Australian Political & Infrastructure Discussion Thread

[Australian rePublic]

Labor retained Gilmore? Good for them. I'm not sure if climate change is a much of an issue with regards to our Pacific neighbour and China as is corruption. I mean, China doesn't give a rat's arse about climate change

Focussing on climate change would do us a lot of favours (e.g., transform us into an energy powerhouse by investing into renewables, we're able to produce more than enough electricity for our population and it would have the Pacific nations be more favourable to us because we're concerned about their number 1 priority (to oversimplify it)

Sure, but that's a different matter and doesn't change what I said

[Dazchan]

Chair of the Australian Monarchist League unironically describes an elected member of parliament being appointed a minister as “undemocratic”.

[Australian rePublic]

Chair of the Australian Monarchist League unironically describes an elected member of parliament being appointed a minister as “undemocratic”.

Did you know in Greek, "Democracy" and "Republic" are the same word? I wonder how they discuss American politics in Greek...

Anyway, I don't necessarily disagree. It's not that the minister was undemocratic elected, it's that his portfolio was undemocratically created. He didn't even consider whether or not anyone wants to be a republic. Creating a "Minister of the Republic" assumes that we want a republic, which is undemocratic assumption, considering that no body ever asked

[Perikuresu]

Focussing on climate change would do us a lot of favours (e.g., transform us into an energy powerhouse by investing into renewables, we're able to produce more than enough electricity for our population and it would have the Pacific nations be more favourable to us because we're concerned about their number 1 priority (to oversimplify it)

Sure, but that's a different matter and doesn't change what I said

Oof, must have read that wrong then, still, it's certainly a big issue for nations like Tuvalu (which isn't on China's list due to them recognising Taiwan) and Kiribati as they're low lying islands in danger of sinking (i'm pretty sure some uninhabited islands have sunk already), to oversimplify it, once they're gone, who's next on the chopping block? (I mean you can google the sizes of pacific island nations)

If we're not there to help them, well, they're gonna take any help they can get, even if China doesn't really care about Climate Change, but then, I'm pretty sure they're aware of that, cause they're also pretty wary of China (which most likely has other reasons too), especially since after the Solomons deal. I can't speak for the rest of the 9 countries, but I heard the FS of Micronesia has voiced their wariness and China has been unable to get their 10 target nations for their deal that they scrapped, then watered down their deal.

Chair of the Australian Monarchist League unironically describes an elected member of parliament being appointed a minister as “undemocratic”.

Did you know in Greek, "Democracy" and "Republic" are the same word? I wonder how they discuss American politics in Greek...

Anyway, I don't necessarily disagree. It's not that the minister was undemocratic elected, it's that his portfolio was undemocratically created. He didn't even consider whether or not anyone wants to be a republic. Creating a "Minister of the Republic" assumes that we want a republic, which is undemocratic assumption, considering that no body ever asked

I've heard about this Minister for the Republic thing but like, what is it about? Also there's more problems (cost of living, health and aged care in need of improvement, closing the gap between Indigenous and non-Indigenous peoples, breaking up media monopoly, flood cleanups, etc.) than transitioning into a republic, frankly I don't give two shits about this Republic vs Monarchy issue, and to put it in perspective: I think a flag change is more important than that issue

[Dazchan]

Chair of the Australian Monarchist League unironically describes an elected member of parliament being appointed a minister as “undemocratic”.

Did you know in Greek, "Democracy" and "Republic" are the same word? I wonder how they discuss American politics in Greek...

Anyway, I don't necessarily disagree. It's not that the minister was undemocratic elected, it's that his portfolio was undemocratically created. He didn't even consider whether or not anyone wants to be a republic. Creating a "Minister of the Republic" assumes that we want a republic, which is undemocratic assumption, considering that no body ever asked

There’s actually been a lot of talk about becoming a republic recently, especially with the Queen’s current health problems and the reality that she won’t be around much longer. Having a minister responsible for exploring the viability of different models and coordinating the referendum when the time is right makes sense. Claiming that giving an elected member of parliament responsibility over an issue likely to be faced during the current term is undemocratic is nonsense.

[Imperial isa]

Did you know in Greek, "Democracy" and "Republic" are the same word? I wonder how they discuss American politics in Greek...

Anyway, I don't necessarily disagree. It's not that the minister was undemocratic elected, it's that his portfolio was undemocratically created. He didn't even consider whether or not anyone wants to be a republic. Creating a "Minister of the Republic" assumes that we want a republic, which is undemocratic assumption, considering that no body ever asked

There’s actually been a lot of talk about becoming a republic recently, especially with the Queen’s current health problems and the reality that she won’t be around much longer. Having a minister responsible for exploring the viability of different models and coordinating the referendum when the time is right makes sense. Claiming that giving an elected member of parliament responsibility over an issue likely to be faced during the current term is undemocratic is nonsense.

Has there been talk, i haven't heard any.

[Perikuresu]

Has there been talk, i haven't heard any.

Me neither

[Perikuresu]

Labor submits an application to the Fair Work Commission to increase the pay for minimum wages

One of Labor's main agenda is the Uluru Statement from heart and a referendum on an Indigenous voice to Parliament and something about the him saying that the ALP will “supports and will work toward establishing an Australian republic with an Australian head of state”

[Australian rePublic]

Has there been talk, i haven't heard any.

Me neither

Neither have I

[Perikuresu]

What do we have here? Shitfuckery? Definitely

[Australian rePublic]

What do we have here? Shitfuckery? Definitely

Good. Google is an evil company. Google can shove it so far up its arse that it gets stuck in its thought. If you ask me, the figure that they had to pay Baralaro had three zeros missing from the end of it. $715,000 is a fucking joke. $715,000,000 would be more apt! What a drop in the ocean! Google will continue to be fuckwits when they get virtually zero punishment. Fuck Google! Seriously, $750,000? Geez, Google uses more than that as toilet when their fuckwit CEO takes a shit. Add three more zeros to that, and Google will really get what they deserve. $750,000, what a fucking joke! $750,000 seriously? Geez, they line their fucking urinals with that. That's extremely unjust against Barilaro. No wonder they continue being shit heads when their punishment is less than a slap on the wrist

[Arisyan]

Labor submits an application to the Fair Work Commission to increase the pay for minimum wages

One of Labor's main agenda is the Uluru Statement from heart and a referendum on an Indigenous voice to Parliament and something about the him saying that the ALP will “supports and will work toward establishing an Australian republic with an Australian head of state”

Based and redpilled. Labor may be neoliberal shills or whatever, but at least they care enough about workers and Indigenous Australians, unlike the previous government.

[Perikuresu]

So, we've repaid the French over our AUKUS fuckup, and our defence minister met with his Chinese counterpart in I think Singapore

[Australian rePublic]

Huge power shortages on the east coast due to all coal and gas being exported

Whilst this specific crisis is caused by being able to get more money from overseas markets, there is also a problem of a shortage of local coal power plants. I said it before and I'll say it again, there is no difference environmentally between exporting coal or using it locally. Hopefully we learn that lesson from this electricity crisis

[Perikuresu]

Huge power shortages on the east coast due to all coal and gas being exported

Whilst this specific crisis is caused by being able to get more money from overseas markets, there is also a problem of a shortage of local coal power plants. I said it before and I'll say it again, there is no difference environmentally between exporting coal or using it locally. Hopefully we learn that lesson from this electricity crisis

Perhaps it's not about the environmental issue but which option gives more money to companies? Just think about it, we have more than enough resources and land to create sufficient energy (both non-renewables like fossil fuels and gas and renewables alike) for us and our neighbours like Japan who has a larger population than us and insufficient lands and resources (ok, maybe the latter is true for just Japan?) who need to meet the energy demands of their citizens, wouldn't a lot of money be made by exporting all of our coal and gas over to them to make energy for them then locally?

But yeah, we all gotta have to conserve a lot more now. So.... uhhh good luck!

[Australian rePublic]

Albo is criticised for being overseas during floods in NSW

He's now gained the nickname "Airbus Albo". He DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT the floods till 48 hours afterward. From someone who was criticising Scomo for not being here during the fires, what's he doing now- and yes, a diplomatic mission overseas is very different to a holiday, but still, to NOT KNOW about the floods is bad.

Albo is also criticised for forcing the rest of us to tighten our belts to cut emissions whilst flying around the world

Albo might be a really good guy, with all the right intentions, but gosh, he's got an unhealthy obsession with junkets

[Australian rePublic]

Huge power shortages on the east coast due to all coal and gas being exported

Whilst this specific crisis is caused by being able to get more money from overseas markets, there is also a problem of a shortage of local coal power plants. I said it before and I'll say it again, there is no difference environmentally between exporting coal or using it locally. Hopefully we learn that lesson from this electricity crisis

Perhaps it's not about the environmental issue but which option gives more money to companies? Just think about it, we have more than enough resources and land to create sufficient energy (both non-renewables like fossil fuels and gas and renewables alike) for us and our neighbours like Japan who has a larger population than us and insufficient lands and resources (ok, maybe the latter is true for just Japan?) who need to meet the energy demands of their citizens, wouldn't a lot of money be made by exporting all of our coal and gas over to them to make energy for them then locally?

But yeah, we all gotta have to conserve a lot more now. So.... uhhh good luck!

You missed my point. My point is that there is NO difference to emissions whether we our resources ourselves or export them.

[Gouverne]

fuck i havent posted here in ages. what are your thoughts on the fourth flood event in 18 months?

edit: also the meeting between Albo and Ardern, and the upcoming meeting (in about 2 hours) between Wong + Wang.

[Perikuresu]

Wow how long has it been, anyways are we seriously fighting each other over Adam Bandt not standing in front of the Aussie flag

I wanna talk about PIF too, but I'm not sure if anyone's gonna talk about it here

[Gouverne]

Wow how long has it been, anyways are we seriously fighting each other over Adam Bandt not standing in front of the Aussie flag

I wanna talk about PIF too, but I'm not sure if anyone's gonna talk about it here

I dunno, I think it's his choice whether he wishes to stand in front of the flag or not. With the forum, kinda old news now but hopefully they found a way to get into Albo's mind that building new coal and gas plants is maybe not a good idea?

[Australian rePublic]

What pisses me off is that the greeny crowd and the NIMBY crowd tend to be the same people. They argue for more public transport, but when the government wants to build it, they go full NIMBY

Albo is reacting very slowly to the potential foot and mouth disease outbreak, let's see how he copes with this crisis

fuck i havent posted here in ages. what are your thoughts on the fourth flood event in 18 months?

edit: also the meeting between Albo and Ardern, and the upcoming meeting (in about 2 hours) between Wong + Wang.

We need to raise the wall of Warragamba Damn

[Perikuresu]

What pisses me off is that the greeny crowd and the NIMBY crowd tend to be the same people. They argue for more public transport, but when the government wants to build it, they go full NIMBY

Albo is reacting very slowly to the potential foot and mouth disease outbreak, let's see how he copes with this crisis

What is NIMBY?

Right now, Australia's on prevention mode, so airports are already beginning to, if not already equipped with equipment to clean shoes and travellers from Indonesia are warned to clean their shoes. As of now, F&M Disease hasn't reached our shores yet, and the news outlets are calling Australia to close it's borders (A part of me feels like this is ironic)

[Australian rePublic]

What pisses me off is that the greeny crowd and the NIMBY crowd tend to be the same people. They argue for more public transport, but when the government wants to build it, they go full NIMBY

Albo is reacting very slowly to the potential foot and mouth disease outbreak, let's see how he copes with this crisis

What is NIMBY?

Right now, Australia's on prevention mode, so airports are already beginning to, if not already equipped with equipment to clean shoes and travellers from Indonesia are warned to clean their shoes. As of now, F&M Disease hasn't reached our shores yet, and the news outlets are calling Australia to close it's borders (A part of me feels like this is ironic)

Why is this ironic? I agree, close borders to all F&M countries (not just Indonesia) until a permanent solution can be found

As for NIMBY, it stands for "Not in My Back Yard" which is a group of people who advocate for more rail lines, or more social housing, or more refugee intake, or whatever, so long as it doesn't happen anywhere near their neighbourhood

Western Australia is racist and doesn't take in enough refugees, but se don't want refugees in North Freemantle or Onslow. How dare you bring refugees here. But if the plebs don't want refugees in Midland, then they're racist and heartless. Fucking racist, heartless plebs. That's pretty much NIMBY. Western Australia needs more housing comission, but we don't want housing comission in North Freemantle, let the plebs in Midland have the housing comission. Midlands doesn't want more housing comission, fucking classist plebs!

I don't know what the situation is like over in the west, but here in NSW and VIC, the NIMBYS have way too much power

[Perikuresu]

Albo's first time in Question time

Pauline Hanson walks out of Parliament during the Acknowledgement to Country because "she didn't and never would acknowledge Indigenous lands in Australia" (a spokesperson says Pauline believes that Australia belongs to her as much it does belong to any other Australian, indigenous or otherwise, but let's be honest here, that feels like a smokescreen)

Western Australia is racist and doesn't take in enough refugees, but se don't want refugees in North Freemantle or Onslow. How dare you bring refugees here. But if the plebs don't want refugees in Midland, then they're racist and heartless. Fucking racist, heartless plebs. That's pretty much NIMBY. Western Australia needs more housing comission, but we don't want housing comission in North Freemantle, let the plebs in Midland have the housing comission. Midlands doesn't want more housing comission, fucking classist plebs!

I don't know what the situation is like over in the west, but here in NSW and VIC, the NIMBYS have way too much power

So is that more of a example than an actual situation, ur giving me mixed messages with the admission that u don't know what's going on in WA

Why is this ironic?

Ik these are different situations but it just sensed big deja vu from COVID days, when people clamoured to have borders open to help the economy

[Perikuresu]

The government introduced a bill to enshrine the 43% emissions cut target by 2030 to be a legal requirement/law for Australia

Labor has the numbers in the lower house, but not in the Senate, and in the Senate, the Greens aren't going to support the bill because the target is "too weak" and "will be unachievable unless the government also rules out approving any new coal or gas projects."
Also Adam Bandt said the government must be prepared to compromise on it's bill.

The Legislation will be dropped if it doesn't pass Parliament, it's "desirable" but not essential.