What if England never existed?

[Great Mann]

Either Harold Godwinson of Wessex (Old England) wins, or Harald Hardrada (Vikings) wins.

The Battle of Stamford Bridge would be the battle remembered as shaping England, as the Battle of Hastings would have never occurred or the Normans lost if Modern England Never Existed.

Either Viking Controlled, or English Controlled, England in that timeline would be drastically different.

The OP was talking about there being no Germanic (Anglish, Saxon, Jutish) settling in what is now England, not what you’re talking about.

[Deltia-]

Yeaaaah, I'd either be speaking French or Spanish.

[The Blaatschapen]

Haggis was actually an English dish created in the 1409s before the Scots improved on it.

"improved " good lord what crime against humanity was it before?

I'd argue that haggis is more of a crime against ovisity

[The Restored Danelaw]

Either Harold Godwinson of Wessex (Old England) wins, or Harald Hardrada (Vikings) wins.

The Battle of Stamford Bridge would be the battle remembered as shaping England, as the Battle of Hastings would have never occurred or the Normans lost if Modern England Never Existed.

Either Viking Controlled, or English Controlled, England in that timeline would be drastically different.

Or the Celtic Britons united.

Given how easily they were subdued by the Germanic tribes in real life, no offense but there's simply no way there's a Celtic Britain in any capacity. Even with no Anglo-Saxons, either some other Germanic tribe, the Vikings, or possibly some other group in the continent would be the dominant force regardless.

[Heloin]

I have never ever tried that, doubt I would find that in North of England

if we are going north of England we get stuck with haggis

Ye Pow'rs, wha mak mankind yer care,
And dish them out their bill o' fare,
Auld Scotland wants nae skinking ware
That jaups in luggies;
But, if ye wish her gratefu' prayer
Gie her a haggis!

Haggis was actually an English dish created in the 1409s before the Scots improved on it.

"improved " good lord what crime against humanity was it before?

It's just the cheap parts of a sheep.

[Celritannia]

Or the Celtic Britons united.

Given how easily they were subdued by the Germanic tribes in real life, no offense but there's simply no way there's a Celtic Britain in any capacity. Even with no Anglo-Saxons, either some other Germanic tribe, the Vikings, or possibly some other group in the continent would be the dominant force regardless.

They would have more time to prepare, since the Anglo-Saxons invaded first, then the vikings.
I could see a strong Celtic expansion from modern day Wales, covering nearly all of Britain.

[Ethel mermania]

if we are going north of England we get stuck with haggis

Ye Pow'rs, wha mak mankind yer care,
And dish them out their bill o' fare,
Auld Scotland wants nae skinking ware
That jaups in luggies;
But, if ye wish her gratefu' prayer
Gie her a haggis!

"improved " good lord what crime against humanity was it before?

It's just the cheap parts of a sheep.

HEY! There is nothing cheap about blaat.

[North American Imperial State]

I have never ever tried that, doubt I would find that in North of England

if we are going north of England we get stuck with haggis

Christ you are soo wrong, haggis is in Scotland, not north of England

[The Restored Danelaw]

Given how easily they were subdued by the Germanic tribes in real life, no offense but there's simply no way there's a Celtic Britain in any capacity. Even with no Anglo-Saxons, either some other Germanic tribe, the Vikings, or possibly some other group in the continent would be the dominant force regardless.

They would have more time to prepare, since the Anglo-Saxons invaded first, then the vikings.
I could see a strong Celtic expansion from modern day Wales, covering nearly all of Britain.

By the time the Vikings invaded, the British Celts had been limited to Wales, Cornwall and the upper parts of Scotland, all incredibly less habitable compared to England and as such lower in population. And here's the sad part. The Anglo-Saxon migration came at the time of the Great Folkwandering. Germanic tribes were migrating everywhere left right and center, what's to suggest that some other tribe wouldn't replace them in that migration? Because frankly if we're saying "no migrations period", there's in essence no way to know what would really happen at all.

[The Restored Danelaw]

if we are going north of England we get stuck with haggis

Christ you are soo wrong, haggis is in Scotland, not north of England

Is Scotland not north of England?

[Heloin]

Ye Pow'rs, wha mak mankind yer care,
And dish them out their bill o' fare,
Auld Scotland wants nae skinking ware
That jaups in luggies;
But, if ye wish her gratefu' prayer
Gie her a haggis!


It's just the cheap parts of a sheep.

HEY! There is nothing cheap about blaat.

Of course, he'd be a very expensive haggis. High class even.

[Heloin]

if we are going north of England we get stuck with haggis

Christ you are soo wrong, haggis is in Scotland, not north of England

Scotland isn't North of England?

[Twicetagram and JYPe]

I was wondering about the origins of haggis.

Like, imagine a bunch of old hags said to you, "You said, you wanted food, so we gave you food!" As they handed you the worst haggis ever made.

if we are going north of England we get stuck with haggis

Christ you are soo wrong, haggis is in Scotland, not north of England

i'm scared. What's north of England? Wales?

[Celritannia]

I was wondering about the origins of haggis.

Like, imagine a bunch of old hags said to you, "You said, you wanted food, so we gave you food!" As they handed you the worst haggis ever made.

Christ you are soo wrong, haggis is in Scotland, not north of England

i'm scared. What's north of England? Wales?

Wales is it's own constituent country.


Yorkshire and above is the north.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Cyprus would be more free

[Ethel mermania]

if we are going north of England we get stuck with haggis

Christ you are soo wrong, haggis is in Scotland, not north of England

Scotland is not north of England? News to me.

[Heloin]

I was wondering about the origins of haggis.

Like, imagine a bunch of old hags said to you, "You said, you wanted food, so we gave you food!" As they handed you the worst haggis ever made.


i'm scared. What's north of England? Wales?

Wales is it's own constituent country.


Yorkshire and above is the north.

Ethel and NAIS said North of England, not THE North of England.

[Celritannia]

They would have more time to prepare, since the Anglo-Saxons invaded first, then the vikings.
I could see a strong Celtic expansion from modern day Wales, covering nearly all of Britain.

By the time the Vikings invaded, the British Celts had been limited to Wales, Cornwall and the upper parts of Scotland, all incredibly less habitable compared to England and as such lower in population. And here's the sad part. The Anglo-Saxon migration came at the time of the Great Folkwandering. Germanic tribes were migrating everywhere left right and center, what's to suggest that some other tribe wouldn't replace them in that migration? Because frankly if we're saying "no migrations period", there's in essence no way to know what would really happen at all.

No, but had the Anglo-Saxons not been around, then the Celts would have been more prominent, and Prydain would be far bigger.

[The Blaatschapen]

Wales is it's own constituent country.


Yorkshire and above is the north.

Ethel and NAIS said North of England, not THE North of England.

Wait, we need to specify which North? What A North of England?

[Heloin]

Ethel and NAIS said North of England, not THE North of England.

Wait, we need to specify which North? What A North of England?

A-North is a driving school in Illinois, not England.

[The Restored Danelaw]

By the time the Vikings invaded, the British Celts had been limited to Wales, Cornwall and the upper parts of Scotland, all incredibly less habitable compared to England and as such lower in population. And here's the sad part. The Anglo-Saxon migration came at the time of the Great Folkwandering. Germanic tribes were migrating everywhere left right and center, what's to suggest that some other tribe wouldn't replace them in that migration? Because frankly if we're saying "no migrations period", there's in essence no way to know what would really happen at all.

No, but had the Anglo-Saxons not been around, then the Celts would have been more prominent, and Prydain would be far bigger.

Again, that's assuming literally nobody else would want to wander in Britain if Angles, Saxons and Jutes decided they liked Angria and Holstein too much to leave.

[Celritannia]

No, but had the Anglo-Saxons not been around, then the Celts would have been more prominent, and Prydain would be far bigger.

Again, that's assuming literally nobody else would want to wander in Britain if Angles, Saxons and Jutes decided they liked Angria and Holstein too much to leave.

I'm not saying they wouldn't be, but the Celtic Britons put up a decent fight, it took a long time for them to be subdued. With more time and without an immediate invasion from the Anglo-Saxons, I'd wager prydain would be an established kingdom, or Wales would be far larger.

[Celestial Provinces]

Either Harold Godwinson of Wessex (Old England) wins, or Harald Hardrada (Vikings) wins.

The Battle of Stamford Bridge would be the battle remembered as shaping England, as the Battle of Hastings would have never occurred or the Normans lost if Modern England Never Existed.

Either Viking Controlled, or English Controlled, England in that timeline would be drastically different.

Or the Celtic Britons united.

Yes

[North American Imperial State]

Christ you are soo wrong, haggis is in Scotland, not north of England

Scotland is not north of England? News to me.

Christ you are soo wrong, haggis is in Scotland, not north of England

Is Scotland not north of England?

Yes it is
I was saying you dont really get haggis in North East of England

[Celritannia]

Or the Celtic Britons united.

Yes

I just tweeted Alternate History Hub, so hopefully he'll make a video on it.