In “Treacherous Stab”, Bahrain Normalises Tie With Israel

[Northern Davincia]

I like this trend, because Israel is finally being treated like a fully functioning country

Nothing says functioning country like militarism, violating international law and apartheid.

All the major global powers engage in the first two, but Israel is not an apartheid state.

[Vistulange]

Daily reminder that referring to Israeli's relationship with the Occupied Territories and the Palestinians that lived there as "apartheid" is pretty damn disrespectful of actual black and other PoC South Africans who, up until the 1990's, which isn't all that long ago, actually lived under Apartheid.

Apartheid was fucked up beyond the shadow of a doubt, and for all of Israel's faults regarding its approach towards both Israeli Arabs and Palestinians, it's really not "apartheid", unless you're just using it as a byword for "discrimination", "racism", and so on. It's not. Apartheid was a very systematic and very institutional system of racial segregation, profiling, and hierarchy that was legally embedded in the very state structure of South Africa. Just...don't. Call it racism, call it discrimination, call it Arabophobia, call it Islamophobia, just don't call it apartheid, because it really isn't. There are a lot of other technical terms that could correspond to Israel, but "apartheid" simply isn't one of them.

[Aureumterra]

Daily reminder that referring to Israeli's relationship with the Occupied Territories and the Palestinians that lived there as "apartheid" is pretty damn disrespectful of actual black and other PoC South Africans who, up until the 1990's, which isn't all that long ago, actually lived under Apartheid.

Apartheid was fucked up beyond the shadow of a doubt, and for all of Israel's faults regarding its approach towards both Israeli Arabs and Palestinians, it's really not "apartheid", unless you're just using it as a byword for "discrimination", "racism", and so on. It's not. Apartheid was a very systematic and very institutional system of racial segregation, profiling, and hierarchy that was legally embedded in the very state structure of South Africa. Just...don't. Call it racism, call it discrimination, call it Arabophobia, call it Islamophobia, just don't call it apartheid, because it really isn't. There are a lot of other technical terms that could correspond to Israel, but "apartheid" simply isn't one of them.

Apartheid has become a buzzword for the Anti-Israel lobby, it’s a word that stokes emotion and legitimizes your cause

[Thermodolia]

https://www.economist.com/middle-east-a ... ace-israel

Serbia and Kosovo.

Serbia I get, but Kosovo? Don’t they know what it’s like to be a majority Muslim state that isn’t officially recognized by the whole world?

Kosovo is recognized by more of the world than Palestine

[Insaanistan]

Daily reminder that referring to Israeli's relationship with the Occupied Territories and the Palestinians that lived there as "apartheid" is pretty damn disrespectful of actual black and other PoC South Africans who, up until the 1990's, which isn't all that long ago, actually lived under Apartheid.

Apartheid was fucked up beyond the shadow of a doubt, and for all of Israel's faults regarding its approach towards both Israeli Arabs and Palestinians, it's really not "apartheid", unless you're just using it as a byword for "discrimination", "racism", and so on. It's not. Apartheid was a very systematic and very institutional system of racial segregation, profiling, and hierarchy that was legally embedded in the very state structure of South Africa. Just...don't. Call it racism, call it discrimination, call it Arabophobia, call it Islamophobia, just don't call it apartheid, because it really isn't. There are a lot of other technical terms that could correspond to Israel, but "apartheid" simply isn't one of them.

Daily reminder my family is from Ghana, and black people there also faced blatant discrimination nearly identical to apartheid, to the point where those who were light skinned enough to look white became “passers” because life for black people for was that bad, and that what has been described to be is very similar to both the struggle of my brethren in South Africa and the struggle of my brethren in Palestine.

[Vistulange]

Daily reminder that referring to Israeli's relationship with the Occupied Territories and the Palestinians that lived there as "apartheid" is pretty damn disrespectful of actual black and other PoC South Africans who, up until the 1990's, which isn't all that long ago, actually lived under Apartheid.

Apartheid was fucked up beyond the shadow of a doubt, and for all of Israel's faults regarding its approach towards both Israeli Arabs and Palestinians, it's really not "apartheid", unless you're just using it as a byword for "discrimination", "racism", and so on. It's not. Apartheid was a very systematic and very institutional system of racial segregation, profiling, and hierarchy that was legally embedded in the very state structure of South Africa. Just...don't. Call it racism, call it discrimination, call it Arabophobia, call it Islamophobia, just don't call it apartheid, because it really isn't. There are a lot of other technical terms that could correspond to Israel, but "apartheid" simply isn't one of them.

Daily reminder my family is from Ghana, and black people there also faced blatant discrimination nearly identical to apartheid, to the point where those who were light skinned enough to look white became “passers” because life for black people for was that bad, and that what has been described to be is very similar to both the struggle of my brethren in South Africa and the struggle of my brethren in Palestine.

Your heritage is none of our business, and what a few random fellows describe does not apartheid make, I'm afraid.

Instead of telling me, with your own words or somebody else's properly structured words, which we call references, why Israel is similar to apartheid-era South Africa so as to warrant it being referred to as "apartheid", you've simply gone on and went "yeah well I'm Ghanaian and people there suffered, which I'm told is similar to what people in Palestine experience". It is not an argument, nor does it pertain to Israeli Arabs, who are distinct from Palestinians.

[Insaanistan]

Daily reminder my family is from Ghana, and black people there also faced blatant discrimination nearly identical to apartheid, to the point where those who were light skinned enough to look white became “passers” because life for black people for was that bad, and that what has been described to be is very similar to both the struggle of my brethren in South Africa and the struggle of my brethren in Palestine.

Your heritage is none of our business, and what a few random fellows describe does not apartheid make, I'm afraid.

Instead of telling me, with your own words or somebody else's properly structured words, which we call references, why Israel is similar to apartheid-era South Africa so as to warrant it being referred to as "apartheid", you've simply gone on and went "yeah well I'm Ghanaian and people there suffered, which I'm told is similar to what people in Palestine experience". It is not an argument, nor does it pertain to Israeli Arabs, who are distinct from Palestinians.

Firstly, I am not Ghanian: my parents are, as are some of my other family members. I’m so sorry I wasn’t alive in the 20th century to experience it personally, Vistulange. As for Israeli Arabs, https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... E6-vljQeB0 https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... lrUv6nhlxv
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... V0Iqfec9Mz

Reminds me of when Ūmar al-Bashir said Hausa are not genuine Sudanese and should not vote (he also displaced millions of Darfurian Hausas).

[SD_Film Artists]

Daily reminder that referring to Israeli's relationship with the Occupied Territories and the Palestinians that lived there as "apartheid" is pretty damn disrespectful of actual black and other PoC South Africans who, up until the 1990's, which isn't all that long ago, actually lived under Apartheid.

Apartheid was fucked up beyond the shadow of a doubt, and for all of Israel's faults regarding its approach towards both Israeli Arabs and Palestinians, it's really not "apartheid", unless you're just using it as a byword for "discrimination", "racism", and so on. It's not. Apartheid was a very systematic and very institutional system of racial segregation, profiling, and hierarchy that was legally embedded in the very state structure of South Africa. Just...don't. Call it racism, call it discrimination, call it Arabophobia, call it Islamophobia, just don't call it apartheid, because it really isn't. There are a lot of other technical terms that could correspond to Israel, but "apartheid" simply isn't one of them.

But it makes it easier to sell it as part of the intersectionalist brand so it's ok. /s

[Vistulange]

Your heritage is none of our business, and what a few random fellows describe does not apartheid make, I'm afraid.

Instead of telling me, with your own words or somebody else's properly structured words, which we call references, why Israel is similar to apartheid-era South Africa so as to warrant it being referred to as "apartheid", you've simply gone on and went "yeah well I'm Ghanaian and people there suffered, which I'm told is similar to what people in Palestine experience". It is not an argument, nor does it pertain to Israeli Arabs, who are distinct from Palestinians.

Firstly, I am not Ghanian: my parents are, as are some of my other family members. I’m so sorry I wasn’t alive in the 20th century to experience it personally, Vistulange. As for Israeli Arabs, https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... E6-vljQeB0 https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... lrUv6nhlxv
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... V0Iqfec9Mz

Reminds me of when Ūmar al-Bashir said Hausa are not genuine Sudanese and should not vote (he also displaced millions of Darfurian Hausas).

Your sources are all lovely, and yet, are completely off the point. Recall that I didn't say Israel was not being discriminatory, or that it provided equal treatment to all of its citizens. What I did say is that Israel is not under an apartheid regime. You do not need to have lived in the 20th century to know what apartheid is and what it constituted; you simply need to read.

Your first link is very openly labeled as an "opinion editorial", or an "op-ed", disregarding that one as the title is misleading, the subtitle is designed to inflame, and so on. Disregarding it, as it's the definition of rubbish in this case. The second link, from Haaretz, is still an op-ed, but actually makes a fair point, and so too does the article from Bloomberg. Yet, neither portrays Israel as "apartheid".

You really have no fucking clue what apartheid did to the non-white population in South Africa, if you really have the nerve to call Israel an apartheid state. Seriously. It's discriminatory, and Netanyahu isn't helping affairs, but it's not an apartheid state. Blacks in apartheid-era South Africa did not have a political party to freely vote for, if they so desired, or for that matter, they did not have the right to vote in the first place. This is in the 20th century, not the 19th or the 18th centuries. Criticise Israel all you like, I do it all the time, but do it in an accurate way that isn't composed of empty, meaningless slogans that only preach to the choir.

EDIT: Ironically, some research quickly showed me that Gulf News is UAE-affiliated. Don't expect that source to stay up for long, because nowadays, the anti-Israel stance might not be so popular with the UAE's ruling elites. Which, you know, isn't democratic by any measure, even if you compare it to Israel.

[Crockerland]

Daily reminder that referring to Israeli's relationship with the Occupied Territories and the Palestinians that lived there as "apartheid" is pretty damn disrespectful of actual black and other PoC South Africans who, up until the 1990's, which isn't all that long ago, actually lived under Apartheid.

Apartheid was fucked up beyond the shadow of a doubt, and for all of Israel's faults regarding its approach towards both Israeli Arabs and Palestinians, it's really not "apartheid", unless you're just using it as a byword for "discrimination", "racism", and so on. It's not. Apartheid was a very systematic and very institutional system of racial segregation, profiling, and hierarchy that was legally embedded in the very state structure of South Africa. Just...don't. Call it racism, call it discrimination, call it Arabophobia, call it Islamophobia, just don't call it apartheid, because it really isn't. There are a lot of other technical terms that could correspond to Israel, but "apartheid" simply isn't one of them.

Apartheid has become a buzzword for the Anti-Israel lobby, it’s a word that stokes emotion and legitimizes your cause

Don't let facts get in the way of hating Jews.

[Insaanistan]

Apartheid has become a buzzword for the Anti-Israel lobby, it’s a word that stokes emotion and legitimizes your cause

Don't let facts get in the way of hating Jews.

Anti-Zionism isn’t anti-Semitism.

[Insaanistan]

Qatar has just stated adamantly they won’t normalize relations with Israel.

[Aureumterra]

Qatar has just stated adamantly they won’t normalize relations with Israel.

Not surprising

[Vistulange]

Qatar has just stated adamantly they won’t normalize relations with Israel.

Not surprising

No, but the others were also once staunchly anti-Israel. It's best to take anybody's hardline stances with a rather large pinch of salt. Real life politics usually doesn't allow for such maximalism, at least when one wants a favourable outcome.

[Insaanistan]

In other news, 37 Kuwaiti MPs call on government to confirm opposition to UAE’s decision to normalize relations with Israel.

[Aureumterra]

Not surprising

No, but the others were also once staunchly anti-Israel. It's best to take anybody's hardline stances with a rather large pinch of salt. Real life politics usually doesn't allow for such maximalism, at least when one wants a favourable outcome.

Qatar is the black sheep of the Gulf, it should have been expected for them to do the opposite of everyone else

[Aureumterra]

Honestly if anyone wants to know what the Qatari government’s position is, just see Al Jazeera, it’s basically Qatar state TV

[Insaanistan]

Honestly if anyone wants to know what the Qatari government’s position is, just see Al Jazeera, it’s basically Qatar state TV

I watch Al-Jazeera, it surprisingly really isn’t. But I mainly watch Al-Jazeera English, so maybe that has an effect.

[Insaanistan]

No, but the others were also once staunchly anti-Israel. It's best to take anybody's hardline stances with a rather large pinch of salt. Real life politics usually doesn't allow for such maximalism, at least when one wants a favourable outcome.

Qatar is the black sheep of the Gulf, it should have been expected for them to do the opposite of everyone else

It’s not everyone who’s normalizing ties with Israel.

[Insaanistan]

And guys, let’s remember: while normalization of ties is not good, it’s not recognition of Israel.

[Vistulange]

And guys, let’s remember: while normalization of ties is not good, it’s not recognition of Israel.

It is, the same way Egypt recognised Israel as a country in 1979 and Jordan did the same in 1994. The Abraham Accords involve "normalisation" of relations, which to be honest I can only interpret as recognition.

[Loben III]

And guys, let’s remember: while normalization of ties is not good, it’s not recognition of Israel.

why is it not good?

[Insaanistan]

And guys, let’s remember: while normalization of ties is not good, it’s not recognition of Israel.

why is it not good?

Israel does stuff like this:
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ma ... -detention

[Insaanistan]

Yes, I see the site’s title.

[Loben III]

why is it not good?

Israel does stuff like this:
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ma ... -detention

meanwhile the Arab states are just Paragons of civility.