Shall China exist?

[Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire]

Irrelevant question that I already answered in the very post you quoted.

Irrelevant and attempts to dodge the points I made.

I didn’t know that Japan is in Europe.

What a rebuttal, ladies and gentlemen, what a rebuttal.

Only shows that you're out of points and are desperately grabbing at straws now.

[New Jeferopholletopia]

China should exist, but they should be under the Taipei government.

[-Astoria-]

China should exist, but they should be under the Taipei government.

If only it were so easy.

[Feline Goetland]

Don’t worry. The current iteration of China will inevitably collapse after any nation tries to attack its borders, especially India. The only issue here is preventing a new China from appearing.

Any iteration of China is hostile to humanity in general and its own subjects in particular. The very existence of China is by definition abuse of human rights.

[Bhikkustan]

At the very least East Turkestan, Tibet should be independent and Inner Mongolia returned to Mongolia. I would like to see a Hui state established as well to protect them, and independent Hong Kong is sensible.

[Hurdergaryp]

Don’t worry. The current iteration of China will inevitably collapse after any nation tries to attack its borders, especially India. The only issue here is preventing a new China from appearing.

Any iteration of China is hostile to humanity in general and its own subjects in particular. The very existence of China is by definition abuse of human rights.

Are you quoting from your geopolitical fan fiction? Sure looks like it.

[Bienenhalde]

Don’t worry. The current iteration of China will inevitably collapse after any nation tries to attack its borders, especially India. The only issue here is preventing a new China from appearing.

Any iteration of China is hostile to humanity in general and its own subjects in particular. The very existence of China is by definition abuse of human rights.

Yeah, I disagree. Just get rid of the communists and return to a traditional Confucian government and everything will be better.

[Norastan]

I see the PRC as the legit China, since they held the Chinese mainland since the CCP won the Chinese Civil War, but I do see Taiwan / ROC as an actual country since the remnants of the Kuomintang Party that controlled the ROC escaped to the island of Taiwan.

[Atheris]

PRC won the civil war, PRC exists, PRC is China.

Not that I enjoy that truth, but it's the truth nonetheless.

[The Jamesian Republic]

I think that Hong Kong and Macau should rebel along with Tibet and Turkestan. Taiwan should invade and reclaim the mainland. Though it is probably unlikely because Taiwan wants nothing to do with mainland.

[Feline Goetland]

Don’t worry. The current iteration of China will inevitably collapse after any nation tries to attack its borders, especially India. The only issue here is preventing a new China from appearing.

Any iteration of China is hostile to humanity in general and its own subjects in particular. The very existence of China is by definition abuse of human rights.

Yeah, I disagree. Just get rid of the communists and return to a traditional Confucian government and everything will be better.

That’s the last thing I can tolerate. I hate them as much as I hate the communists.

[Feline Goetland]

Don’t worry. The current iteration of China will inevitably collapse after any nation tries to attack its borders, especially India. The only issue here is preventing a new China from appearing.

Any iteration of China is hostile to humanity in general and its own subjects in particular. The very existence of China is by definition abuse of human rights.

Are you quoting from your geopolitical fan fiction? Sure looks like it.

Not really. Given Chinese history the days of the current iteration of China are numbered.

[Novus America]

PRC won the civil war, PRC exists, PRC is China.

Not that I enjoy that truth, but it's the truth nonetheless.

But they never took Taiwan. So by that we must assume Taiwan is not part of China.

Either there are two Chinas, or Taiwan is not part of China.

[Hurdergaryp]

Are you quoting from your geopolitical fan fiction? Sure looks like it.

Not really. Given Chinese history the days of the current iteration of China are numbered.

There you go with the fan fiction again.

[Vivolkha]

I think that Hong Kong and Macau should rebel along with Tibet and Turkestan. Taiwan should invade and reclaim the mainland. Though it is probably unlikely because Taiwan wants nothing to do with mainland.

What's the popular opinion in Macau about the PRC and the CCP? It doesn't seem to be nearly as negative as in Hong Kong.

[-Astoria-]

I think that Hong Kong and Macau should rebel along with Tibet and Turkestan. Taiwan should invade and reclaim the mainland. Though it is probably unlikely because Taiwan wants nothing to do with mainland.

What's the popular opinion in Macau about the PRC and the CCP? It doesn't seem to be nearly as negative as in Hong Kong.

IIRC generally positive when it comes to the Mainland.

[Feline Goetland]

The end of all iterations of China is a necessity in an interconnected world where despots could spread their tools of oppression.

The time has come for humanity in general and slaves of China (known as “the Chinese”) in particular to make war against China and Sinostatism until they completely collapse.

[Diahon]

not in its current form, no

were this two decades ago, a fair number of non-han would've stood pat with a china that did not disturb them -- something that's no longer the case now, with a han supremacist faux-imperial court obsessed with conformity, darwinian hierarchy, and turning taiwan into a slave-ridden wasteland

either that china is destroyed and replaced, or it will destroy far more than its minorities

mark my words

[Bombadil]

What's the popular opinion in Macau about the PRC and the CCP? It doesn't seem to be nearly as negative as in Hong Kong.

IIRC generally positive when it comes to the Mainland.

Institutions weren't particularly developed by the Portugese and it's basically a casino economy so they're much less bothered, I would say the Macanese had some sympathy for HK but certainly not enough to act.

The only way forward is for Xi Jinping to be toppled internally and a more 'open and reform' movement to take his place. However there is no way of knowing the sentiment within the party, and he's accrued way too much power. Ideally he makes a dumb move, which he's prone to do given he's created a party of zero dissent and thus people will only tell him what he wants to hear.

Fingers crossed.

[Feline Goetland]

not in its current form, no

were this two decades ago, a fair number of non-han would've stood pat with a china that did not disturb them -- something that's no longer the case now, with a han supremacist faux-imperial court obsessed with conformity, darwinian hierarchy, and turning taiwan into a slave-ridden wasteland

either that china is destroyed and replaced, or it will destroy far more than its minorities

mark my words

I would say beware of corruption. Unlike Nazi Germany, the Empire of Japan and the Soviet Union China has no military tradition at all and a military with very low morale and equipment of questionable quality. I will be very surprised if China could actually invade the Philippines militarily. However there is always some possibility that some quislings will let it in.

I would be amazed if China has the ability to conquer 10% of any country with the possible exception of Bhutan (e.g. it is possible that it can sneak some troops in before Bhutanese notice them).

What’s really necessary right now is an immediate humanity vs China war which should be able to take down China very soon. What’s concerning is that China may be resurrected in a different form.

[Frisbeeteria]

To me, the Chinese Civil War ended in 1991 when the Republic of China ratified a new constitution which recognized the PRC no longer as a rebellion.