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Will you slay the butcher here or leave his fate to an international court?

The evil this man has committed is beyond excusable - he dies here and now, by my hand.
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It's not my place to decide his fate - I leave him alive to face his crimes in the Hague.
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State of Turelisa
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Postby State of Turelisa » Fri Sep 11, 2020 4:08 pm

As a Christian, you must, or should know you must not kill another person, unless your own life is immediately in danger or you are carrying out sentence of death.
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Postby Marxist Germany » Fri Sep 11, 2020 4:10 pm

State of Turelisa wrote:As a Christian, you must, or should know you must not kill another person, unless your own life is immediately in danger or you are carrying out sentence of death.
Do not avenge yourselves, beloved, but leave room for God's wrath. For it is written: "Vengeance is Mine; I will repay, says the Lord.". DEUTERONOMY 32:35

Even the latter is unbiblical.
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Postby South Odreria 2 » Fri Sep 11, 2020 4:12 pm

State of Turelisa wrote:As a Christian, you must, or should know you mustnot kill another person unless your own life is immediately in danger or you are carrying out sentence of death.
Do not avenge yourselves, beloved, but leave room for God's wrath. For it is written: "Vengeance is Mine; I will repay, says the Lord.". DEUTERONOMY 32:35

Um you clearly are carrying out a sentence of death.
To answer the OP, I see it as more fitting to have the villain answer for his crimes before a court.
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Postby TURTLESHROOM II » Fri Sep 11, 2020 4:20 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:Clear the compound with grenades and flamethrowers. It's not murder if you don't give him the opportunity to surrender.


I would not have thought of this, but that would be the best bet. An international court is too soft. The international courts are not the Nuremburg show trials. The United Nations does not hang anymore.

I wouldn't need to go through with firebombing the place; he dies then and there, by my hand. After unloading my guns on him and proceeding to mutilate its corpse (and hopefully take a bone, if not a skull, as a prize), I would leave with the body rotting to the vultures.

When I am asked why he died, I will tell them the truth: he refused to surrender. You said that when he confronted me, he showed no remorse and proclaimed he would do it again. He didn't ask for mercy or lift his hands up. He may well have been armed, I'd say.

Then I'll Google how to clean a skull. Hopefully, one day, it could sit in the Smithsonian.
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Postby Kowani » Fri Sep 11, 2020 4:21 pm

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Trollzyn specified that he'll be getting justice anywhere, and I want to build precedent.
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Legally Nuremburg was a sham. We should have just shot the lot of them without even trying to justify it legally.

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Postby Aarla » Fri Sep 11, 2020 4:23 pm

I'd be tempted, but it would be kind of selfish to take vengeance on him for myself. There are so many other people that were wronged. As with the holocaust, every detail possible should be recorded for the world to see, in hopes that they can prevent this sort of thing from happening again. Unlike the holocaust, there is a chance to include the unapologetic testimony of the monster himself in court.

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Postby Luziyca » Fri Sep 11, 2020 5:38 pm

I'd give the genocide survivors weapons and let them do to that bastard as they will. If that guy is somehow still alive at the end of the ordeal, I'd try him after.
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Postby Heloin » Fri Sep 11, 2020 5:50 pm

While I'm always a fan of the punishment of a small concert cell 1 metre by 1 metre for genocidal monsters, I know what my personal feelings are towards the man who destroyed my home. However the idea of a quick summery execution would be out of the question for me so I guess transporting to the Hague would be the only option. Some Mob justice or some machete business wouldn't go amiss if it could be done.

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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Sep 11, 2020 5:53 pm

I'm not going to kill him. The courts can deal with him.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:11 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:Clear the compound with grenades and flamethrowers. It's not murder if you don't give him the opportunity to surrender.

^This.

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Postby La Paz de Los Ricos » Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:23 pm

Why would I want to satisfy just myself when I can satisfy both myself and so many others by bringing him to justice? Pardon me, but celebrations are at hand, and it'd be better if as many people as possible join the fun.
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Postby Andsed » Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:27 pm

If I was in this situation personally it would be a coinflip on whether not I put a bullet in his skull. But I think the better choice is to bring him to this international court. He is a scumbag of the highest order, but I firmly believe that even those who commit the worst crimes still have a right to a fair trial.
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Postby Twicetagram and JYPe » Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:33 pm

Kill the guy the same way he murdered thousands of civilians. Give him a taste of his own medicine.
And no I won’t be brigg big big him to court. Killing him on the spot is a much better solution, despitee potentially being called out. Guy needs to go to hell for the shit he did.
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Postby Region of Dwipantara » Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:42 pm

Not only I would kill him, I would do it in a way that produces a narrative that will tarnish his reputation, instead of glorifying him as a martyr.

According to my history teacher for example, after my country's 1948 communist uprising failed to secure public support, its leader Musso turned to extreme violence. He was eventually beaten by the Republican government, though. After his movement collapsed, he ran away like a scared b*tch, cornered, and was shot dead like a dog while desperately hiding inside an unhygienic public toilet.

Whether this story is true or just a Republican propaganda is irrelevant, as Musso's reputation is obviously tarnished. And I would want the same to happen to this monster.

I'll probably regret my actions later though, and meanwhile will try to make sure the rest of the ringleaders be brought to justice to fully expose the extent of their regime's crimes.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:55 pm

Rule of law, definitely. Without the demonstration that our side had international law on its side, and their leader is guilty of aggression, I expect our two countries will remain enemies for a long time.
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Postby Linkers Sha » Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:57 pm

I propably torture him until he is dead
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Postby The Alma Mater » Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:01 pm

I'd kill him and then submit myself to justice being completely honest about what and why I did.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:29 pm

Linkers Sha wrote:I propably torture him until he is dead


It's pretty obvious where this thread is going.

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Postby Uiiop » Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:54 pm

I won't lie and say it wouldn't tempt me but if i knew it was over and he'll get his either way i'd like to see the look on his face with the world rejecting him for decades to come rather than him getting the final sleep.
In the meantime i'll settle for making him my prisoner.
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Postby Glorious Hong Kong » Sat Sep 12, 2020 12:11 am

I would execute him on the spot.
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Postby Page » Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:13 am

I might kill him but that doesn't mean I think it's the right thing to do. I don't believe in retribution but I recognize I am a human whose decisions can be driven by emotions so it's possible I would give into my primal instincts and waste him.
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Postby Baltenstein » Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:18 am

The premise is worded oddly partial towards the option you favor, OP. Like the part "Noone would miss him".
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Postby Allenstadt » Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:18 am

Submit him to an intentional court, but 'accidentally' shoot him in his leg (nonfataly)

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Postby USS Monitor » Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:24 am

You SHOULD bring him in to stand trial. I'm not sure if I WOULD, though. I'm a boat, not an angel.
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Postby USS Monitor » Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:28 am

Region of Dwipantara wrote:Not only I would kill him, I would do it in a way that produces a narrative that will tarnish his reputation, instead of glorifying him as a martyr.

According to my history teacher for example, after my country's 1948 communist uprising failed to secure public support, its leader Musso turned to extreme violence. He was eventually beaten by the Republican government, though. After his movement collapsed, he ran away like a scared b*tch, cornered, and was shot dead like a dog while desperately hiding inside an unhygienic public toilet.

Whether this story is true or just a Republican propaganda is irrelevant, as Musso's reputation is obviously tarnished. And I would want the same to happen to this monster.

I'll probably regret my actions later though, and meanwhile will try to make sure the rest of the ringleaders be brought to justice to fully expose the extent of their regime's crimes.


Reminds me of the story about Jeff Davis being captured while dressed in women's clothing, trying to slink away in disguise. (Davis was the president of the Confederate States of America, and the story is probably propaganda.)
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