In “Treacherous Stab”, Bahrain Normalises Tie With Israel

[Novus America]

It's not. It's all Ex Post Facto "interpretations" that their clergy pulled out of its ass after literal decades of calling the aforementioned theories literal blasphemy.

Right, how dare religions change and evolve with the times.

Nothing wrong with that, but if you claim something was always 100% right, then it cannot change by default.
See the contradiction there?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bidah

When you retcon something, you by definition imply the past versions, or at least interpretations, are wrong.

Anyways it is not really the point, because using 1400 year old books is a silly basis on which to make details of foreign policy.

I mean sure you can retcon the religion yo endorse your foreign policy, but that is the point, it goes the other way.
Nobody in who wrote the Quaran predicted the creation of Israel as it was, so it is quite dubious to say it says anything about the creation of modern Israel. Using cherry picking interpretations to claim it predicted something AFTER that thing happened makes it pretty useless as a prediction.
A prediction is only useful if you use it to avoid or prepare for the predicted event.
If the event already happened, the prediction is no longer usable.

I am sure you can twist the Quran and Haddith to support OR oppose the recognition of Israel.

But first you decide what you want to twist it to be.
You make the decision first, based on real practical concerns of today, then you can go back and make your propaganda.
Making propaganda BEFORE you decided what you want it to say is putting the cart before the horse.

[Insaanistan]

So evolution, the sun eventually running out of light, the Big Bang, and the universe expanding are all myths? Because all that stuff’s in the Qur’ân.

That’s all in the Qur’an?

Evolution:
“God created you in diverse stages.” (71:14)
“He designed you then made your design better.” (64:3)
“He formed you then made your forms better.” (40:64)

Big Bang:
". . . the heavens and the earth were joined together as one unit, before We clove them asunder" (21:30)
". . . turned to the sky, and it had been (as) smoke. He said to it and to the earth: 'Come together, willingly or unwillingly.' They said: 'We come (together) in willing obedience'" (41:11)

Universe Expanding:
"The heavens, We have built them with power. And verily, We are expanding it" (51:47)

Sun running out of light:
“When the sun is out of light.” (81:1)

[Insaanistan]

Right, how dare religions change and evolve with the times.

Precisely. How dare you suggest that what some asshat wrote on a book 1,400 years earlier "totes" was meant this new theory that you just gave up trying to suppress as blasphemy? I'm glad we agree.

Actually, much of the stuff in the Qur’ân is what motivated Muslim scientists to study in the Islamic Golden Age. Ideas such as organisms changing over time, celestial bodies being in orbit, and the earth being a spheroid shape are all things that are in the Qur’ân that were agreed upon or at least widely accepted in the Muslim world of the time.

[Novus America]

Precisely. How dare you suggest that what some asshat wrote on a book 1,400 years earlier "totes" was meant this new theory that you just gave up trying to suppress as blasphemy? I'm glad we agree.

Actually, much of the stuff in the Qur’ân is what motivated Muslim scientists to study in the Islamic Golden Age. Ideas such as organisms changing over time, celestial bodies being in orbit, and the earth being a spheroid shape are all things that are in the Qur’ân that were agreed upon or at least widely accepted in the Muslim world of the time.

The Greeks knew the earth was a spheroid some 900 years before the Quran, so that is not impressive.
And actually the evolution does not work like that at all. It is not clear stages directed by an outside force, it is a chaotic process that is not directed or controlled, and there is not a clear point where one species becomes another.

But this is probably beyond the topic.

It still makes no sense to look for the answers to contemporary foreign policies in a 1400 year old book.
It does not have the answers on how to solve the foreign policy issues of the contemporary Middle East.

[Insaanistan]

Actually, much of the stuff in the Qur’ân is what motivated Muslim scientists to study in the Islamic Golden Age. Ideas such as organisms changing over time, celestial bodies being in orbit, and the earth being a spheroid shape are all things that are in the Qur’ân that were agreed upon or at least widely accepted in the Muslim world of the time.

The Greeks knew the earth was a spheroid some 900 years before the Quran, so that is not impressive.
And actually the evolution does not work like that at all. It is not clear stages directed by an outside force, it is a chaotic process that is not directed or controlled, and there is not a clear point where one species becomes another.

But this is probably beyond the topic.

It still makes no sense to look for the answers to contemporary foreign policies in a 1400 year old book.
It does not have the answers on how to solve the foreign policy issues of the contemporary Middle East.

The Greeks were not completely agreed on this topic, and while many of them did believe so, I highly doubt the illiterate Arabian orphan was a scholar of Greek knowledge.
We say stages of depression, but that doesn’t mean you magically go from one stage into the other with no shift into the next one.

[Novus America]

The Greeks knew the earth was a spheroid some 900 years before the Quran, so that is not impressive.
And actually the evolution does not work like that at all. It is not clear stages directed by an outside force, it is a chaotic process that is not directed or controlled, and there is not a clear point where one species becomes another.

But this is probably beyond the topic.

It still makes no sense to look for the answers to contemporary foreign policies in a 1400 year old book.
It does not have the answers on how to solve the foreign policy issues of the contemporary Middle East.

The Greeks were not completely agreed on this topic, and while many of them did believe so, I highly doubt the illiterate Arabian orphan was a scholar of Greek knowledge.
We say stages of depression, but that doesn’t mean you magically go from one stage into the other with no shift into the next one.

I mean sure, you can retroactively interpret it to say it means something that it does not literally say, but what it literally says is still quite removed from our modern understanding.

Anyways again it is not really the topic, it does not have the answers on the current foreign policy issues in the region, and will not help with those.

[Benuty]

Atheists are still in the minority, so we are not obligated to listen to this hypothetical lot of other people.

Unfortunately, the size of a crowd doesn't correlate positively with the value of their ideas.

Take the slew of people following Trump or Erdoğan, for example. Lots of people, rubbish ideas. So, you may feel free not to listen, but we'll keep talking.

You can talk, but that doesn't mean establishments will care to listen. Case in point try having a satanist deliver a prayer in a catholic majority legislature, and see how well that goes over.

[Bhikkustan]

A tragedy to be sure, but honestly the Arab monarchies have always been fickle at best. The blindness shown in the face of apartheid is really sad.

[Insaanistan]

A tragedy to be sure, but honestly the Arab monarchies have always been fickle at best. The blindness shown in the face of apartheid is really sad.

True.

[Thermodolia]

Unfortunately, the size of a crowd doesn't correlate positively with the value of their ideas.

Take the slew of people following Trump or Erdoğan, for example. Lots of people, rubbish ideas. So, you may feel free not to listen, but we'll keep talking.

You can talk, but that doesn't mean establishments will care to listen. Case in point try having a satanist deliver a prayer in a catholic majority legislature, and see how well that goes over.

I’d say it depends on how Catholic they are

[Insaanistan]

Yemenis protest in the streets in droves in support of the Palestinian cause and against the UAE and Bahrain.
Palestine has decided to leave its role as chair of upcoming Arab League meetings (thank you Astoria).

[-Astoria-]

Palestine has decided to pull out of the Arab League.

Not exactly:

Palestine quits Arab League role in protest over Israel deals
Palestine was meant to chair Arab League meetings for next six months, but FM Riyad al-Maliki has declined the position.

Palestine has quit its current chairmanship of Arab League meetings, the Palestinian foreign minister said on Tuesday, condemning as dishonourable any Arab agreement to establish formal ties with Israel.

Palestinians see the deals that the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain signed with Israel in Washington a week ago as a betrayal of their cause and a blow to their quest for an independent state in Israeli-occupied territory.

Earlier this month, the Palestinians failed to persuade the Arab League to condemn nations breaking ranks and normalising relations with Israel.

Palestine was supposed to chair Arab League meetings for the next six months, but Foreign Minister Riyad al-Maliki told a news conference in the occupied West Bank city of Ramallah that it no longer wanted the position.

"Palestine has decided to concede its right to chair the League's council [of foreign ministers] at its current session. There is no honour in seeing Arabs rush towards normalisation during its presidency," Maliki said.

In his remarks, he did not specifically name the UAE and Bahrain, Gulf Arab countries that share with Israel concern over Iran. He said Arab League Secretary-General Ahmed Aboul Gheit had been informed of the Palestinian decision.

The Palestinian leadership wants an independent state based on the de facto borders before the 1967 war, in which Israel occupied the West Bank and the Gaza Strip and annexed East Jerusalem.

Arab countries have long called for Israel's withdrawal from illegally occupied land, a just solution for Palestinian refugees and a settlement that leads to the establishment of a viable, independent Palestinian state, in exchange for establishing ties with it.

In a new move addressing internal Palestinian divisions, officials from West Bank-based President Mahmoud Abbas's Fatah faction and the Gaza-based Hamas movement were due to hold reconciliation talks in Turkey on Tuesday.

Hamas seized the Gaza Strip in 2007 from Fatah forces during a brief round of fighting. Differences over power-sharing have delayed implementation of unity deals agreed since then.

[Insaanistan]

Palestine has decided to pull out of the Arab League.

Not exactly:

Palestine quits Arab League role in protest over Israel deals
Palestine was meant to chair Arab League meetings for next six months, but FM Riyad al-Maliki has declined the position.

Palestine has quit its current chairmanship of Arab League meetings, the Palestinian foreign minister said on Tuesday, condemning as dishonourable any Arab agreement to establish formal ties with Israel.

Palestinians see the deals that the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain signed with Israel in Washington a week ago as a betrayal of their cause and a blow to their quest for an independent state in Israeli-occupied territory.

Earlier this month, the Palestinians failed to persuade the Arab League to condemn nations breaking ranks and normalising relations with Israel.

Palestine was supposed to chair Arab League meetings for the next six months, but Foreign Minister Riyad al-Maliki told a news conference in the occupied West Bank city of Ramallah that it no longer wanted the position.

"Palestine has decided to concede its right to chair the League's council [of foreign ministers] at its current session. There is no honour in seeing Arabs rush towards normalisation during its presidency," Maliki said.

In his remarks, he did not specifically name the UAE and Bahrain, Gulf Arab countries that share with Israel concern over Iran. He said Arab League Secretary-General Ahmed Aboul Gheit had been informed of the Palestinian decision.

The Palestinian leadership wants an independent state based on the de facto borders before the 1967 war, in which Israel occupied the West Bank and the Gaza Strip and annexed East Jerusalem.

Arab countries have long called for Israel's withdrawal from illegally occupied land, a just solution for Palestinian refugees and a settlement that leads to the establishment of a viable, independent Palestinian state, in exchange for establishing ties with it.

In a new move addressing internal Palestinian divisions, officials from West Bank-based President Mahmoud Abbas's Fatah faction and the Gaza-based Hamas movement were due to hold reconciliation talks in Turkey on Tuesday.

Hamas seized the Gaza Strip in 2007 from Fatah forces during a brief round of fighting. Differences over power-sharing have delayed implementation of unity deals agreed since then.

Oop. Okay, I’m changing it.

[Albionist Great Britain]

Yemenis protest in the streets in droves in support of the Palestinian cause and against the UAE and Bahrain.
Palestine has decided to leave its role as chair of upcoming Arab League meetings (thank you Astoria).

Not like the Yemeni population has any power or real influence on these matters AFAIK, which is perfectly fine by me. The more disunited and palpable the Arab states, the better for us and Israeli sovereignty.

[-Astoria-]

Yemenis protest in the streets in droves in support of the Palestinian cause and against the UAE and Bahrain.
Palestine has decided to leave its role as chair of upcoming Arab League meetings (thank you Astoria).

Not like the Yemeni population has any power or real influence on these matters AFAIK, which is perfectly fine by me. The more disunited and palpable the Arab states, the better for us and Israeli sovereignty.

Ah, divide & conquer; back again.

[Albionist Great Britain]

Not like the Yemeni population has any power or real influence on these matters AFAIK, which is perfectly fine by me. The more disunited and palpable the Arab states, the better for us and Israeli sovereignty.

Ah, divide & conquer; back again.

Not necessarily conquer. Administrating the Arabs would be far too troublesome and costly, we just need to ensure we have their resources at our advantage and leverage over them. It’s more... making sure we can bring them onto our bench and let us mutually benefit from such a partnership. Once the Arabs accept the reality of Israel, then it’ll be much better for us.

[Novus America]

Yemenis protest in the streets in droves in support of the Palestinian cause and against the UAE and Bahrain.
Palestine has decided to leave its role as chair of upcoming Arab League meetings (thank you Astoria).

Neither of which will do any good. Especially as Yemen (which Yemen?) and the Palestinian government are such a mess anyways. Neither have any real leverage.

[Insaanistan]

Not like the Yemeni population has any power or real influence on these matters AFAIK, which is perfectly fine by me. The more disunited and palpable the Arab states, the better for us and Israeli sovereignty.

Ah, divide & conquer; back again.

There is a saying (I believe it’s Arab) that goes like, “I you see two fish of the same species fighting in the ocean, chances are, the British are behind it.”

[Genivaria]

The poll is confusing, whether or not Israel should be punished for breaking UN resolutions is a separate question to whether or not relations with Israel should be normalized.

[Insaanistan]

The poll is confusing, whether or not Israel should be punished for breaking UN resolutions is a separate question to whether or not relations with Israel should be normalized.

Some one asked for it, and it had a pretty decent relation to the topic, so I added it.

[Northern Davincia]

Ah, divide & conquer; back again.

There is a saying (I believe it’s Arab) that goes like, “I you see two fish of the same species fighting in the ocean, chances are, the British are behind it.”

A winning strategy is a winning strategy, after all.

[Novus America]

There is a saying (I believe it’s Arab) that goes like, “I you see two fish of the same species fighting in the ocean, chances are, the British are behind it.”

A winning strategy is a winning strategy, after all.

While true, it is still a self defeating denial of responsibility to blame only others.
While the British did use divide and conquer against Arabs, the reason it worked so well is because many Arabs are so willing to fight each other.

Arabs were fighting Arabs long before the UK even existed.

[Benuty]

You can talk, but that doesn't mean establishments will care to listen. Case in point try having a satanist deliver a prayer in a catholic majority legislature, and see how well that goes over.

I’d say it depends on how Catholic they are

I mean when your religion embodies the head of another religion's top evil as bold, progressive, and woke even the most watered down catholic (or protestant for that matter) might get triggered into becoming a fundamentalist.

[Fahran]

I mean when your religion embodies the head of another religion's top evil as bold, progressive, and woke even the most watered down catholic (or protestant for that matter) might get triggered into becoming a fundamentalist.

It's weird to me that you'd support the losing side in Christianity instead of simply finding another religion and/or mythological figure.

[Fahran]

To get back on topic, at the beginning of this week, General Abdel Fattah al-Burhan of Sudan met with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. This is the first time an official and open diplomatic meeting has occurred between representatives of Sudan and Israel since the former achieved independence in 1956, and some have speculated that this could eventually lead to normalization between the two countries. While it has largely been kept under wraps in Sudan and the cabinet asserts that they had minimal knowledge of the meeting before hand, it was largely arranged by the UAE with Saudi and Egyptian tacit approval. Palestinian leadership has responded by calling it "a stab in the back", continuing the rhetorical trend began earlier this month.

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