Australian Political & Infrastructure Discussion Thread

[Australian rePublic]

I'm sorry, but how exactly does building parks and green space help the economy? Temporary construction jobs to build them sure, but beyond that. The thing is with a government employ (outside of state owned enterprise, which is a whole different kettle of fish) it makes no difference to the economy whether you pay them minimum wage for unemployment vs minimum wage for working, so for the economy, it makes difference whether you pay a person unemployment or if you pay them to be a gardener (now, of coarse, it gets more complex when taking taxes into account, and the fact that minimum wage is above that of unemployment). The only difference is which level of government pays for that person (i.e. local government, state/territory government or federal government). Saying you're going to create a bunch of government jobs in order to reduce unemployment is a bit redundant.

I was just giving ideas. I did include education and healthcare, and there'll be a lot of demand for that in future.
Why not boost those areas?

I'm not saying that we don't need more greenery, I'm saying that it doesn't generate any money for the economy. But it doesn't need to generate money in order to be a good idea. (The only exception to that is running a business, and even that's not that simple). Same applies to health and education, both of which need more money, and education at least, does provide money for the economy in the long run. Now, I will concede that maintaining gardens does provide the economic benefit of buying garden equient and things such as fertiliser, but it's negligible

[Australian rePublic]

Hey congratulations on Queensland hosting the 2032 Olympics!!!

You know what would be crazy, but ultimately good for the country? To bid to host the Winter Olympics. Even if the bid is pie in the sky, the amount of infrastructure required for it could only be good for our winter tourism industry. Further, it doesn't have to necessarily be pie in the sky- not many cities bid to host the Olympics any more, and next year, Beijing will host the Winter Olympics on artifical snow, and we have the advantage of real snow- albeit not as good as Russia or the USA or Canada or Japan or Scandinavia, but apparently comparable to the part of Sputh Korea which hosted the 2018 Winter Games. Can you imagine, Canberra Winter Olympics or Cooma Winter Olympics, or Jindabyne Winter Olympics, or Hobart Winter Olympics, or Albury Winter Olympics, or Wangaratta Winter Olympics, or Mt. Beauty Winter Olympics?

[Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts]

Hey congratulations on Queensland hosting the 2032 Olympics!!!

You know what would be crazy, but ultimately good for the country? To bid to host the Winter Olympics. Even if the bid is pie in the sky, the amount of infrastructure required for it could only be good for our winter tourism industry. Further, it doesn't have to necessarily be pie in the sky- not many cities bid to host the Olympics any more, and next year, Beijing will host the Winter Olympics on artifical snow, and we have the advantage of real snow- albeit not as good as Russia or the USA or Canada or Japan or Scandinavia, but apparently comparable to the part of Sputh Korea which hosted the 2018 Winter Games. Can you imagine, Canberra Winter Olympics or Cooma Winter Olympics, or Jindabyne Winter Olympics, or Hobart Winter Olympics, or Albury Winter Olympics, or Wangaratta Winter Olympics, or Mt. Beauty Winter Olympics?

okay...I don't follow the Olympics, but ok. I went to the Comm. Games on the Gold Coast in 2018 to see an event at Carrara. (had to walk past a sewerage truck on the way there because parking was all the way up the street and in cul-de-sacs, but whatever.)

Y'know, something hit me.
When I watch videos of the T6 Carlingford line's last day (e.g. by Sydney Trains Vlogs) and now that ppl know it'll be converted to light rail - some people, especially rail enthusiasts, aren't happy with this. A rural branch line in the middle of Sydney.

Is light rail really the right solution? I mean, sure, I support it, and given how bad I hear Parramatta Road is, thank GOD that bad crossing is gone, but it seems sort of weird.
According to an old cityrail map they planned to extend the Carlingford line to Epping....but that never came to fruition.
Maybe that would have saved it???

Idk why the T9 Line exists either.

I've also noticed that Labor state governments tend to get voted out (at least from what's happened in the recent decade), and especially in the early 2010s when all the eastern states seemed to turn blue, because of an infrastructure stuff-up.

For Keneally, it was the Carr Government's cowardice over Epping-Parramatta, among other things. And other things on Keneally's plate.
For Brumby, it was the bloody Myki, aka Melbourne's GO/Opal system that the Liberals campaigned against in 2010.
And for good old Anna Bligh, the lady who was Premier during one of the worst floods in modern QLD's history, her downfall was selling off public assets like Queensland Rail's freight services, and other stuff. That not only dug Labor deeper into their own grave, where the LNP tossed them into a meat grinder (figuratively) and cut them down to 7 seats.

And yet somehow, they managed to recover in just one term - stealing back around 40-or-so seats from the LNP come the next election.

Strangely, Anna Bligh's undoing turned out to do the same - in some small part - to Newman, since he had pledged (according to IA) to privatise Energex, Stanwell (which owns Tarong Power Station) and Ergon, the state's government-owned electricity distributors. That would probably force AGL and Origin into a corner, as many in QLD are on the Ergon or Energex network.

https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/here-we-joh-again-lnps-strong-choices-to-hit-families-hard,7273

[The Socialist Republic of Astrakhan]

The United States is a trillion times better than Australia.

[Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts]

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[Sungoldy-China]

Question:
Should performing lewd acts on Parliamentarians' desks be
considered normal or absolutely disgusting?

Depends on whether we can get free resources to appreciate

[Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts]

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jul/21/coalition-believes-it-has-numbers-to-stop-great-barrier-reef-being-listed-as-in-danger?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Unusual call from the Australian Government....I thought the Great Barrier Reef was one of Australia's most important ecosystems

[Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts]

There have been quite a few anti-lockdown protests lately - and MP George Christensen - the guy who starred in an infamous photo where was holding a whip - was caught attending and rallying people to attend it.

Put that aside, it reminds me again of one of my favourite political cartoons - and not in a good way. It's......actually kind of sad now,, to put it lightly.
This, may, and this is hypothetical, but judging by the bullsh*t I'm hearing from Sky News, and Clive Palmer mailing people letters full of dis-information about the vaccine, I'm wondering whether that had any part to play.
Now that there is a dedicated Sky News channel for regional areas - where things like climate action are already hard to win people over with - and this is just pure speculation - but fast-forward 5 years or so, and you get things like the anti-lockdown protests.

Freedom of speech should be protected - but that does not mean everything one says is true
just because 'it's their opinion'. There's a fine line between fact and opinion - and Sky News, Clive and MPs like Craig Kelly
seem to conflate that line.

[Washington Resistance Army]

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jul/21/coalition-believes-it-has-numbers-to-stop-great-barrier-reef-being-listed-as-in-danger?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Unusual call from the Australian Government....I thought the Great Barrier Reef was one of Australia's most important ecosystems

The Barrier Reef is more or less entirely dead because of climate change.

[Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts]

Also, I hear the Bankstown Line is about to be shut for a little while to convert it to metro.

[Australian rePublic]

Hey congratulations on Queensland hosting the 2032 Olympics!!!

You know what would be crazy, but ultimately good for the country? To bid to host the Winter Olympics. Even if the bid is pie in the sky, the amount of infrastructure required for it could only be good for our winter tourism industry. Further, it doesn't have to necessarily be pie in the sky- not many cities bid to host the Olympics any more, and next year, Beijing will host the Winter Olympics on artifical snow, and we have the advantage of real snow- albeit not as good as Russia or the USA or Canada or Japan or Scandinavia, but apparently comparable to the part of Sputh Korea which hosted the 2018 Winter Games. Can you imagine, Canberra Winter Olympics or Cooma Winter Olympics, or Jindabyne Winter Olympics, or Hobart Winter Olympics, or Albury Winter Olympics, or Wangaratta Winter Olympics, or Mt. Beauty Winter Olympics?

okay...I don't follow the Olympics, but ok. I went to the Comm. Games on the Gold Coast in 2018 to see an event at Carrara. (had to walk past a sewerage truck on the way there because parking was all the way up the street and in cul-de-sacs, but whatever.)

Y'know, something hit me.
When I watch videos of the T6 Carlingford line's last day (e.g. by Sydney Trains Vlogs) and now that ppl know it'll be converted to light rail - some people, especially rail enthusiasts, aren't happy with this. A rural branch line in the middle of Sydney.

Is light rail really the right solution? I mean, sure, I support it, and given how bad I hear Parramatta Road is, thank GOD that bad crossing is gone, but it seems sort of weird.
According to an old cityrail map they planned to extend the Carlingford line to Epping....but that never came to fruition.
Maybe that would have saved it???

Idk why the T9 Line exists either.

I've also noticed that Labor state governments tend to get voted out (at least from what's happened in the recent decade), and especially in the early 2010s when all the eastern states seemed to turn blue, because of an infrastructure stuff-up.

For Keneally, it was the Carr Government's cowardice over Epping-Parramatta, among other things. And other things on Keneally's plate.
For Brumby, it was the bloody Myki, aka Melbourne's GO/Opal system that the Liberals campaigned against in 2010.
And for good old Anna Bligh, the lady who was Premier during one of the worst floods in modern QLD's history, her downfall was selling off public assets like Queensland Rail's freight services, and other stuff. That not only dug Labor deeper into their own grave, where the LNP tossed them into a meat grinder (figuratively) and cut them down to 7 seats.

And yet somehow, they managed to recover in just one term - stealing back around 40-or-so seats from the LNP come the next election.

Strangely, Anna Bligh's undoing turned out to do the same - in some small part - to Newman, since he had pledged (according to IA) to privatise Energex, Stanwell (which owns Tarong Power Station) and Ergon, the state's government-owned electricity distributors. That would probably force AGL and Origin into a corner, as many in QLD are on the Ergon or Energex network.

https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/here-we-joh-again-lnps-strong-choices-to-hit-families-hard,7273

Yea, Labor are really good at that. As for the T9 rail line in Sydney, it's a few stations along the main rail corridor between Sydney and Brisbane, and serves major suburbs such as Epping. It needs to exist

[Australian rePublic]

Also, I hear the Bankstown Line is about to be shut for a little while to convert it to metro.

Correct. It's already had major shut downs

[Australian rePublic]

Here's a petition about Australian infrastructure- particularly to build a metro station at Silverwater/Newington. The new Sydney metro line from Parramatta to the CBD will run right past Newington/Silverwater, but will not stop there, despite the fact that the only public transport there is a half-hourly bus, and this station is desperately needed. I did NOT start this petition, but I do highly support, which is why I am sharing it here.
https://www.change.org/p/metro-west-for-north-lidcombe

If I started a petition for Australia to host the Winter Olympics, would anyone sign it?

[Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts]

Yea, Labor are really good at that. As for the T9 rail line in Sydney, it's a few stations along the main rail corridor between Sydney and Brisbane, and serves major suburbs such as Epping. It needs to exist

Liberals pledged to privatise state-owned power assets, and people really didn't like that.

As for the T9 rail line and Carlingford Line, I mentioned that there was outrage about it.

We have a similar line to the Carlingford line in Brisbane called the Doomben line - it used to go all the way to the Port of Brisbane - closed - and opened to Doomben only. It's the T6 Line of Brisbane, it serves only a few stations. Less than the Carlingford Line, I believe, if you leave out Eagle Junction, just four stops that take passengers - on one track.

[Australian rePublic]

Yea, Labor are really good at that. As for the T9 rail line in Sydney, it's a few stations along the main rail corridor between Sydney and Brisbane, and serves major suburbs such as Epping. It needs to exist

Liberals pledged to privatise state-owned power assets, and people really didn't like that.

As for the T9 rail line and Carlingford Line, I mentioned that there was outrage about it.

We have a similar line to the Carlingford line in Brisbane called the Doomben line - it used to go all the way to the Port of Brisbane - closed - and opened to Doomben only. It's the T6 Line of Brisbane, it serves only a few stations. Less than the Carlingford Line, I believe, if you leave out Eagle Junction, just four stops that take passengers - on one track.

I see

[Australian rePublic]

Kerry Chant vs Janett Young-

Kerry Chant- if you're under 40, get the AZ vaccine. I had it, my parents had it my husband had it, my inlaws, it's a safe vaccine

Janett Young- Covid is safer for under 40's than AstroZenica (which any competitant doctor would tell you is untrue)

Kerry Chant is mpre intelligent than Janett Young. Something I'd never thought I'd say after Ruby Princess

[Australian rePublic]

Google are claiming that they're clamping down on fake news with regards to Covid-19. Yea, bullshit! And I'm a purple leprechaun who shits rainbows

[Imperial isa]

Google are claiming that they're clamping down on fake news with regards to Covid-19. Yea, bullshit! And I'm a purple leprechaun who shits rainbows

That reminds me got one of clive palmer's bullshit letters the other day.

[Arisyan]

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jul/21/coalition-believes-it-has-numbers-to-stop-great-barrier-reef-being-listed-as-in-danger?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Unusual call from the Australian Government....I thought the Great Barrier Reef was one of Australia's most important ecosystems

No, not unusual at all honestly. If anything im surprised they don't want to demolish it completely.

[The Socialist Republic of Astrakhan]

Australia is a stupid sparsely populated country.

[Farnhamia]

Australia is a stupid sparsely populated country.

*** Warned for trolling ***

[New Jacobland]

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jul/21/coalition-believes-it-has-numbers-to-stop-great-barrier-reef-being-listed-as-in-danger?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Unusual call from the Australian Government....I thought the Great Barrier Reef was one of Australia's most important ecosystems

No, not unusual at all honestly. If anything im surprised they don't want to demolish it completely.

Nah, gotta keep enough of it for those juicy tourist dollars!

[Australian rePublic]

Australia is a stupid sparsely populated country.

That's because there isn't enough water to sustain the people we currently have, let alone more

[Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts]

Australia is a stupid sparsely populated country.

That's because there isn't enough water to sustain the people we currently have, let alone more

How about we start getting ppl to start declaring how much water they own the license to? Like in - and especially in - the Murray Darling Basin?

[Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts]

Google are claiming that they're clamping down on fake news with regards to Covid-19. Yea, bullshit! And I'm a purple leprechaun who shits rainbows

That reminds me got one of clive palmer's bullshit letters the other day.

Remember when he tried to get Western Australia to open their borders?