In “Treacherous Stab”, Bahrain Normalises Tie With Israel

[Insaanistan]

So because non-Muslims were taxed for protection, a tax Muslims didn’t pay only because they already were forced to pay zakat, which was often higher than jizya, the tax is bad?

Being taxed for protection is no better than the mob deciding that you need to pay them for protection

I don’t think the mob was a functioning government or that it cared whether or not you were sick, unemployed, poor, a woman, an elder, or a kid. I also don’t think they’d pay you your money back,

[Aureumterra]

Being taxed for protection is no better than the mob deciding that you need to pay them for protection

I don’t think the mob was a functioning government or that it cared whether or not you were sick, unemployed, poor, a woman, an elder, or a kid. I also don’t think they’d pay you your money back,

To use your own non-arguments against you:

"You call massacring infidels a functioning government?"

[Insaanistan]

The attacks on civilians are tragic, and I am not a Hamas supporter, however, did you forget the innocent Gaza civilians being bombed again for weeks now?

And you are aware that Hamas uses civilians as shields right? They aren’t innocent in this any more than Israel

Again, not a Hamas supporter, but I don’t think Palestinian village=secret Hamas outpost.

[Insaanistan]

I don’t think the mob was a functioning government or that it cared whether or not you were sick, unemployed, poor, a woman, an elder, or a kid. I also don’t think they’d pay you your money back,

To use your own non-arguments against you:

"You call massacring infidels a functioning government?"

Many, many Islamic empires or emperors did not kill people based on faith. Maybe if you cracked open a non-Eurocentric history book you’d learn that.

[Insaanistan]

Palestinians and Palestine supporters worldwide held protests today, on a day that is now being call Yawm Aswad “the Black Day”, as the Emirates, Bahrain and Israel held a signing ceremony. A majority of Arabs in the Arab world are against recognizing Israel, with Bahrain in particular having a largely Iran-supporting Shiā population ruled by Saudi aligned Sunnis; however, their leaders care not about their cries. Morocco and Qatar have already condemned the UAE/Bahraini decision, as has Muslim Ghanaian Parliamentarian Ras Mubarak, who compared the plight of Palestinian to apartheid.

[Feline Goetland]

[quote="Insaanistan";p="37653632"]Palestinians and Palestine supporters worldwide held protests today, on a day that is now being call Yawm Aswad “the Black Day”, as the Emirates, Bahrain and Israel held a signing ceremony. A majority of Arabs in the Arab world are against recognizing Israel, with Bahrain in particular having a largely Iran-supporting Shiā population ruled by Saudi aligned Sunnis; however, their leaders care not about their cries. Morocco and Qatar have already condemned the UAE/Bahraini decision, as has Muslim Ghanaian Parliamentarian Ras Mubarak, who compared the plight of Palestinian to apartheid.[/quite]

That does not negate the fact that Israel is very important to the tech progress of the world.

[Feline Goetland]

Palestinians and Palestine supporters worldwide held protests today, on a day that is now being call Yawm Aswad “the Black Day”, as the Emirates, Bahrain and Israel held a signing ceremony. A majority of Arabs in the Arab world are against recognizing Israel, with Bahrain in particular having a largely Iran-supporting Shiā population ruled by Saudi aligned Sunnis; however, their leaders care not about their cries. Morocco and Qatar have already condemned the UAE/Bahraini decision, as has Muslim Ghanaian Parliamentarian Ras Mubarak, who compared the plight of Palestinian to apartheid.

That does not negate the fact that Israel is very important to the tech progress of the world. I do need to mention that Israel actually provides plenty of aid to friendly African countries. Jews and Israel are why you have your computer / phone with which you bash them. Moreover they are kind enough to tolerate your speech, unlike Xi, Kim and Lukashenko. Please don’t bite the hand that feeds you.

https://www.israel21c.org/top-22-ways-i ... ree-years/

[VlaRiSsiA]

Palestinians and Palestine supporters worldwide held protests today, on a day that is now being call Yawm Aswad “the Black Day”, as the Emirates, Bahrain and Israel held a signing ceremony. A majority of Arabs in the Arab world are against recognizing Israel, with Bahrain in particular having a largely Iran-supporting Shiā population ruled by Saudi aligned Sunnis; however, their leaders care not about their cries. Morocco and Qatar have already condemned the UAE/Bahraini decision, as has Muslim Ghanaian Parliamentarian Ras Mubarak, who compared the plight of Palestinian to apartheid.

That does not negate the fact that Israel is very important to the tech progress of the world. I do need to mention that Israel actually provides plenty of aid to friendly African countries. Jews and Israel are why you have your computer / phone with which you bash them. Moreover they are kind enough to tolerate your speech, unlike Xi, Kim and Lukashenko. Please don’t bite the hand that feeds you.

https://www.israel21c.org/top-22-ways-i ... ree-years/

Just because a country has freedom of expression doesn’t automatically cancel out every single crime committed by its government. By that logic, colonial Belgium, the nation that singlehandedly killed 15 million Congolese, did nothing wrong since it was a democracy. I believe in full freedom but a country should not be excluded from consequences of its actions just by its government type.

[Major-Tom]

That does not negate the fact that Israel is very important to the tech progress of the world. I do need to mention that Israel actually provides plenty of aid to friendly African countries. Jews and Israel are why you have your computer / phone with which you bash them. Moreover they are kind enough to tolerate your speech, unlike Xi, Kim and Lukashenko. Please don’t bite the hand that feeds you.

https://www.israel21c.org/top-22-ways-i ... ree-years/

Just because a country has freedom of expression doesn’t automatically cancel out every single crime committed by its government. By that logic, colonial Belgium, the nation that singlehandedly killed 15 million Congolese, did nothing wrong since it was a democracy. I believe in full freedom but a country should not be excluded from consequences of its actions just by its government type.

Can we stop comparing Israel to a genocidal, bloodthirsty regime? For god's sake, the US alone makes Israel look like child's play, and Hamas and Fatah respectively make the Israeli government look like hippies.

Netanyahu and other Likud governments have had far too xenophobic and nationalistic policies on the Palestinian issue, that much can be conceded. But the idea that Palestine is the sole victim here is an idea stemming from a fantasy, especially in contrast to Israel's history with it's neighbors, and most notably, its status as the sole democracy in the region besides Tunisia.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Just because a country has freedom of expression doesn’t automatically cancel out every single crime committed by its government. By that logic, colonial Belgium, the nation that singlehandedly killed 15 million Congolese, did nothing wrong since it was a democracy. I believe in full freedom but a country should not be excluded from consequences of its actions just by its government type.

Can we stop comparing Israel to a genocidal, bloodthirsty regime? For god's sake, the US alone makes Israel look like child's play, and Hamas and Fatah respectively make the Israeli government look like hippies.

Netanyahu and other Likud governments have had far too xenophobic and nationalistic policies on the Palestinian issue, that much can be conceded. But the idea that Palestine is the sole victim here is an idea stemming from a fantasy, especially in contrast to Israel's history with it's neighbors, and most notably, its status as the sole democracy in the region besides Tunisia.

Its status a democracy means nothing and has no value unless you're a mindless ideologue who prioritizes garbage like that above all else. Its engaged in ethnic cleansing for decades and Gaza is effectively a larger Warsaw Ghetto that they occasionally drop cluster bombs into. Either those things are deal breakers or they aren't.

Sure Palestinian groups like Hamas fuck with Israel, but they're effectively harmless and can do nothing in the grand scheme of things. They're never going to dismantle the state of drive the Jews into the sea.

Thank fuck Israeli support is nosediving among younger Americans at least, maybe we can excise ourselves of this cancerous relationship eventually.

[Feline Goetland]

That does not negate the fact that Israel is very important to the tech progress of the world. I do need to mention that Israel actually provides plenty of aid to friendly African countries. Jews and Israel are why you have your computer / phone with which you bash them. Moreover they are kind enough to tolerate your speech, unlike Xi, Kim and Lukashenko. Please don’t bite the hand that feeds you.

https://www.israel21c.org/top-22-ways-i ... ree-years/

Just because a country has freedom of expression doesn’t automatically cancel out every single crime committed by its government. By that logic, colonial Belgium, the nation that singlehandedly killed 15 million Congolese, did nothing wrong since it was a democracy. I believe in full freedom but a country should not be excluded from consequences of its actions just by its government type.

Belgium was a constitutional monarchy. Was Congo Free State a democracy? Was there freedom of expression in the CFS? In order to burn people a government will first burn books.

[Feline Goetland]

Can we stop comparing Israel to a genocidal, bloodthirsty regime? For god's sake, the US alone makes Israel look like child's play, and Hamas and Fatah respectively make the Israeli government look like hippies.

Netanyahu and other Likud governments have had far too xenophobic and nationalistic policies on the Palestinian issue, that much can be conceded. But the idea that Palestine is the sole victim here is an idea stemming from a fantasy, especially in contrast to Israel's history with it's neighbors, and most notably, its status as the sole democracy in the region besides Tunisia.

Its status a democracy means nothing and has no value unless you're a mindless ideologue who prioritizes garbage like that above all else. Its engaged in ethnic cleansing for decades and Gaza is effectively a larger Warsaw Ghetto that they occasionally drop cluster bombs into. Either those things are deal breakers or they aren't.

Sure Palestinian groups like Hamas fuck with Israel, but they're effectively harmless and can do nothing in the grand scheme of things. They're never going to dismantle the state of drive the Jews into the sea.

Thank fuck Israeli support is nosediving among younger Americans at least, maybe we can excise ourselves of this cancerous relationship eventually.

Gaza is a larger Warsaw Ghetto?

Ok. What’s the level of ration in Gaza? What about the Gestapo or its supposed Israeli equivalent? Does Israel also secretly control Egypt and that any Egyptian aid to Gazans would be punishable by death? Oh and where is the collaborationist ghetto police? Where are the Israeli flags in the ghetto? Wait it isn’t even in Israel and Gazans actually dare to commit terrorism against Israelis without Israelis pulling off a massacre, let alone deportation and extermination of the entire population? WHAT???

[Major-Tom]

Can we stop comparing Israel to a genocidal, bloodthirsty regime? For god's sake, the US alone makes Israel look like child's play, and Hamas and Fatah respectively make the Israeli government look like hippies.

Netanyahu and other Likud governments have had far too xenophobic and nationalistic policies on the Palestinian issue, that much can be conceded. But the idea that Palestine is the sole victim here is an idea stemming from a fantasy, especially in contrast to Israel's history with it's neighbors, and most notably, its status as the sole democracy in the region besides Tunisia.

Its status a democracy means nothing and has no value unless you're a mindless ideologue who prioritizes garbage like that above all else. Its engaged in ethnic cleansing for decades and Gaza is effectively a larger Warsaw Ghetto that they occasionally drop cluster bombs into. Either those things are deal breakers or they aren't.

Sure Palestinian groups like Hamas fuck with Israel, but they're effectively harmless and can do nothing in the grand scheme of things. They're never going to dismantle the state of drive the Jews into the sea.

Thank fuck Israeli support is nosediving among younger Americans at least, maybe we can excise ourselves of this cancerous relationship eventually.

I'm not agreeing with their policies on Gaza, I think a grudging co-existence without a blockade is the best approach, though the blockade only begun when Hamas took control of the strip, a group whose core ideology is extermination of Judaism and the Jewish people. And that's not hyperbole.

What I'm saying is that to compare Israel to a genocidal regime is disingenuous, as is any comparison of Israel to a shining beacon on a hill. It's a murky grey area, muddled with the complexities of the past and Israel's decades long journey to find a situation in which they can survive within that region.

I should be more clear, Israel's status as a democracy and secular state alone isn't what elevates it or makes it "better," and Israel's policies in the last decade warrant a lot of just criticism. I think one can take the middle road and say that Palestinian government, or what they have of one, is a fundamental evil, and the current Israeli administration is rapidly becoming authoritarian and far too callous and jingoistic in their treatment of Palestinians. I just don't know what the solution is, it is a grand old mess.

[Feline Goetland]

Its status a democracy means nothing and has no value unless you're a mindless ideologue who prioritizes garbage like that above all else. Its engaged in ethnic cleansing for decades and Gaza is effectively a larger Warsaw Ghetto that they occasionally drop cluster bombs into. Either those things are deal breakers or they aren't.

Sure Palestinian groups like Hamas fuck with Israel, but they're effectively harmless and can do nothing in the grand scheme of things. They're never going to dismantle the state of drive the Jews into the sea.

Thank fuck Israeli support is nosediving among younger Americans at least, maybe we can excise ourselves of this cancerous relationship eventually.

I'm not agreeing with their policies on Gaza, I think a grudging co-existence without a blockade is the best approach, though the blockade only begun when Hamas took control of the strip, a group whose core ideology is extermination of Judaism and the Jewish people. And that's not hyperbole.

What I'm saying is that to compare Israel to a genocidal regime is disingenuous, as is any comparison of Israel to a shining beacon on a hill. It's a murky grey area, muddled with the complexities of the past and Israel's decades long journey to find a situation in which they can survive within that region.

I should be more clear, Israel's status as a democracy and secular state alone isn't what elevates it or makes it "better," and Israel's policies in the last decade warrant a lot of just criticism. I think one can take the middle road and say that Palestinian government, or what they have of one, is a fundamental evil, and the current Israeli administration is rapidly becoming authoritarian and far too callous and jingoistic in their treatment of Palestinians. I just don't know what the solution is, it is a grand old mess.

Can we really just help Palestinians move to Jordan, Latin America or somewhere else where they are actually socially and politically accepted? Israel should pay for the trips as well as the land. Problem solved.

[Celestial Provinces]

Its status a democracy means nothing and has no value unless you're a mindless ideologue who prioritizes garbage like that above all else. Its engaged in ethnic cleansing for decades and Gaza is effectively a larger Warsaw Ghetto that they occasionally drop cluster bombs into. Either those things are deal breakers or they aren't.

Sure Palestinian groups like Hamas fuck with Israel, but they're effectively harmless and can do nothing in the grand scheme of things. They're never going to dismantle the state of drive the Jews into the sea.

Thank fuck Israeli support is nosediving among younger Americans at least, maybe we can excise ourselves of this cancerous relationship eventually.

I'm not agreeing with their policies on Gaza, I think a grudging co-existence without a blockade is the best approach, though the blockade only begun when Hamas took control of the strip, a group whose core ideology is extermination of Judaism and the Jewish people. And that's not hyperbole.

What I'm saying is that to compare Israel to a genocidal regime is disingenuous, as is any comparison of Israel to a shining beacon on a hill. It's a murky grey area, muddled with the complexities of the past and Israel's decades long journey to find a situation in which they can survive within that region.

I should be more clear, Israel's status as a democracy and secular state alone isn't what elevates it or makes it "better," and Israel's policies in the last decade warrant a lot of just criticism. I think one can take the middle road and say that Palestinian government, or what they have of one, is a fundamental evil, and the current Israeli administration is rapidly becoming authoritarian and far too callous and jingoistic in their treatment of Palestinians. I just don't know what the solution is, it is a grand old mess.

Yes

[Washington Resistance Army]

I'm not agreeing with their policies on Gaza, I think a grudging co-existence without a blockade is the best approach, though the blockade only begun when Hamas took control of the strip, a group whose core ideology is extermination of Judaism and the Jewish people. And that's not hyperbole.

What I'm saying is that to compare Israel to a genocidal regime is disingenuous, as is any comparison of Israel to a shining beacon on a hill. It's a murky grey area, muddled with the complexities of the past and Israel's decades long journey to find a situation in which they can survive within that region.

I should be more clear, Israel's status as a democracy and secular state alone isn't what elevates it or makes it "better," and Israel's policies in the last decade warrant a lot of just criticism. I think one can take the middle road and say that Palestinian government, or what they have of one, is a fundamental evil, and the current Israeli administration is rapidly becoming authoritarian and far too callous and jingoistic in their treatment of Palestinians. I just don't know what the solution is, it is a grand old mess.

Can you really blame people for turning to Hamas? If I was Palestinian and saw everything my people have gone through over the past 80 years I'd probably be right with them ideologically. All things considered it's a pretty sensible reaction on the part of the Palestinian people when you look at it objectively and non-emotionally. Likewise with Israel this isn't a "last decade" of policies that are the problem. It's been an ongoing and decades long process that far predates the current batch of Israeli leaders and the moment that first partition was put into effect the only outcomes became either the destruction of Israel or the destruction of Palestine.

I really don't think it's a stretch to call the Israeli government a fundamental evil either. You should look into how many terrorists and or war criminals they've elected as prime minister. Having any horse in this race means you're supporting a brutally awful side no matter what, it just comes down to what you view as more important and who is more deserving of your support.

Can we really just help Palestinians move to Jordan, Latin America or somewhere else where they are actually socially and politically accepted? Israel should pay for the trips as well as the land. Problem solved.

Nowhere in the world wants to take Palestinians or accepts them. Egypt doesn't want them, Jordan doesn't want them, Syria doesn't want them, Lebanon doesn't want them. The list goes on and on.

[Northern Davincia]

Oh, so they were separate but equal. Got it

If by they, you mean their taxes, then still no, Muslim zakat was usually higher. The people? Regularly mingling and equal. You guys do remember I’m black and American, right?

We remember. We also remember that non-Muslims were not afforded the same rights as Muslims in countries you apologize for.

[Insaanistan]

If by they, you mean their taxes, then still no, Muslim zakat was usually higher. The people? Regularly mingling and equal. You guys do remember I’m black and American, right?

We remember. We also remember that non-Muslims were not afforded the same rights as Muslims in countries you apologize for.

What countries do I apologize for? I don’t think I’ve ever done that.

[UniversalCommons]

There is nothing to apologize for. No one has been right for a long time. Shut down the situation by doing something else. Give people a chance to live in peace.

[Novus America]

Sure...Why did they vote for Hamas though? Without Hamas terrorism Israelis couldn’t care less about Gaza.

No. Israel would either bomb it, annex it, or both. Palestinian often vote for Hamas simply out of knowing Hamas won’t cave in, which is just sad.

No, this shows a complete lack of understanding of the situation or the history. Before the Hamas takeover it was left alone for several years, recovering and improving. Then Hamas destroyed it.

Gaza was not part of the historic Israel, has a population too large for Israel to deal with, and no real value to Israel from any perspective. If Israel could cut it off cartoon style and have it float away as an island they would be perfectly happy with that.

Israel has no desire to annex it. If they wanted to why would they have not done it when they could have?
Hamas is not stopping them, if Israel wanted too they could march in any day. But it would not be worth it, being stuck trying to rule a large hostile people on a land of little to no value to Israel. .

And although Israel is often excessive in its retaliations, it does not bomb it for the LOLs.

Israel does not want it, but they do not know how to make the problem go away.
So they keep doing what they have been doing. Seeing no other option.
Which I kind of understand. If I was made PM of Israel tomorrow I would not know what to do about Gaza.
I do not like the blockade, or the bombing. But simply stopping them would not solve anything either, because Hamas would just bring in more, and more weapons, and keep attacking more and more.

There are no easy answers here.

[Novus America]

But this only tangentially involves the Palestinian Arabs anyways. Bahrain and the UAE are not Palestinians, and have other concerns to deal with, which to them have priority, especially after the Palestinian Arab leadership made some very stupid diplomatic decisions, harming its relations with them. The Palestinian Arab government has worked against Bahrain and the UAE’s interests, so naturally they have no practical reason to help a government that works against them.
A common religion and language family does not override more practical concerns.

Although this particular thing actually will help the Arab Palestinians, because Israel will not want to lose the diplomatic gains it just made, it will be more cautious.

When Israel had not friends in the region, it had nothing to lose. Now it does have something to lose.

The fact is the past strategy of refusing to recognize Israel did not work for them, as such it makes sense to try something new.

[Vistulange]

I should be more clear, Israel's status as a democracy and secular state alone isn't what elevates it or makes it "better," and Israel's policies in the last decade warrant a lot of just criticism. I think one can take the middle road and say that Palestinian government, or what they have of one, is a fundamental evil, and the current Israeli administration is rapidly becoming authoritarian and far too callous and jingoistic in their treatment of Palestinians. I just don't know what the solution is, it is a grand old mess.

Israel is not a secular country. It never has been. It never claimed to be. Ever since the Status Quo Agreement, religion has been an integral part of Israeli politics, and nowadays, you can thank parties such as Shas and the UTJ for it being an ongoing issue. The entire debacle surrounding the Israeli government and its formation for the last one and a half years has been due to religion's role in politics. Ben Gurion and the Labour Zionists may have built a country, but they did so by giving concessions to the ultra-Orthodox, and so there they stand.

We remember. We also remember that non-Muslims were not afforded the same rights as Muslims in countries you apologize for.

What countries do I apologize for? I don’t think I’ve ever done that.

You don't apologise for countries, you apologise for the misdeeds that happen to have been perpetrated by Muslims.

[Novus America]

Don't let facts get in the way of hating Jews.

Anti-Zionism isn’t anti-Semitism.

While technically anti Zionist is not necessarily inherently anti-Semitic, given at this point that Israel does exist, most people there were born there, and we are really in a post-Zionist phase, it is difficult to justify opposing Israel’s existence at this point, unless you oppose the existence of states in their entirety.

If you allow the existence of other states, but not Israel, that hypocrisy raises legitimate methods regarding motives. If you hold Israel to a standard far greater than other places for existence, excessively focus on it, why is a fair question.

Now if it was still the 1930s the situation would be different. But it is not. Being anti-Zionist at this point is hard to justify given Israel exists, has existed longer than many other states, and the population there is overwhelmingly born there.

Now being critical of Israeli government policy is not inherently anti-Semitic at all. But that is not necessarily anti-Zionist either. Or require denying it has a right to exist. For example I am critical of the US government’s policies quite often. But I am obviously not hostile to the the existence of the US or its people. I simply want it to have better policies.

So while one should not conflate opposition to certain Israeli government policies with anti Semitism, nor should the conflate it with opposition to Israeli’s existence, which is what “anti-Zionism” is at this point in time, given again Zionism was already executed and cannot reasonably be undone.

[Kowani]

Anti-Zionism isn’t anti-Semitism.

While technically anti Zionist is not necessarily inherently anti-Semitic, given at this point that Israel does exist, most people there were born there, and we are really in a post-Zionist phase, it is difficult to justify opposing Israel’s existence at this point, unless you oppose the existence of states in their entirety.

Case example, me. I cam get away with anti-Zionism because I don't think nations should exist at all.
But most people think I'm a wacko.

[Novus America]

While technically anti Zionist is not necessarily inherently anti-Semitic, given at this point that Israel does exist, most people there were born there, and we are really in a post-Zionist phase, it is difficult to justify opposing Israel’s existence at this point, unless you oppose the existence of states in their entirety.

Case example, me. I cam get away with anti-Zionism because I don't think nations should exist at all.
But most people think I'm a wacko.

Sure, but then you are not really anti Zionist specifically. You oppose the existence of nation states in general, but not the future establishment of a Jewish one in the Levant in particular (which again is silly to really specifically support or oppose, now that it is already done).

The issue is most people who claim to oppose Zionism support the establishment of another nation in the place of Israel.
Support other nations existing.

You are an outlier. You can get away with it because your outside the box (maybe outside the realm of sanity) ideology and views, but most others do not have that benefit.