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Shall China exist?

China is a legit country with roughly its current borders and that PRC is the legit China.
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China is a legit country with roughly its current borders and that ROC is the legit China.
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17%
China is a legit country. However Tibet, East Turkestan etc should be independent and China proper needs to be run by some form of ROC.
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49%
China is not a legit country. Even China proper needs to be divided into numerous successor states.
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Total votes : 285

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Willtime
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Postby Willtime » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:46 am

Feline Goetland wrote:
Smenovekhovtia wrote:

Just trying to remind everyone that the west is just as brutal if not more brutal

The West (as well as Japan, Israel and other normal countries) at least treats its own ethnic/racial group much better than China which is precisely why China needs to be abolished. The more Chinese you are the worse China treats you.



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Smenovekhovtia
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Postby Smenovekhovtia » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:47 am

Picairn wrote:
Smenovekhovtia wrote:*Insert 300+ years of slavery and native american genocide*

*insert 1000 years of Chinese colonization of Vietnam and numerous invasions and atrocities committed by its dynasties*

ok?

I agree, the same argument can be applied to The United States so do you believe in the destruction of America?
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Southern Relancea
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Postby Southern Relancea » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:48 am

I'm saying that federalism is the way forward for any country. It makes governance both easy and more accessible to the people.

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Postby Willtime » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:49 am

Picairn wrote:
Smenovekhovtia wrote:*Insert 300+ years of slavery and native american genocide*

*insert 1000 years of Chinese colonization of Vietnam and numerous invasions and atrocities committed by its dynasties*


It looks like US is more thorough.

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Postby Feline Goetland » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:49 am

Willtime wrote:
Feline Goetland wrote:The West (as well as Japan, Israel and other normal countries) at least treats its own ethnic/racial group much better than China which is precisely why China needs to be abolished. The more Chinese you are the worse China treats you.



The best way to defend racism.


At least in a world where tribalism is rampant ethnostates are a solution. This is why Israel exists which does work for the Jewish people.
Goetland is not China.

China as a state is inherently evil which needs to be rectified by oppressed nations controlled by it regaining our righteous independence just like the independence of Finland, Baltic States, Poland and Ukraine from iterations of the Russian empire.

No more anti-Anglo, antisemitic and anti-Japanese nonsense, no more communist party, no more theft of wealth from Wu-speaking lands by Beijing, no more Boxer Rebellion-style xenophobia and it’s modern successors. America, Israel and Japan are inherently awesome.

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Postby Picairn » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:49 am

Smenovekhovtia wrote:ok?

I agree, the same argument can be applied to The United States so do you believe in the destruction of America?

Do their crimes match on the same level? Or is this comparison a false equivalence?
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Postby Vivolkha » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:49 am

On the main topic itself, while the PRC's internal and external policies pose a problem, this isn't a reason to outright deny the existence of the Chinese state.
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Postby New Carthagea » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:50 am

Southern Relancea wrote:I'm saying that federalism is the way forward for any country. It makes governance both easy and more accessible to the people.

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Postby Smenovekhovtia » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:51 am

Picairn wrote:
Smenovekhovtia wrote:ok?

I agree, the same argument can be applied to The United States so do you believe in the destruction of America?

Do their crimes match on the same level? Or is this comparison a false equivalence?

Yes, they match word for word lmao

Again, we literally genocided an entire ethnic group and currently have the remainders essentially penned up in poverty traps
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Postby Feline Goetland » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:51 am

Southern Relancea wrote:I'm saying that federalism is the way forward for any country. It makes governance both easy and more accessible to the people.

I agree.
Goetland is not China.

China as a state is inherently evil which needs to be rectified by oppressed nations controlled by it regaining our righteous independence just like the independence of Finland, Baltic States, Poland and Ukraine from iterations of the Russian empire.

No more anti-Anglo, antisemitic and anti-Japanese nonsense, no more communist party, no more theft of wealth from Wu-speaking lands by Beijing, no more Boxer Rebellion-style xenophobia and it’s modern successors. America, Israel and Japan are inherently awesome.

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Postby Picairn » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:52 am

Willtime wrote:It looks like US is more thorough.

Got any sources for that, to prove that the US is more "thorough" than China in terms of atrocities?
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Postby Linkers Sha » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:52 am

Southern Relancea wrote:I'm saying that federalism is the way forward for any country. It makes governance both easy and more accessible to the people.


Well if its the way forward for any country why does countries are still using republics as their type of goverment ???
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Postby Smenovekhovtia » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:53 am

Picairn wrote:
Willtime wrote:It looks like US is more thorough.

Got any sources for that, to prove that the US is more "thorough" than China in terms of atrocities?

Did you sleep through history class or something
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Postby Willtime » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:53 am

Feline Goetland wrote:
Willtime wrote:

The best way to defend racism.


At least in a world where tribalism is rampant ethnostates are a solution. This is why Israel exists which does work for the Jewish people.


Victory gives justice to victory itself,good point.

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Postby Kowani » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:53 am

I'm sure this will go well.
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Postby Picairn » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:54 am

Smenovekhovtia wrote:Yes, they match word for word lmao

Again, we literally genocided an entire ethnic group and currently have the remainders essentially penned up in poverty traps

Is the US currently rounding up Native Americans into concentration camps and harvesting their organs like the Uyghurs?
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Postby Picairn » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:54 am

Smenovekhovtia wrote:Did you sleep through history class or something

Did you study Chinese history at all, most notably its colonization efforts in neighboring countries?
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The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Ayn Rand is a war criminal

Vivian James wrote:It is sophistry to try to redefine your opponent's arguments. It might feel good...

But so can jerking off in a subway.

The Emerald Legion wrote:Nobody generates wealth. Wealth exists. You simply shift it around, or sometimes discover more.

Atheris wrote:Blaming religion for Trump is like blaming science for tear gas.

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Postby Smenovekhovtia » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:55 am

Picairn wrote:
Smenovekhovtia wrote:Yes, they match word for word lmao

Again, we literally genocided an entire ethnic group and currently have the remainders essentially penned up in poverty traps

Is the US currently rounding up Native Americans into concentration camps and harvesting their organs like the Uyghurs?

Literally yes
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Postby Willtime » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:55 am

Picairn wrote:
Willtime wrote:It looks like US is more thorough.

Got any sources for that, to prove that the US is more "thorough" than China in terms of atrocities?


Vietnam is still there.
And there is only one America.
Which one is more thorough?

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Postby Feline Goetland » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:55 am

Willtime wrote:
Feline Goetland wrote:
At least in a world where tribalism is rampant ethnostates are a solution. This is why Israel exists which does work for the Jewish people.


Victory gives justice to victory itself,good point.


It does work. Without Israel liberals and some nice religious people will keep crying over one pogrom after another without actually solving the problem of Jewish safety. With Israel and IDF they have already been mostly solved.
Goetland is not China.

China as a state is inherently evil which needs to be rectified by oppressed nations controlled by it regaining our righteous independence just like the independence of Finland, Baltic States, Poland and Ukraine from iterations of the Russian empire.

No more anti-Anglo, antisemitic and anti-Japanese nonsense, no more communist party, no more theft of wealth from Wu-speaking lands by Beijing, no more Boxer Rebellion-style xenophobia and it’s modern successors. America, Israel and Japan are inherently awesome.

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Postby Picairn » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:55 am

Smenovekhovtia wrote:Literally yes

Lol no, but thanks for playing.
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Long live the Emperor!
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Ayn Rand is a war criminal

Vivian James wrote:It is sophistry to try to redefine your opponent's arguments. It might feel good...

But so can jerking off in a subway.

The Emerald Legion wrote:Nobody generates wealth. Wealth exists. You simply shift it around, or sometimes discover more.

Atheris wrote:Blaming religion for Trump is like blaming science for tear gas.

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Smenovekhovtia
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Postby Smenovekhovtia » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:56 am

Picairn wrote:
Smenovekhovtia wrote:Did you sleep through history class or something

Did you study Chinese history at all, most notably its colonization efforts in neighboring countries?

Again, im not defending the chinese government

Im an anarchist for christ sake, no state should exist in my opinion

Its ridiculously stupid to ignore the atrocities of the west and target the atrocities of the east
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Postby Feline Goetland » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:57 am

Smenovekhovtia wrote:
Picairn wrote:Is the US currently rounding up Native Americans into concentration camps and harvesting their organs like the Uyghurs?

Literally yes


Evidence? Are you aware that there used to be an ethnic group, Dzungars? What happened to them? Is there some Dzungar reservation out there in China??
Goetland is not China.

China as a state is inherently evil which needs to be rectified by oppressed nations controlled by it regaining our righteous independence just like the independence of Finland, Baltic States, Poland and Ukraine from iterations of the Russian empire.

No more anti-Anglo, antisemitic and anti-Japanese nonsense, no more communist party, no more theft of wealth from Wu-speaking lands by Beijing, no more Boxer Rebellion-style xenophobia and it’s modern successors. America, Israel and Japan are inherently awesome.

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Smenovekhovtia
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Postby Smenovekhovtia » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:57 am

Feline Goetland wrote:
Willtime wrote:
Victory gives justice to victory itself,good point.


It does work. Without Israel liberals and some nice religious people will keep crying over one pogrom after another without actually solving the problem of Jewish safety. With Israel and IDF they have already been mostly solved.

Funny how "Jewish Safety" actually means the ethnic cleansing of Palestinian peoples
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Postby Willtime » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:57 am

Picairn wrote:
Smenovekhovtia wrote:Yes, they match word for word lmao

Again, we literally genocided an entire ethnic group and currently have the remainders essentially penned up in poverty traps

Is the US currently rounding up Native Americans into concentration camps and harvesting their organs like the Uyghurs?


Rewards for the scalp,human leather boots.
and what about Uyghurs?
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