In “Treacherous Stab”, Bahrain Normalises Tie With Israel

[Insaanistan]

Recognition of a country's existence is not based on immoral actions, especially singular events.

And yet you expect the Jews to be oppressed under Muslim rule.

Ever heard of dhimmis?

Jewish people are a lot less willing to kill people compared to their neighbors. This is of course why Palestinians actually exist.

You realize that in most Islamic empires, dhimmis were treated well and as equals. Even when the law labeled them second class citizens, even in many of those empires they weren’t treated that way. As for the jizya, it was often less than the zakat Muslims had to pay. Minors, the elderly, the unemployed, the poor, and women all were not to pay jizya, and jizya was to be refunded to those it was collected from if the ruler failed to protect the dhimmis. But that wouldn’t fit your “iZlAm bAd” narrative, would it?

[Fahran]

After weeks of the Israeli bombing in Gaza and the recent deals between Israel and Bahrain and the UAE brokered by the US, Hamas has fired several rockets into Israel, injuring 13.

The bombing campaign by Israel was initiated following the detonation of home-made rockets and incendiary balloons in southern Israel, allegedly by the militant-wing of Hamas. In short, Hamas committed an act of war on behalf of the population of Gaza and has had its facilities and the surrounding areas targeted in retaliation. These bombings have caused a lot of collateral damage and have resulted in civilian casualties as well.

[Feline Goetland]

There is no such thing as Israeli oppression. Instead my question is: why are there so many Palestinians in refugee camps as opposed to in Americas? Arabs do very well in Latin America and pretty well in Anglo Americas as well.

And Ghana and Nigeria (where my parents grew up) too. You seem to not realize that Arabs in these countries are generally Lebanese and Syrian (often times Christians rather than Muslims), who leave in search of finding new jobs. Most aren’t really refugees. Most immigrated to their new homes decades before the conflicts we think of. Palestinians generally have few resources, considering they are oppressed, and they are faced with a whole lot of problems that make moving to the West near impossible.

I do realize that they are usually Lebanese and Syrian and had been in Americas for a long time. However Palestinian emigration to these countries does happen and in fact the president of El Salvador is Palestinian. That’s definitely a way out.

[Northern Davincia]

Ever heard of dhimmis?

Jewish people are a lot less willing to kill people compared to their neighbors. This is of course why Palestinians actually exist.

You realize that in most Islamic empires, dhimmis were treated well and as equals. Even when the law labeled them second class citizens, even in many of those empires they weren’t treated that way. As for the jizya, it was often less than the zakat Muslims had to pay. Minors, the elderly, the unemployed, the poor, and women all were not to pay jizya, and jizya was to be refunded to those it was collected from if the ruler failed to protect the dhimmis. But that wouldn’t fit your “iZlAm bAd” narrative, would it?

The fact that such a tax exists at all is bad, yes. It doesn't matter if it wasn't so bad in practice, it was bad in reasoning.

[VlaRiSsiA]

I see nothing that says that. There are however several on the bombing campaigns against Gaza going on right now.

13 Injured in Rocket attack

That’s pretty horrible, but pales in comparison to the 10,000 Palestinians killed in the last decade. Each day several innocent Gazan civilians who literally did nothing wrong but exist get killed by the IDF. Hamas is very aggressive, but it is nothing compared to the IDF in strength and brutality. For each Israeli injured by a Hamas rocket, a hundred gazans get slaughtered by a barrage of carpet bombs. That is the definition of undeserved retribution. Before you call me an anti-Semite, just remember that I can tell the difference between people and government. Saying condemnation of the Israeli government for its atrocities is like saying hatred of the oppressive CCP is sinophobic or hatred of the tyrannical House of Saud is Islamophobic

[VlaRiSsiA]

After weeks of the Israeli bombing in Gaza and the recent deals between Israel and Bahrain and the UAE brokered by the US, Hamas has fired several rockets into Israel, injuring 13.

The bombing campaign by Israel was initiated following the detonation of home-made rockets and incendiary balloons in southern Israel, allegedly by the militant-wing of Hamas. In short, Hamas committed an act of war on behalf of the population of Gaza and has had its facilities and the surrounding areas targeted in retaliation. These bombings have caused a lot of collateral damage and have resulted in civilian casualties as well.

So because a bomb was detonated, you can massacre hundreds of civilians who likely don’t even know about the bomb in the first place.

[Feline Goetland]

13 Injured in Rocket attack

That’s pretty horrible, but pales in comparison to the 10,000 Palestinians killed in the last decade. Each day several innocent Gazan civilians who literally did nothing wrong but exist get killed by the IDF. Hamas is very aggressive, but it is nothing compared to the IDF in strength and brutality. For each Israeli injured by a Hamas rocket, a hundred gazans get slaughtered by a barrage of carpet bombs. That is the definition of undeserved retribution. Before you call me an anti-Semite, just remember that I can tell the difference between people and government. Saying condemnation of the Israeli government for its atrocities is like saying hatred of the oppressive CCP is sinophobic or hatred of the tyrannical House of Saud is Islamophobic

Excuse me? Israelis don’t actually have intention to kill anyone. It is militant groups that absurdly kept trying to terrorize Israel which has to be dealt with. They are already much nicer than what other countries would have done..

[Insaanistan]

You realize that in most Islamic empires, dhimmis were treated well and as equals. Even when the law labeled them second class citizens, even in many of those empires they weren’t treated that way. As for the jizya, it was often less than the zakat Muslims had to pay. Minors, the elderly, the unemployed, the poor, and women all were not to pay jizya, and jizya was to be refunded to those it was collected from if the ruler failed to protect the dhimmis. But that wouldn’t fit your “iZlAm bAd” narrative, would it?

The fact that such a tax exists at all is bad, yes. It doesn't matter if it wasn't so bad in practice, it was bad in reasoning.

So because non-Muslims were taxed for protection, a tax Muslims didn’t pay only because they already were forced to pay zakat, which was often higher than jizya, the tax is bad?

[Feline Goetland]

The bombing campaign by Israel was initiated following the detonation of home-made rockets and incendiary balloons in southern Israel, allegedly by the militant-wing of Hamas. In short, Hamas committed an act of war on behalf of the population of Gaza and has had its facilities and the surrounding areas targeted in retaliation. These bombings have caused a lot of collateral damage and have resulted in civilian casualties as well.

So because a bomb was detonated, you can massacre hundreds of civilians who likely don’t even know about the bomb in the first place.

Why the hell are bombs randomly detonated around Israel then? Will you like it if missiles fall in your town every year? That’s terrorism.

[Northern Davincia]

The fact that such a tax exists at all is bad, yes. It doesn't matter if it wasn't so bad in practice, it was bad in reasoning.

So because non-Muslims were taxed for protection, a tax Muslims didn’t pay only because they already were forced to pay zakat, which was often higher than jizya, the tax is bad?

Why not have a single, standardized tax? You can try to justify religious discrimination however you like, but don't tell me it was a good thing.

[Insaanistan]

That’s pretty horrible, but pales in comparison to the 10,000 Palestinians killed in the last decade. Each day several innocent Gazan civilians who literally did nothing wrong but exist get killed by the IDF. Hamas is very aggressive, but it is nothing compared to the IDF in strength and brutality. For each Israeli injured by a Hamas rocket, a hundred gazans get slaughtered by a barrage of carpet bombs. That is the definition of undeserved retribution. Before you call me an anti-Semite, just remember that I can tell the difference between people and government. Saying condemnation of the Israeli government for its atrocities is like saying hatred of the oppressive CCP is sinophobic or hatred of the tyrannical House of Saud is Islamophobic

Excuse me? Israelis don’t actually have intention to kill anyone. It is militant groups that absurdly kept trying to terrorize Israel which has to be dealt with. They are already much nicer than what other countries would have done..

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... Z7XIvC0UFh

I’m sorry, what?

[Insaanistan]

So because a bomb was detonated, you can massacre hundreds of civilians who likely don’t even know about the bomb in the first place.

Why the hell are bombs randomly detonated around Israel then? Will you like it if missiles fall in your town every year?

No. I wouldn’t. I’m sure the Palestinians going through that don’t like it either.

[Feline Goetland]

Why the hell are bombs randomly detonated around Israel then? Will you like it if missiles fall in your town every year?

No. I wouldn’t. I’m sure the Palestinians going through that don’t like it either.

Then they need to learn to live with Israel. I mean ethnic hatred does exist on this planet but not even Serbia and Croatia bomb each other every weekend for lulz.

[Insaanistan]

So because non-Muslims were taxed for protection, a tax Muslims didn’t pay only because they already were forced to pay zakat, which was often higher than jizya, the tax is bad?

Why not have a single, standardized tax? You can try to justify religious discrimination however you like, but don't tell me it was a good thing.

Are you seriously telling me that you’re so anti-Muslim that a tax usually lower than the tax mandatory for Muslims, the the tax that is refundable, is discrimination? Against who? Against Muslims?

Why would it be the same when the zakat is for Muslims only, and making non-Muslims pay it would be forcing shariā on non-Muslims, which Islam forbids?

[Insaanistan]

No. I wouldn’t. I’m sure the Palestinians going through that don’t like it either.

Then they need to learn to live with Israel. I mean ethnic hatred does exist on this planet but not even Serbia and Croatia bomb each other every weekend for lulz.

Tell that to those Bosnian Muslims Serbia genocided.

Are you serious? So victims of abuse just need to learn to live with their abusers?

[VlaRiSsiA]

That’s pretty horrible, but pales in comparison to the 10,000 Palestinians killed in the last decade. Each day several innocent Gazan civilians who literally did nothing wrong but exist get killed by the IDF. Hamas is very aggressive, but it is nothing compared to the IDF in strength and brutality. For each Israeli injured by a Hamas rocket, a hundred gazans get slaughtered by a barrage of carpet bombs. That is the definition of undeserved retribution. Before you call me an anti-Semite, just remember that I can tell the difference between people and government. Saying condemnation of the Israeli government for its atrocities is like saying hatred of the oppressive CCP is sinophobic or hatred of the tyrannical House of Saud is Islamophobic

Excuse me? Israelis don’t actually have intention to kill anyone. It is militant groups that absurdly kept trying to terrorize Israel which has to be dealt with. They are already much nicer than what other countries would have done..

Neither do Palestinians. You consntantly ignore the fact that thousands of Palestinian civilians have been slaughtered by the IDF. Also, you ignore the part where I am explicitly blaming the government, not the people. The 27 Israelis killed by hamas over the course of a decade certainly didn’t deserve to die, but neither did the up to 10,000 Palestinians who died in the same period

[Fahran]

You realize that in most Islamic empires, dhimmis were treated well and as equals.

In al-Andalus, the Umayyad Caliphate, the Abbaside Caliphate, the Ayyubid Sultanate, and the Ottoman Empire, at least on the broadest level, that wasn't really true. Clear religious and ethnic hierarchies existed in al-Andalus and the Umayyad Caliphate in particular with descendants of the Quraysh on top, Qahtanite Arabs below them, Adnanite Arabs a bit further down, Persian/Iberian/Amazigh Muslims often excluded from positions of power, Jews often managing to be less persecuted by Muslims than by Catholics, Christians near the bottom, and people who were not People of the Book at the bottom and subject to genocide and/or forced conversion. This sparked numerous non-Arab rebellions and, in one of the rare instances where a Jew did hold hereditary power as an equal to Muslim aristocrats, a pogrom occurred. Dhimmis weren't supposed to be subject to systematic persecution beyond having to pay taxes, being forbidden from holding arms, and such, but they definitely weren't equals.

Even when the law labeled them second class citizens, even in many of those empires they weren’t treated that way. As for the jizya, it was often less than the zakat Muslims had to pay. Minors, the elderly, the unemployed, the poor, and women all were not to pay jizya, and jizya was to be refunded to those it was collected from if the ruler failed to protect the dhimmis. But that wouldn’t fit your “iZlAm bAd” narrative, would it?

I don't think Islam is bad necessarily. I do think the social hierarchy that predominated in the medieval Dar as-Salaam was far from egalitarian or tolerant by modern standards. Modern Morocco or Turkey are probably far more equitable in how they treat religious minorities than Saladin, Hisham I, or Abd ar-Rahman III would have been.

[Feline Goetland]

Then they need to learn to live with Israel. I mean ethnic hatred does exist on this planet but not even Serbia and Croatia bomb each other every weekend for lulz.

Tell that to those Bosnian Muslims Serbia genocided.

Are you serious? So victims of abuse just need to learn to live with their abusers?

That was in early 1990s. We are in 2020. Do we have Chetniks and Ustasha roaming around murdering people every week any more? The war has ended and it’s time for peace. Do you believe warfare needs to be eternal, that is, if Tribe A and Tribe B fought in 1950 they must continue to fight against each other in 2000 and 2050?

[Fahran]

So because a bomb was detonated, you can massacre hundreds of civilians who likely don’t even know about the bomb in the first place.

I don't think hundreds of civilians have died in the latest flare up in tensions between Israel and Gaza. According to al-Jazeera, the principal targets thus far have been Hamas weapons depots and sites. I have read about a pregnant woman being inadvertently struck, which is awful and makes my heart sad. That said, my stance on this is more of a general "war is a bad time" and "Israel should be more precise in its bombings" than a "Israel shouldn't bomb Hamas sites in Gaza."

[Insaanistan]

Excuse me? Israelis don’t actually have intention to kill anyone. It is militant groups that absurdly kept trying to terrorize Israel which has to be dealt with. They are already much nicer than what other countries would have done..

Neither do Palestinians. You consntantly ignore the fact that thousands of Palestinian civilians have been slaughtered by the IDF. Also, you ignore the part where I am explicitly blaming the government, not the people. The 27 Israelis killed by hamas over the course of a decade certainly didn’t deserve to die, but neither did the up to 10,000 Palestinians who died in the same period

Thank you!

[Feline Goetland]

So because a bomb was detonated, you can massacre hundreds of civilians who likely don’t even know about the bomb in the first place.

I don't think hundreds of civilians have died in the latest flare up in tensions between Israel and Gaza. According to al-Jazeera, the principal targets thus far have been Hamas weapons depots and sites. I have read about a pregnant woman being inadvertently struck, which is awful and makes my heart sad. That said, my stance on this is more of a general "war is a bad time" and "Israel should be more precise in its bombings" than a "Israel shouldn't bomb Hamas sites in Gaza."

It should be more like “Israel should destroy Hamas once and for all”. Gaza Strip probably needs to be run by UN. Then the war will end.

[Northern Davincia]

Why not have a single, standardized tax? You can try to justify religious discrimination however you like, but don't tell me it was a good thing.

Are you seriously telling me that you’re so anti-Muslim that a tax usually lower than the tax mandatory for Muslims, the the tax that is refundable, is discrimination? Against who? Against Muslims?

Why would it be the same when the zakat is for Muslims only, and making non-Muslims pay it would be forcing shariā on non-Muslims, which Islam forbids?

It is discrimination because it is a religious tax. You really need to explain to me how this could ever be deemed equal treatment. Do you believe in separate-but-equal for races?
No one should have to pay a tax to practice their religion. If there must be taxes, it should be done with equality in mind.

[Insaanistan]

So because a bomb was detonated, you can massacre hundreds of civilians who likely don’t even know about the bomb in the first place.

I don't think hundreds of civilians have died in the latest flare up in tensions between Israel and Gaza. According to al-Jazeera, the principal targets thus far have been Hamas weapons depots and sites. I have read about a pregnant woman being inadvertently struck, which is awful and makes my heart sad. That said, my stance on this is more of a general "war is a bad time" and "Israel should be more precise in its bombings" than a "Israel shouldn't bomb Hamas sites in Gaza."

No one said they shouldn’t bomb Hamas. I hate Hamas. But... Israel’s military doesn’t really give a frick as to who in Palestine gets hit.

[Aureumterra]

Why not have a single, standardized tax? You can try to justify religious discrimination however you like, but don't tell me it was a good thing.

Are you seriously telling me that you’re so anti-Muslim that a tax usually lower than the tax mandatory for Muslims, the the tax that is refundable, is discrimination? Against who? Against Muslims?

Why would it be the same when the zakat is for Muslims only, and making non-Muslims pay it would be forcing shariā on non-Muslims, which Islam forbids?

Oh, so they were separate but equal. Got it

[VlaRiSsiA]

So because a bomb was detonated, you can massacre hundreds of civilians who likely don’t even know about the bomb in the first place.

Why the hell are bombs randomly detonated around Israel then? Will you like it if missiles fall in your town every year? That’s terrorism.

Yes that is terrorism, but so is shooting unarmed civilians, using WHITE PHOSPHORUS, or just routinely bombing Gazan civilians like it’s a literal game.