Without pulling some pseudoscience or some kind of eugenics, give a reason why genders are different, and more importantly, why that means we should subjugate an entire gender?
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by West Leas Oros 2 » Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:52 pm
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by South Odreria 2 » Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:08 pm
Valrifell wrote:
Disregard whatever this poster says
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by South Odreria 2 » Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:16 pm
Cekoviu wrote:West Leas Oros 2 wrote:No, your reasoning is simple and reductive because you are making statements about all men based on the actions of some. I’ve witnessed plenty of heinous shit from black people, but I know that most of them are good people and that only some are bad. If I were to say that all black people were bad, that would be racist.
nOt AlL mEn is a terrible argument and you should be ashamed of yourself, and here's why.
at a certain point, overwhelming experience (plus data to back it up!) is enough to make some generalizations, yes? i'll illustrate this with an intuitive example based on a real phenomenon: say i go around the world and encounter 50 different termite colonies from all termite subfamilies all over the world and three of them have environmentally beneficial symbiotic caterpillars living inside, so i look up papers about symbiotic lepidoptera in termite colonies and they make the conclusion that only, say, 10 relatively derived species of termite have those caterpillars. it is therefore fair to say termites do not generally have symbiotic lepidoptera living in their colonies and if we try to eradicate termite colonies for pest control purposes, we do not generally have to worry about saving the caterpillars within the colonies, yes?
now, say i have been closely involved (as a friend, close colleague, relative, or partner) with around 40 men (not sure if that's an accurate figure, i haven't kept count, but we'll just go with that). of those, i have known about 12.5% to have sexually harassed me or other women with whom they are involved with the same degree of closeness (i have not seen any sexually harass other men). a slightly smaller proportion have used pornography or have otherwise cheated on their partner. so nearly a quarter think with their dick to the point that they have actively harmed women. in contrast, i've been closely involved as a friend, colleague, or relative with a slightly higher number of women, but of those i have known 2% to have sexually harassed me or another individual and another 6% to have used pornography or cheated on their partner. that means based on what i've observed, men are 6x as likely to sexually harass someone and 2x as likely to have cheated on their partner. so i think, okay, maybe my experience is skewed and men aren't quite that much worse than women in this respect, so i go to take a look at some statistics. men are about 4x as likely as women to commit sexual violence, twice as likely to view internet pornography, men are somewhat more likely to cheat on their partner in either a married or non-married setting but not significantly so, etc. now what conclusion do i make from this data? "oh, well, men are equal to women in every way and we shouldn't try to do anything about this behavior"? no, that's absurd.
Valrifell wrote:
Disregard whatever this poster says
by The Xenopolis Confederation » Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:18 pm
South Odreria 2 wrote:People that think men and women are the same tend to not have much experience with either
by Picairn » Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:45 pm
South Odreria 2 wrote:heyyy queen I saw your post about how men are trash and I just wanted to let you know that I agree. although I myself am a man, (i know, ugh) i am on your side.
by Nuroblav » Sun Sep 27, 2020 6:34 am
Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire wrote:Comrade, gender is merely social construct.
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Kind of, yeah. Way I see it, there's not much difference between genders. It's not like they're different species or anything. As such, why should we deny human rights to a certain group of humans?
(hint for the sexists out there: we shouldn't.)
by Cekoviu » Sun Sep 27, 2020 6:35 am
South Odreria 2 wrote:heyyy queen I saw your post about how men are trash and I just wanted to let you know that I agree. although I myself am a man, (i know, ugh) i am on your side. “one of the good ones” as some may say. By the way I never noticed until now how smart your social commentary is but it is genius.
by West Leas Oros 2 » Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:03 am
Cekoviu wrote:West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Without pulling some pseudoscience or some kind of eugenics, give a reason why genders are different, and more importantly, why that means we should subjugate an entire gender?
sex hormones tend to modulate behavior to an extent, explaining some trends in behavioral differences seen between men and women (these are however amplified by culture). gender itself is not a social construct, being clearly innate or formed very early in the brain.South Odreria 2 wrote:heyyy queen I saw your post about how men are trash and I just wanted to let you know that I agree. although I myself am a man, (i know, ugh) i am on your side. “one of the good ones” as some may say. By the way I never noticed until now how smart your social commentary is but it is genius.
is this a copypasta or did you come up with it? kudos if the latter
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by West Leas Oros 2 » Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:10 am
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Cekoviu wrote:sex hormones tend to modulate behavior to an extent, explaining some trends in behavioral differences seen between men and women (these are however amplified by culture). gender itself is not a social construct, being clearly innate or formed very early in the brain.
is this a copypasta or did you come up with it? kudos if the latter
Alright, fine. I'll concede that hormones play a role in human development and behaviour. So what? Doesn't mean we should go out and treat people as "lesser" for it.
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by Celritannia » Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:14 am
Cekoviu wrote:West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Without pulling some pseudoscience or some kind of eugenics, give a reason why genders are different, and more importantly, why that means we should subjugate an entire gender?
sex hormones tend to modulate behavior to an extent, explaining some trends in behavioral differences seen between men and women (these are however amplified by culture). gender itself is not a social construct, being clearly innate or formed very early in the brain.
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by West Leas Oros 2 » Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:29 am
Celritannia wrote:Cekoviu wrote:sex hormones tend to modulate behavior to an extent, explaining some trends in behavioral differences seen between men and women (these are however amplified by culture). gender itself is not a social construct, being clearly innate or formed very early in the brain.
Women do want to have sex just as much as men, so it is incorrect to fully say men are more sexual than women.
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by Celritannia » Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:30 am
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by West Leas Oros 2 » Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:34 am
Celritannia wrote:West Leas Oros 2 wrote:And even if they were, that's no reason to call for their subjugation.
Also correct.
Every person is an individual, so to judge an entire groups based on statistics of a few does not accurately represent an entire groups, whether it be their sex, gender, race, sexual orientation, etc.
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by Cekoviu » Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:46 am
Celritannia wrote:Cekoviu wrote:sex hormones tend to modulate behavior to an extent, explaining some trends in behavioral differences seen between men and women (these are however amplified by culture). gender itself is not a social construct, being clearly innate or formed very early in the brain.
Women do want to have sex just as much as men, so it is incorrect to fully say men are more sexual than women.
by Celritannia » Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:48 am
Cekoviu wrote:West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Still waiting for an answer on why hormonal differences warrant subjugation.
ok
disregarding the fact that you've cited an atlantic article reviewing a nonscientific book to prove this point, that doesn't really have any bearing on the argument (not that i even disagree with the conclusion that women naturally have just as much of a libido as men; we are just better at controlling ourselves).
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by West Leas Oros 2 » Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:59 am
Cekoviu wrote:West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Still waiting for an answer on why hormonal differences warrant subjugation.
ok
disregarding the fact that you've cited an atlantic article reviewing a nonscientific book to prove this point, that doesn't really have any bearing on the argument (not that i even disagree with the conclusion that women naturally have just as much of a libido as men; we are just better at controlling ourselves).
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by Cekoviu » Sun Sep 27, 2020 10:09 am
Celritannia wrote:Cekoviu wrote:ok
disregarding the fact that you've cited an atlantic article reviewing a nonscientific book to prove this point, that doesn't really have any bearing on the argument (not that i even disagree with the conclusion that women naturally have just as much of a libido as men; we are just better at controlling ourselves).
But the argument is still not a reason to disregard men from Cabinet positions.
Not to mention, many countries still do not see trans women as women, meaning trans women maybe bared from serving in an all female cabinet in this hypothetical situation.
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Cekoviu wrote:ok
disregarding the fact that you've cited an atlantic article reviewing a nonscientific book to prove this point, that doesn't really have any bearing on the argument (not that i even disagree with the conclusion that women naturally have just as much of a libido as men; we are just better at controlling ourselves).
Well, do you have an answer, other than "men horny, therefore matriarchy".
by Celritannia » Sun Sep 27, 2020 10:11 am
Cekoviu wrote:ok? i don't really care whether trans women are included, though ideally they would be.
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