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Will you slay the butcher here or leave his fate to an international court?

The evil this man has committed is beyond excusable - he dies here and now, by my hand.
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It's not my place to decide his fate - I leave him alive to face his crimes in the Hague.
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Postby Thepeopl » Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:14 am

Murdering, even monsters, is never the answer.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:20 am

USS Monitor wrote:
Region of Dwipantara wrote:Not only I would kill him, I would do it in a way that produces a narrative that will tarnish his reputation, instead of glorifying him as a martyr.

According to my history teacher for example, after my country's 1948 communist uprising failed to secure public support, its leader Musso turned to extreme violence. He was eventually beaten by the Republican government, though. After his movement collapsed, he ran away like a scared b*tch, cornered, and was shot dead like a dog while desperately hiding inside an unhygienic public toilet.

Whether this story is true or just a Republican propaganda is irrelevant, as Musso's reputation is obviously tarnished. And I would want the same to happen to this monster.

I'll probably regret my actions later though, and meanwhile will try to make sure the rest of the ringleaders be brought to justice to fully expose the extent of their regime's crimes.


Reminds me of the story about Jeff Davis being captured while dressed in women's clothing, trying to slink away in disguise. (Davis was the president of the Confederate States of America, and the story is probably propaganda.)


Dressed in women's clothing, oh the shame. Getting busted as obviously a bloke, utter ignominy.

But they didn't kill him. President Jackson pardoned him just a few years later.
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Postby Marxist Germany » Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:51 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
USS Monitor wrote:
Reminds me of the story about Jeff Davis being captured while dressed in women's clothing, trying to slink away in disguise. (Davis was the president of the Confederate States of America, and the story is probably propaganda.)


Dressed in women's clothing, oh the shame. Getting busted as obviously a bloke, utter ignominy.

But they didn't kill him. President Jackson pardoned him just a few years later.

Jackson ended his Presidency decades before the war.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:11 am

USS Monitor wrote:
Region of Dwipantara wrote:Not only I would kill him, I would do it in a way that produces a narrative that will tarnish his reputation, instead of glorifying him as a martyr.

According to my history teacher for example, after my country's 1948 communist uprising failed to secure public support, its leader Musso turned to extreme violence. He was eventually beaten by the Republican government, though. After his movement collapsed, he ran away like a scared b*tch, cornered, and was shot dead like a dog while desperately hiding inside an unhygienic public toilet.

Whether this story is true or just a Republican propaganda is irrelevant, as Musso's reputation is obviously tarnished. And I would want the same to happen to this monster.

I'll probably regret my actions later though, and meanwhile will try to make sure the rest of the ringleaders be brought to justice to fully expose the extent of their regime's crimes.


Reminds me of the story about Jeff Davis being captured while dressed in women's clothing, trying to slink away in disguise. (Davis was the president of the Confederate States of America, and the story is probably propaganda.)


Put on one stupid shawl in the dark, and everyone says you dress like a girl. Such sexists those northern aggressors are
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:12 am

Marxist Germany wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Dressed in women's clothing, oh the shame. Getting busted as obviously a bloke, utter ignominy.

But they didn't kill him. President Jackson pardoned him just a few years later.

Jackson ended his Presidency decades before the war.

The fellow is not American. He meant Andrew Johnson
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Postby Lanoraie II » Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:13 am

I know from personal IRL experience that I would have it in me to take his life. Would I maybe still feel guilty or traumatized by it? Sure. But I know I can do it.

However, I'm selfish, and already went through plenty of trauma, so I'd just arrest and bring him to others who can do it instead.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:17 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote:Jackson ended his Presidency decades before the war.

The fellow is not American. He meant Andrew Johnson


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Postby Vistulange » Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:27 am

So, basically, Modern Warfare.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:35 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:The fellow is not American. He meant Andrew Johnson


Thankyou. Yes.


And my bad, Davis was not pardoned, the case against was dismissed. I say its my bad because it is something i am interested in, (and just got lectured on a different site)

There are a couple reasons for the dismissal that were not made clear Which one it was

The 14th amendment barred confederate officials from holding office (so double jeopardy, they took the law a lot more seriously back then)
Chase was unsure if he could get a conviction, particularly in Virginia and give Davis a platform To speak. (Chase was Chief Justice of the Supreme Court at the time. The roll of the Supreme Court justices was pretty different too).
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Sat Sep 12, 2020 5:31 am

Can we cut back on the "I'd torture him till he dies!!!" and "I'll take his skull as a trophy!!!" stuff please?

It's a bit disturbing and probably against the rules.
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Postby Nuroblav » Sat Sep 12, 2020 5:37 am

It's the Courts for me. I just don't think killing him would be an entirely measured response from my perspective, although I understand. Now if he did actively try and commit violence, then that may be a matter of self-defence, but only then (and even so I'd argue that violence is never wholly good).

So yeah, I'm not one for fighting fire with fire, not even in this instance.
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Postby Auze » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:23 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
USS Monitor wrote:
Reminds me of the story about Jeff Davis being captured while dressed in women's clothing, trying to slink away in disguise. (Davis was the president of the Confederate States of America, and the story is probably propaganda.)


Dressed in women's clothing, oh the shame. Getting busted as obviously a bloke, utter ignominy.

But they didn't kill him. President Jackson pardoned him just a few years later.

*I assume you meant Andrew Johnson instead of Andrew Jackson
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Postby Uiiop » Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:42 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Can we cut back on the "I'd torture him till he dies!!!" and "I'll take his skull as a trophy!!!" stuff please?

It's a bit disturbing and probably against the rules.

Isn't forcing a person onto a cell and controlling what he eats enough of a power trip for y'all?

Bunch of junkies posting here smh. :P
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:04 pm

Two words could describe my course of action.

Bang *thud*
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:06 pm

I'm surprised that executing him has a bigger lead, though not disappointed. Guess there aren't as many bleeding hearts on NSG as some people claim.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:10 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:I'm surprised that executing him has a bigger lead, though not disappointed. Guess there aren't as many bleeding hearts on NSG as some people claim.


People hate when i say this, but i think there are loads of people who the world would be better without. My dad despite being a right winger is one of those folks who disagrees with me on that as is my mom, but just growing up in an area with a lot of drug trafficking, I came into contact with alot of people who I wouldn't shed a tear for if they were given a first class raffle ticket to the resurrection.
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:30 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:I'm surprised that executing him has a bigger lead, though not disappointed. Guess there aren't as many bleeding hearts on NSG as some people claim.


People hate when i say this, but i think there are loads of people who the world would be better without. My dad despite being a right winger is one of those folks who disagrees with me on that as is my mom, but just growing up in an area with a lot of drug trafficking, I came into contact with alot of people who I wouldn't shed a tear for if they were given a first class raffle ticket to the resurrection.


It's hard to believe that every life is precious when some people build their lives around destroying the lives of others.

Can't really feel much sympathy for mass murderers, rapists, slavers, etc.
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Postby Andsed » Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:35 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:I'm surprised that executing him has a bigger lead, though not disappointed. Guess there aren't as many bleeding hearts on NSG as some people claim.


People hate when i say this, but i think there are loads of people who the world would be better without. My dad despite being a right winger is one of those folks who disagrees with me on that as is my mom, but just growing up in an area with a lot of drug trafficking, I came into contact with alot of people who I wouldn't shed a tear for if they were given a first class raffle ticket to the resurrection.

I mean there are some who I would definitely not shed a tear for if they were removed from this mortal coil. But at the same time even the lowest of the low are still human and have a right to a fair trial. Hence why I think bringing this butcher to an international court is the better option.
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:38 pm

Andsed wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
People hate when i say this, but i think there are loads of people who the world would be better without. My dad despite being a right winger is one of those folks who disagrees with me on that as is my mom, but just growing up in an area with a lot of drug trafficking, I came into contact with alot of people who I wouldn't shed a tear for if they were given a first class raffle ticket to the resurrection.

I mean there are some who I would definitely not shed a tear for if they were removed from this mortal coil. But at the same time even the lowest of the low are still human and have a right to a fair trial. Hence why I think bringing this butcher to an international court is the better option.


Oh I agree, but I doubt I'd have the restraint to actually do that.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:38 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
People hate when i say this, but i think there are loads of people who the world would be better without. My dad despite being a right winger is one of those folks who disagrees with me on that as is my mom, but just growing up in an area with a lot of drug trafficking, I came into contact with alot of people who I wouldn't shed a tear for if they were given a first class raffle ticket to the resurrection.


It's hard to believe that every life is precious when some people build their lives around destroying the lives of others.

Can't really feel much sympathy for mass murderers, rapists, slavers, etc.


I knew this guy whose dad was a drug trafficker and around age 16 he became one himself. It was amazing in a terrifying way watching how people started treating him like a God. He wasn't handsome or charming or friendly or exactly tall, but he had it all. And it made me mad seeing how he had all these poor, addicted kids on their knees in front of him. I had friends who probably died because of that guy, and I always tell people that when, not if, his lifestyle lands him in the stateyard or graveyard, I won't miss that creep.

He doesn't even need to be a trafficker. He does it because it's easy wealth and he gets a thrill out of the power trip he's on. He's truly an evil bastard. Like there's assholes and then there's true evil and he is the latter. Fuck him, and fuck his father.
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Postby Vetalia » Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:39 pm

No question, I'd kill him then and there for those kinds of crimes.

It'd be different if it were someone whose actions were ambiguous or where there is no clear-cut evidence of guilt but in a case where there is no doubt, it's simply justice.
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Postby Novus America » Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:41 pm

Marxist Germany wrote:
Purpelia wrote:So we agree. I am the right one to judge him.

Even an international court should never use the death sentence. Let the man rot in jail.


I disagree. I think death is appropriate when there is no dispute of guilt (no worry about executing an innocent man here) and the person is dangerous even if jailed. Given he could still escape to cause problems, no doubt of guilt, even though I should follow orders, I think just ending it there is probably what I would do. Especially because I probably would not be thinking calmly in this circumstance. The dark side of me would probably jump right out, given the circumstances meaning I might end him for less rational reasons, even though I also have rational reasons.
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:41 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
It's hard to believe that every life is precious when some people build their lives around destroying the lives of others.

Can't really feel much sympathy for mass murderers, rapists, slavers, etc.


I knew this guy whose dad was a drug trafficker and around age 16 he became one himself. It was amazing in a terrifying way watching how people started treating him like a God. He wasn't handsome or charming or friendly or exactly tall, but he had it all. And it made me mad seeing how he had all these poor, addicted kids on their knees in front of him. I had friends who probably died because of that guy, and I always tell people that when, not if, his lifestyle lands him in the stateyard or graveyard, I won't miss that creep.

He doesn't even need to be a trafficker. He does it because it's easy wealth and he gets a thrill out of the power trip he's on. He's truly an evil bastard. Like there's assholes and then there's true evil and he is the latter. Fuck him, and fuck his father.


I laugh at people who say that "there's no such thing as evil". Evil is very much real.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:46 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
I knew this guy whose dad was a drug trafficker and around age 16 he became one himself. It was amazing in a terrifying way watching how people started treating him like a God. He wasn't handsome or charming or friendly or exactly tall, but he had it all. And it made me mad seeing how he had all these poor, addicted kids on their knees in front of him. I had friends who probably died because of that guy, and I always tell people that when, not if, his lifestyle lands him in the stateyard or graveyard, I won't miss that creep.

He doesn't even need to be a trafficker. He does it because it's easy wealth and he gets a thrill out of the power trip he's on. He's truly an evil bastard. Like there's assholes and then there's true evil and he is the latter. Fuck him, and fuck his father.


I laugh at people who say that "there's no such thing as evil". Evil is very much real.


My dad always says "you shouldn't call (insert name) evil." Uh yeah dad theyre an evil fucker and they're a bane on society.

On most other things my dad is right wing and I'm left wing. But on dealing with the true scumbags of the world, I am right of Attila the Hun.
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Postby Purpelia » Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:21 am

Kathol Rift wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote:Even an international court should never use the death sentence. Let the man rot in jail.

No, he should definitely die. I’d just like to watch him squirm on the national stage first. Then he can be executed.

I knew I should have underlined the word god in that quote.
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