Australian Political & Infrastructure Discussion Thread

[Australian rePublic]

Well, folks, 15-hour time differences mean that I should've done this yesterday, but no matter. Here is my take on next week.

The last time Autralians went to get their democracy sausages, what came out of it was openly defying 50 consecutive polls with a LNP Majority and Tony Abbott's unusually sage advice about the troubles of voting for pro-climate measures. Now, however, Labor is ahead in far larger numbers both in first preference and TPP polls, and they also managed to eat the Liberals alive in South Australia back in March. Even One Nation is directing polls toward Labor as their number two in five seats, so I'm quite confident that it will be a Labor victory and that miracles won't happen twice. Whether Labor gets a majority with Albanese's somewhat middling popularity remains to be seen, but I think they'll get 74-77 seats with LNP going down to 70-72.

I recon there will be hung parliament with a slight, slight LNP majority. Most people who answer polls honestly tend to be on the left, so take that into account when relying on them. Either, if ALP win now, I doubt they'll get a second term

[Shrillland]

Well, folks, 15-hour time differences mean that I should've done this yesterday, but no matter. Here is my take on next week.

The last time Autralians went to get their democracy sausages, what came out of it was openly defying 50 consecutive polls with a LNP Majority and Tony Abbott's unusually sage advice about the troubles of voting for pro-climate measures. Now, however, Labor is ahead in far larger numbers both in first preference and TPP polls, and they also managed to eat the Liberals alive in South Australia back in March. Even One Nation is directing polls toward Labor as their number two in five seats, so I'm quite confident that it will be a Labor victory and that miracles won't happen twice. Whether Labor gets a majority with Albanese's somewhat middling popularity remains to be seen, but I think they'll get 74-77 seats with LNP going down to 70-72.

Honestly uh.... Whilst it does look like a Labor victory there's a week for something to blow up in Albo's face, not to mention that the last time we thought it was a Labor victory ScoMo somehow won so I'm not gonna hold my breath

Albanese hasn't made the same mistakes and flip-flops that Shorten made last time around. On top of that, the economy's a much bigger factor than it was in '19 as well, so I think the swing voters in Queensland will swing red this time.

[Perikuresu]

Either, if ALP win now, I doubt they'll get a second term

With how the media's stacked against Labor, yeah me too

[Australian rePublic]

Either, if ALP win now, I doubt they'll get a second term

With how the media's stacked against Labor, yeah me too

I don't buy that media stacked against Labor shpin

[Australian rePublic]

With regards to Clive Palmer there's one question pressing me. Why does he want to become Prime Minister anyway? I mean, as far as Scomo and Albo are concerned, irrespective of how incompetent I think they are, I genuinely think they're both doing it for the right reasons, and for their interpretation of the betterment of Australia. I also think that all the premiers are sincere in their position. But Clive Palmer? Why, just why? I mean it is possible that he is genuinely interested in legitimately running because he legitimately wants to fix the country (however bat insane his interpretation of "fixing" Australia is), but it doesn't seem like it. I mean it could be true, I can't climb into his brain and see what his intentions are, but... I have a friend who seems to think that he's running for PM because he has nothing better to do. I have no idea if that's true or not, again, can't climb into his brain, but that seems to make sense, I guess. And if it is true, God help us all if we elect someone who only become PM because of boredom. A more cynical version of myself would say maybe he doesn't intend to get elected, maybe he's just saying all this stupid shit hoping that nobody would vote for him and he's only running to get some stupid point across, but this is Clive Palmer we're talking about, and I doubt he, of all people, would be able to pull it off. Besides, I don't Craig Kelly would be too happy with him if he did that

[Perikuresu]

With regards to Clive Palmer there's one question pressing me. Why does he want to become Prime Minister anyway? I mean, as far as Scomo and Albo are concerned, irrespective of how incompetent I think they are, I genuinely think they're both doing it for the right reasons, and for their interpretation of the betterment of Australia. I also think that all the premiers are sincere in their position. But Clive Palmer? Why, just why? I mean it is possible that he is genuinely interested in legitimately running because he legitimately wants to fix the country (however bat insane his interpretation of "fixing" Australia is), but it doesn't seem like it. I mean it could be true, I can't climb into his brain and see what his intentions are, but... I have a friend who seems to think that he's running for PM because he has nothing better to do. I have no idea if that's true or not, again, can't climb into his brain, but that seems to make sense, I guess. And if it is true, God help us all if we elect someone who only become PM because of boredom. A more cynical version of myself would say maybe he doesn't intend to get elected, maybe he's just saying all this stupid shit hoping that nobody would vote for him, but this is Clive Palmer we're talking about, I doubt he, of all people, would be able to pull it off. Besides, I don't Craig Kelly would be too happy with him if he did that

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allegedly and I retract my statement

Also what kind of fucking world do we live in where the United Australia Party is campaigning for free tertiary education and One Nation putting Labor as 2nd preference?

[Australian rePublic]

With regards to Clive Palmer there's one question pressing me. Why does he want to become Prime Minister anyway? I mean, as far as Scomo and Albo are concerned, irrespective of how incompetent I think they are, I genuinely think they're both doing it for the right reasons, and for their interpretation of the betterment of Australia. I also think that all the premiers are sincere in their position. But Clive Palmer? Why, just why? I mean it is possible that he is genuinely interested in legitimately running because he legitimately wants to fix the country (however bat insane his interpretation of "fixing" Australia is), but it doesn't seem like it. I mean it could be true, I can't climb into his brain and see what his intentions are, but... I have a friend who seems to think that he's running for PM because he has nothing better to do. I have no idea if that's true or not, again, can't climb into his brain, but that seems to make sense, I guess. And if it is true, God help us all if we elect someone who only become PM because of boredom. A more cynical version of myself would say maybe he doesn't intend to get elected, maybe he's just saying all this stupid shit hoping that nobody would vote for him, but this is Clive Palmer we're talking about, I doubt he, of all people, would be able to pull it off. Besides, I don't Craig Kelly would be too happy with him if he did that

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allegedly and I retract my statement

Also what kind of fucking world do we live in where the United Australia Party is campaigning for free tertiary education and One r Nation putting Labor as 2nd preference?

What? Motivated by money? As Prime Minister? Sure, PMs might not be living on the streets, but it's not like they're eating cavier daily either. Even if he did get elected, even if he won every election for the rest of his life, he's still spent millions upon millions more on advertising than he'll ever earn. And he's now a well know billionaire, so any publicity or prestige he was hoping to gain by becoming PM would surely be achieved by now. And he's billionaire, if he really wanted more money, there would be easier for him to acquire it that wouldn't be anywhere near as harmful to his reputation. As for you're second point, UAP appears to just cling onto whatever the flavour of the month is. As far as One Nation is concerned, that is interesting that they're putting Labor second. Are you sure that's everywhere and not just your seat? If it is everywhere, then it raises some interesting questions

[Perikuresu]

What? Motivated by money? As Prime Minister? Sure, PMs might not be living on the streets, but it's not like they're eating cavier daily either. Even if he did get elected, even if he won every election for the rest of his life, he's still spent millions upon millions more on advertising than he'll ever earn. And he's now a well know billionaire, so any publicity or prestige he was hoping to gain by becoming PM would surely be achieved by now. And he's billionaire, if he really wanted more money, there would be easier for him to acquire it that wouldn't be anywhere near as harmful to his reputation.

Nah was just making fun about the belief that every billionaire only thinks about money, (which well sorta true ngl) but he does seem to be running to get elected, as evident by how he paid his unpaid workers so they can shut up about overdue wages during the 2019 election (allegedly, and I retract my statement)

Seriously though, probably some semblance of political influence or maybe he wants to be remembered for something ig????

As for you're second point, UAP appears to just cling onto whatever the flavour of the month is. As far as One Nation is concerned, that is interesting that they're putting Labor second. Are you sure that's everywhere and not just your seat? If it is everywhere, then it raises some interesting questions

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n ... g-liberals
Apparently Pauline here just got pissed off

[Arisyan]

Time for a foreigner to give their completely baseless take on another countries' political system because I have nothing better to do!

It appears that Labor is going to win the election, though the Parliament could very well end up in a hung state like 2010, in which case the Greens (or Green, I should say) and a few independents will push Labor over the edge. I'm very optimistic that Labor will finally get Australia on track to an actually tangible climate plan, and I also hope that ScoMo steps down as leader of the Libs if they do end up losing.

Now, personally if I were Australian I would probably vote Green, though a lot of people in this thread have expressed intense dislike of them for some reason. I also hope that Labor doesn't turn to rampant neoliberalism and austerity politics like last time they were in power.

[Perikuresu]

Now, personally if I were Australian I would probably vote Green, though a lot of people in this thread have expressed intense dislike of them for some reason. I also hope that Labor doesn't turn to rampant neoliberalism and austerity politics like last time they were in power.

Greens appeals to a lot of the political issues that your average young person (zoomers, millennials, whatever they call them these days) would strongly feel for (e.g., a radical stance on Climate Change such as stopping all fossil fuel and gas projects, allowing refugees in Australia rather than dumping them on Christmas Island where children will eventually die of simple infections) however they take things maybe a tad too extreme and they don't really compromise. Apparently they don't do much research (which isn't helped by Adam Bandt just saying "JUST GOOGLE IT" as a response to a journo)

Also the fact that on a political scale, they're considered far left and a lot of their image is well, your average SJW online during 2016, also something about them being morphed into a mouthpiece for socialism?

Also might just be Aussie tradition just to shit on them for no reason ig?

[Arisyan]

Now, personally if I were Australian I would probably vote Green, though a lot of people in this thread have expressed intense dislike of them for some reason. I also hope that Labor doesn't turn to rampant neoliberalism and austerity politics like last time they were in power.

Also the fact that on a political scale, they're considered far left and a lot of their image is well, your average SJW online during 2016, also something about them being morphed into a mouthpiece for socialism?

I mean, them having socialist elements is actually a reason why I would hypothetically support them in this alternate-reality where I live in Australia, but I can see that maybe it's still not very mainstream in Aussie politics.

[Shrillland]

Also the fact that on a political scale, they're considered far left and a lot of their image is well, your average SJW online during 2016, also something about them being morphed into a mouthpiece for socialism?

I mean, them having socialist elements is actually a reason why I would hypothetically support them in this alternate-reality where I live in Australia, but I can see that maybe it's still not very mainstream in Aussie politics.

Well, they usually keep a steady 10% support, but it never goes higher than that.

[Australian rePublic]

Also the fact that on a political scale, they're considered far left and a lot of their image is well, your average SJW online during 2016, also something about them being morphed into a mouthpiece for socialism?

I mean, them having socialist elements is actually a reason why I would hypothetically support them in this alternate-reality where I live in Australia, but I can see that maybe it's still not very mainstream in Aussie politics.

Fuck socialism

[Arisyan]

I mean, them having socialist elements is actually a reason why I would hypothetically support them in this alternate-reality where I live in Australia, but I can see that maybe it's still not very mainstream in Aussie politics.

Fuck socialism

You have proved my point very nicely.

[Australian rePublic]

Sorry, I couldn't find one that wasn't behind a pay wall, but fuck me dead,

Lismore flood victims fined by mobile speed cameras when trying to evacuate from the recent floods What the fuck is wrong with the NSW branch of the LNP to allow something like this to happen. That, or the private companies who run these speed cameras were running rogue. Either way, what the fuck?

[Perikuresu]

Sorry, I couldn't find one that wasn't behind a pay wall, but fuck me dead,

Lismore flood victims fined by mobile speed cameras when trying to evacuate from the recent floods What the fuck is wrong with the NSW branch of the LNP to allow something like this to happen. That, or the private companies who run these speed cameras were running rogue. Either way, what the fuck?

*ahem
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allegedly and I retract my statement

[Australian rePublic]

Sorry, I couldn't find one that wasn't behind a pay wall, but fuck me dead,

Lismore flood victims fined by mobile speed cameras when trying to evacuate from the recent floods What the fuck is wrong with the NSW branch of the LNP to allow something like this to happen. That, or the private companies who run these speed cameras were running rogue. Either way, what the fuck?

*ahem
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allegedly and I retract my statement


Very true tho, can also be applied to LNP cutting $3,3bn in public funding for election pledges

Of coarse it's for money. That or extreme incompetence. Either way, there needs to be a serious investigation into this. But now, the mobile speed cameras in NSW are mostly privately owned, so we need to determined who sent them there, the government or private companies independent of the government. And if the later, was it because they need to meet quotas? Either way, heads need to (metaphorically) role...

[Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts]

I don't buy that media stacked against Labor shpin

It is. "Teal Conceal".
The News Corp outlets are, as we know, absolutely not scathing
of the Labor Party at all times. Many Sky personalities come from the Liberal Party
or are connected to it. See Kenny and Credlin.
Bolt only got on Network 10 because of Gina Rinehart, before he floated over to Sky News.
Murray is an out-and-out cheerleader for the LNP.

Nine-Fairfax is owned by Peter Costello.
Seven is owned by Kerry Stokes, an oil and gas tycoon.
The ABC is headed by Liberal fundraiser Ita Buttrose, and is stacked with many yes-men. See how
Q&A, The Drum, and especially Insiders and 7.30. David Speers came from Sky News, Leigh Sales constantly tries to gotcha Labor whenever she can, and the ABC frequently runs with News Corp narratives.

If you "don't buy that the media is invariably stacked against Labor",
you haven't been paying attention.

[Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts]

With regards to Clive Palmer there's one question pressing me. Why does he want to become Prime Minister anyway? I mean, as far as Scomo and Albo are concerned, irrespective of how incompetent I think they are, I genuinely think they're both doing it for the right reasons, and for their interpretation of the betterment of Australia. I also think that all the premiers are sincere in their position. But Clive Palmer? Why, just why? I mean it is possible that he is genuinely interested in legitimately running because he legitimately wants to fix the country (however bat insane his interpretation of "fixing" Australia is), but it doesn't seem like it. I mean it could be true, I can't climb into his brain and see what his intentions are, but... I have a friend who seems to think that he's running for PM because he has nothing better to do. I have no idea if that's true or not, again, can't climb into his brain, but that seems to make sense, I guess. And if it is true, God help us all if we elect someone who only become PM because of boredom. A more cynical version of myself would say maybe he doesn't intend to get elected, maybe he's just saying all this stupid shit hoping that nobody would vote for him and he's only running to get some stupid point across, but this is Clive Palmer we're talking about, and I doubt he, of all people, would be able to pull it off. Besides, I don't Craig Kelly would be too happy with him if he did that

He's Clive Frederick Palmer. He looks out for only Clive Frederick Palmer, he cares only about Clive Frederick Palmer,
he thinks Australia revolves around Clive Frederick Palmer. But he's not a complete and utter fool.
He knows he'll never be PM. He invariably favours the LNP over Labor. He's an old mate of
Bjelke-Petersen's, ffs.

[Australian rePublic]

I don't buy that media stacked against Labor shpin

It is. "Teal Conceal".
The News Corp outlets are, as we know, absolutely not scathing
of the Labor Party at all times. Many Sky personalities come from the Liberal Party
or are connected to it. See Kenny and Credlin.
Bolt only got on Network 10 because of Gina Rinehart, before he floated over to Sky News.
Murray is an out-and-out cheerleader for the LNP.

Nine-Fairfax is owned by Peter Costello.
Seven is owned by Kerry Stokes, an oil and gas tycoon.
The ABC is headed by Liberal fundraiser Ita Buttrose, and is stacked with many yes-men. See how
Q&A, The Drum, and especially Insiders and 7.30. David Speers came from Sky News, Leigh Sales constantly tries to gotcha Labor whenever she can, and the ABC frequently runs with News Corp narratives.

If you "don't buy that the media is invariably stacked against Labor",
you haven't been paying attention.

I don't really watch much of the ABC, but the rest, it's really more about right-winged bias, rather than bias to any specific party. And even then, there are some left-winged or at least centrist commentators. I mean, many of channel 9's assets had commentators long before they were purchased by Channel 9, and they still have the same commentators. Those commentators won't generally change their views because of new owners, and it's nothing like FriendlyJordies bias (can you believe the gall to run a poll assuming that we put the LNP last?) And remember, I'm not a cheerleader for either party. I actively dislike the LNP in NSW and want them all gone. Except a few individuals who are quite good

[Australian rePublic]

With regards to Clive Palmer there's one question pressing me. Why does he want to become Prime Minister anyway? I mean, as far as Scomo and Albo are concerned, irrespective of how incompetent I think they are, I genuinely think they're both doing it for the right reasons, and for their interpretation of the betterment of Australia. I also think that all the premiers are sincere in their position. But Clive Palmer? Why, just why? I mean it is possible that he is genuinely interested in legitimately running because he legitimately wants to fix the country (however bat insane his interpretation of "fixing" Australia is), but it doesn't seem like it. I mean it could be true, I can't climb into his brain and see what his intentions are, but... I have a friend who seems to think that he's running for PM because he has nothing better to do. I have no idea if that's true or not, again, can't climb into his brain, but that seems to make sense, I guess. And if it is true, God help us all if we elect someone who only become PM because of boredom. A more cynical version of myself would say maybe he doesn't intend to get elected, maybe he's just saying all this stupid shit hoping that nobody would vote for him and he's only running to get some stupid point across, but this is Clive Palmer we're talking about, and I doubt he, of all people, would be able to pull it off. Besides, I don't Craig Kelly would be too happy with him if he did that

He's Clive Frederick Palmer. He looks out for only Clive Frederick Palmer, he cares only about Clive Frederick Palmer,
he thinks Australia revolves around Clive Frederick Palmer. But he's not a complete and utter fool.
He knows he'll never be PM. He invariably favours the LNP over Labor. He's an old mate of
Bjelke-Petersen's, ffs.

Ok, so why is he running?

[Perikuresu]

Ok, so why is he running?

For his own unknown interests

[Imperial isa]

So what ever happen to Clive Palmer lawsuit?

[The Orwell Society]

So what ever happen to Clive Palmer lawsuit?

I think it just died out. I haven't heard from it in a while

[Bursken]

With regards to Clive Palmer there's one question pressing me. Why does he want to become Prime Minister anyway? I mean, as far as Scomo and Albo are concerned, irrespective of how incompetent I think they are, I genuinely think they're both doing it for the right reasons, and for their interpretation of the betterment of Australia. I also think that all the premiers are sincere in their position. But Clive Palmer? Why, just why? I mean it is possible that he is genuinely interested in legitimately running because he legitimately wants to fix the country (however bat insane his interpretation of "fixing" Australia is), but it doesn't seem like it. I mean it could be true, I can't climb into his brain and see what his intentions are, but... I have a friend who seems to think that he's running for PM because he has nothing better to do. I have no idea if that's true or not, again, can't climb into his brain, but that seems to make sense, I guess. And if it is true, God help us all if we elect someone who only become PM because of boredom. A more cynical version of myself would say maybe he doesn't intend to get elected, maybe he's just saying all this stupid shit hoping that nobody would vote for him and he's only running to get some stupid point across, but this is Clive Palmer we're talking about, and I doubt he, of all people, would be able to pull it off. Besides, I don't Craig Kelly would be too happy with him if he did that

I know, I always thought that Clive Palmer was smart, at least in the sense that he made a bunch of money (but not nearly as much as he says) but I mean, man this guy is such a moron. The only policy I like of his is abolishing student debt and making uni and TAFE free, but the rest of his party's ideas are, as stated, moronic. I agree, I wish I knew WHY he went into politics. Though, it is a laugh seeing all his posters getting crossed out with "FUCK OFF CLIVE". Eh, we'll see whether we Aussies can agree that this dinosaur (remember Palmersaurus?) and his party shouldn't be elected.