone who played League religiously from late 2015-early 2018, I'm certain I'd lose more money than I'd win given how bad I actually was. Plus this system seems like it could be easily abused through boosting, so whether the 30-30-40 thing is true or not is irrelevant.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:27 am

I worked in a bookies for almost two years, ive seen what gambling does to people in person so i wouldnt do this shit in a heartbeat.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:37 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:I worked in a bookies for almost two years, ive seen what gambling does to people in person so i wouldnt do this shit in a heartbeat.


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