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Postby North American Imperial State » Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:05 am

Ethel mermania wrote:World's cuisine would be better.

Erm no it wouldn't
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:24 am

Port Spratly wrote:1. Maybe we are not speaking in English right now.
2. Singapore, Hong Kong, and Shanghai will not be as today.
3. No present-day USA and Canada
3. No present-day Australia and New Zealand
4. No left side driving
5. No Opium War
6 ....

pretty much the world is completely different than ours now.


Or as explained earlier, the world will likely be the same except that 'English' will have more Gaelic influences while still having some French words with the Norman invasion.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:26 am

North American Imperial State wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:World's cuisine would be better.

Erm no it wouldn't

Ah, yes, we really needed beans on toast.
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:29 am

First thing comes to mind is that Spain would still be a superpower today, and the industrial revolution would have never happened.
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France:Now,L’empire ne se met pas!Without the damned Brits, Europe is ours!
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Shanghai industrial complex wrote:France:Now,L’empire ne se met pas!Without the damned Brits, Europe is ours!

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Postby North American Imperial State » Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:39 am

Kowani wrote:
North American Imperial State wrote:Erm no it wouldn't

Ah, yes, we really needed beans on toast.

If you think thats all we eat, you need to do some research
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Postby Twicetagram and JYPe » Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:45 am

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Kowani wrote:Ah, yes, we really needed beans on toast.

If you think thats all we eat, you need to do some research

As a non-British I gotta say some British stuff are good as heck. ESP fish and chips

And oh as I am living in a former British colony if they didn't exist I would have been speaking Dutch most likely since Singapore is in close proximity to the Dutch East Indies, and Britain and The Netherlands had a dispute over Singapore in the 1820s.

I think that's only going to be one of the only colonial changes. I can't see India or Burma being colonsied by the French or Portuguese.
I also think that the world will be more diverse in a way because the huge formerly British controlled colonies would have been taken over by other nations. Or maybe the Scots or Irish or Welsh will eat England up.
I'd guess maybe we'd have French as our lingua franca? Since there's a high chance independent Louisiana would take up a lot of the US, as well as Quebec eating a lot of Canada. I'm only quoting the US since they're the frontiers of the modern world.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:19 am

North American Imperial State wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:World's cuisine would be better.

Erm no it wouldn't

Sure it would.

No jellied eels.
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Postby The Restored Danelaw » Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:21 am

Most of us wouldn't be alive because our ancestors would have died from easily preventable or curable diseases that tend to kill much. Smallpox for example. Barring that, we'd still be sailing our sailboats or driving wagons to any destination too far to walk to. And that's assuming we had that right and some asshat living in a French-style castle up on the hill didn't decide that we were "part of the land" and rightfully not allowed to leave our own homes because there would be neither any form of post-feudalist thought nor the invention of modern manufacturing causing a decline in rural and agrarian life.
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Postby North American Imperial State » Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:26 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
North American Imperial State wrote:Erm no it wouldn't

Sure it would.

No jellied eels.

I have never ever tried that, doubt I would find that in North of England
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:28 am

France would probably dominate a lot of the world
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Postby Celritannia » Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:30 am

Let's go ahead and say the Anglo-Saxons never colonised Britain, or even existed.

The Romano-Britons of Albion would have a strong presence than being pushed back into modern day Wales, or having their culture subverted by the Anglo-Saxons.

The Vikings would still end up landing, and see a strong rivalry between the native Britons and the Danes.

Depending who would win, the Vikings would still have more of a leeway into Caledonia, perhaps stopping the Scotti-clan of Ireland landing in northern Britain and establishing Scotland.

The Celtic Britons wouldd have probably united, filling the void of the Anglo-Saxons, and would eventually lead to forming a kingdom of Prydain or Albion, encompassing both the Vikings and the native Britons all the way up to the highlands of Caledonia.

Now, would the Norman's invade? This is tricky to say since this is a few hundred years after the unification of the OTL kingdom of England.

I could see the Celtic-Dane kingdom of Albion/Prydain finally taking the lands of northern Caledonia.

I could see the clans of Ireland and Briton being more on somewhat indifferent terms with a Celtic bond, and even in Frankia.
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The Restored Danelaw wrote:Most of us wouldn't be alive because our ancestors would have died from easily preventable or curable diseases that tend to kill much. Smallpox for example. Barring that, we'd still be sailing our sailboats or driving wagons to any destination too far to walk to. And that's assuming we had that right and some asshat living in a French-style castle up on the hill didn't decide that we were "part of the land" and rightfully not allowed to leave our own homes because there would be neither any form of post-feudalist thought nor the invention of modern manufacturing causing a decline in rural and agrarian life.


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The Restored Danelaw wrote:Most of us wouldn't be alive because our ancestors would have died from easily preventable or curable diseases that tend to kill much. Smallpox for example. Barring that, we'd still be sailing our sailboats or driving wagons to any destination too far to walk to. And that's assuming we had that right and some asshat living in a French-style castle up on the hill didn't decide that we were "part of the land" and rightfully not allowed to leave our own homes because there would be neither any form of post-feudalist thought nor the invention of modern manufacturing causing a decline in rural and agrarian life.

Thankfully I'm nowhere ethnically British :-p
But wouldn't the land be taken up by the other people who were living there as well. I wouldn't imagine France(or Francia) hopping over the British Channel until like much later.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:02 am

Thermodolia wrote:France would probably dominate a lot of the world

The bread and coffee would be far superior in this alternate universe
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:03 am

North American Imperial State wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Sure it would.

No jellied eels.

I have never ever tried that, doubt I would find that in North of England

if we are going north of England we get stuck with haggis
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Postby Celritannia » Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:06 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
North American Imperial State wrote:I have never ever tried that, doubt I would find that in North of England

if we are going north of England we get stuck with haggis


Haggis was actually an English dish created in the 1409s before the Scots improved on it.

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Twicetagram and JYPe wrote:
The Restored Danelaw wrote:Most of us wouldn't be alive because our ancestors would have died from easily preventable or curable diseases that tend to kill much. Smallpox for example. Barring that, we'd still be sailing our sailboats or driving wagons to any destination too far to walk to. And that's assuming we had that right and some asshat living in a French-style castle up on the hill didn't decide that we were "part of the land" and rightfully not allowed to leave our own homes because there would be neither any form of post-feudalist thought nor the invention of modern manufacturing causing a decline in rural and agrarian life.

Thankfully I'm nowhere ethnically British :-p
But wouldn't the land be taken up by the other people who were living there as well. I wouldn't imagine France(or Francia) hopping over the British Channel until like much later.

Yeah, but since literally nobody other than those gruesome Anglos living in the Perfidious Albion have any sort of agency whatsoever, if there were no Englishmen we'd all be dead from the smallpox or floating the fuck away because gravity wouldn't exist.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:08 am

Celritannia wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:if we are going north of England we get stuck with haggis


Haggis was actually an English dish created in the 1409s before the Scots improved on it.

"improved " good lord what crime against humanity was it before?
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Postby Celestial Provinces » Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:14 am

Either Harold Godwinson of Wessex (Old England) wins, or Harald Hardrada (Vikings) wins.

The Battle of Stamford Bridge would be the battle remembered as shaping England, as the Battle of Hastings would have never occurred or the Normans lost if Modern England Never Existed.

Either Viking Controlled, or English Controlled, England in that timeline would be drastically different.
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Celestial Provinces wrote:Either Harold Godwinson of Wessex (Old England) wins, or Harald Hardrada (Vikings) wins.

The Battle of Stamford Bridge would be the battle remembered as shaping England, as the Battle of Hastings would have never occurred or the Normans lost if Modern England Never Existed.

Either Viking Controlled, or English Controlled, England in that timeline would be drastically different.


Or the Celtic Britons united.

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