Australian Political & Infrastructure Discussion Thread

[Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts]

Craig Kelly is now leader of the United Australia Party.

I could possibly see them getting a larger vote count, given that Kelly has quite some appeal among certain communities.

[Australian rePublic]

FriendlyJprdies is getting ridiculous now. Suggesting that Berejiklian is deliberately keeping Sydney from containing the Covid outbreak so that we can stay in lockdown for as long as posdible, and stating that Australia is now a full blown police state. Meanwhile, he continues to either praise or stay silent for Dan Andrews who stuffed up just as badly and has had more lockdowns that all of NSW. If he really wants to talk about who really wants lockdowns to continue to happen, how anout criticising Palaszczuk and McGowan, both of who said that they refuse to end lockdowns once we reach 80% vaccine rates? I can't believe that most of his viewers still take him seriously

https://reneweconomy.com.au/guess-who-joined-angus-taylor-on-empire-funded-fracking-gas-trip-to-beetaloo-basin/
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/20/energy-company-that-won-21m-in-grants-paid-for-liberal-party-fundraisers-trip-to-beetaloo-fracking-site

Even if I assumed Labor was connected to the CCP, or that FriendlyJordies is on the ALP's payroll,
I could still safely say the Coalition is deep within the pockets of their donors.

I have a strong feeling that Angus Taylor is going to earn himself a very cushy position somewhere in the fossil fuel industry
when he leaves politics. Angus actually came from a consulting job in the Minerals Council, if i'm not mistaken.

Probably the same with Liberals who might lose their seats, like Bridget Archer or Lucy Wicks.
It happened with MacFarlane, it happened with Pyne (went to EY), and it happened with Abbott,
who now works with the IPA. Mathias is also Secretary General of the OECD now, so....

Oh, and Tim Wilson's marginal was, by complete coincidence, no rorts to see here,
granted an extra few million for carparks at Bentleigh station or some sh*t.
Peter Dutton, Lucy Wicks, got similar grants for carparks as part of the Urban Congestion Fund.
Read to find out more
https://www.michaelwest.com.au/pork-n-ride-another-dodgy-election-winning-rort-for-the-coalition/

Just because ALP aren't corrupt doesn't mean that the LNP aren't corrupt. They're both corrupt. The ALP criticising the LNP for giving goodies to marginal seats is a case of the pot calling the other pot black. Both parties have been doing it since forever. Seriously, why is this even in the ness? Giving goodies to margibal seats is so normal amogst both parties that it would be newsworthy if a safe seat got goodies

[Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts]

Just because ALP aren't corrupt doesn't mean that the LNP aren't corrupt. They're both corrupt. The ALP criticising the LNP for giving goodies to marginal seats is a case of the pot calling the other pot black. Both parties have been doing it since forever. Seriously, why is this even in the ness? Giving goodies to margibal seats is so normal amogst both parties that it would be newsworthy if a safe seat got goodies

It's certainly not ethical in any way, shape or form.
Sure, both parties have been doing it since forever, fine.
But is that supposed to fix anything?
It's not like any other party's getting in.

Palaszczuk, Marshall, Andrews and McGowan listened to experts, implemented short, hard lockdowns,
extended them if necessary, and they've got a significantly lower amount of cases than NSW. And yet they're
the ones that get the hate from Sky News. Tbf, Gladys and Morrison get an occasional case of hate, but not as badly
Compare stories of ppl living through lockdown in Sydney featured in the Telegraph
to headlines screaming "DICTATOR DAN" in the Herald Sun.

Also, regarding Jordan's "Australia is Becoming a Police State" video, well, as he said, it might not look like it, since the illusion exists that you have freedom of speech, but really, you only have an implied freedom of political communication.

People suing people for pointing out their corruption - that's one thing.
Arresting their producers for approaching them twice in 2 months by way of a counterterrorism unit - that's a police state.
People being prosecuted in secret courts for exposing Australia scamming Timor out of its resources? Police state.
Raids on journalists for leaking stuff? Police state.
Constant monitoring of citizens with a tired excuse? "Identify and Disrupt Bill"? Police state.

It's just not as noticeable, because it's not China or North Korea's level of "in your face"-ness. It's a lot more effective than that.

Update: The Identify and Disrupt Bill has passed.
https://minister.homeaffairs.gov.au/KarenAndrews/Pages/new-powers-to-combat-crime-on-the-dark-web.aspx

[Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts]

The regional QLD quarantine facility has begun construction to supplement the one near Pinkenba in Brisbane.

It's non-metro, at an airport, what more could you want?

I understand it is closer to the bush, and if it breaks out,
it depends on how Palaszczuk and Miles handle it - if one occurs -
compared to Berejiklian and Hazzard

[Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts]

Another day of 1000+ new cases in NSW?
You must be joking.
https://imgur.com/a/FF2ExCK

But seriously, aus rePublic, I can't do anything else other than show sympathy
or feel sorry. I really wish you didn't have to be in lockdown.

Also, this sounds fun.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/31/coalition-mps-want-more-school-chaplains-to-help-children-suffering-mentally-due-to-climate-activism

"More learning and less activism" indeed.
I'm a climate activist, I've already considered keeping my money out of fossil fuels.
Sure, it's depressing, but it's the real world.
But really, what do you expect?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LonwBaNAA5g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ea5bOaPkZpc

[Australian rePublic]

We can't be in lockdowns forever. As soon as we reach our vaccine targets, we need to start opening up. Sooner or later, we need to learn to live with the virus. Palaszczuk and McGowan will learn that the hard way sooner or later. As far as mental health is concerned, I agree, we need to fund mental health

[Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts]

We can't be in lockdowns forever. As soon as we reach our vaccine targets, we need to start opening up. Sooner or later, we need to learn to live with the virus. Palaszczuk and McGowan will learn that the hard way sooner or later. As far as mental health is concerned, I agree, we need to fund mental health

https://theconversation.com/covid-cases-are-rising-in-highly-vaccinated-israel-but-it-doesnt-mean-australia-should-give-up-and-live-with-the-virus-166404
Yeah, we can't be in lockdowns forever. But opening up like that and learning to live with it?
Well, herd immunity works in theory, but it doesn't really work straightaway. Short, hard lockdowns; it stopped an outbreak in Greater Brisbane in March, and one a little longer in QLD just recently worked.

I'm just watching on from up north and wondering, 'What the hell happened?'

I live in an area that hasn't had any cases, so I can't speak for ppl who've been in lockdown this year, but I really
feel sorry for you.

[Perikuresu]

What do y'all think about WA's border closures, and the attempts to try and force it back open? (from what I've heard)

[Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts]

What do y'all think about WA's border closures, and the attempts to try and force it back open? (from what I've heard)

Clive Palmer? Craig?

[Mathuvan Union]

What do y'all think about WA's border closures, and the attempts to try and force it back open? (from what I've heard)

I didn’t think I would be able to, but it’s sad that I can’t go to the granny.
Dogs might make it this year.


Also, gotta love how Scomo will dish out vaccines like they’re Willy-Nilly because they’re AZ and everyone who’s still got a life to live hates them.
Seriously; why didn’t we go all out on Pfizer in the first place?

[Imperial isa]

What do y'all think about WA's border closures, and the attempts to try and force it back open? (from what I've heard)

Just watch how they change their tune if WA gets it.

[Australian rePublic]

What do y'all think about WA's border closures, and the attempts to try and force it back open? (from what I've heard)

Delusional. Both McGowan, and those who are trying to force it open. McGowan is delusional for thinking that WA can remain Covid free forever, and those who want borders to open are delusional for thinking that McGowan will open borders

What do y'all think about WA's border closures, and the attempts to try and force it back open? (from what I've heard)

I didn’t think I would be able to, but it’s sad that I can’t go to the granny.
Dogs might make it this year.


Also, gotta love how Scomo will dish out vaccines like they’re Willy-Nilly because they’re AZ and everyone who’s still got a life to live hates them.
Seriously; why didn’t we go all out on Pfizer in the first place?

It's easier to manufacture AZ in Australia than it is to manufacture Pfizer. But Scomo is trying to achieve the later. Also, nobody knew that AZ caused blood clots at the time. AZ is extremely safe either way

What do y'all think about WA's border closures, and the attempts to try and force it back open? (from what I've heard)

Just watch how they change their tune if WA gets it.

When. Not if. When

[Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts]

Being able to open up now would be great. But learning to "live with COVID" leads to things like the outbreak
in regional NSW - in some places health systems rival the 2nd or 3rd world, as far as I know.

Now listen.
I don't have a high opinion of people who were protesting against lockdowns in Sydney or high-COVID areas - I think it's just selfish, as with any other thing, but I don't blame them for feeling this way - I blame the mixed messaging from Gladys, Greg Hunt and Scott.

Plus, Greg, Peter Dutton, and the Treasurer are all in pretty tentative seats at the moment,
so if Josh keeps dumping on Victoria, given his seat is in Melbourne, he could be up for losing it to the Greens
or Labor.

But no,
what's much more important to the media is, 'the Federal Labor party has distanced themselves from the QLD Premier'.
It seems almost every time, it's "LABOR'S FAILURES" while glossing over how much the libs/nats have f*cked up

[Dazchan]

Being able to open up now would be great. But learning to "live with COVID" leads to things like the outbreak
in regional NSW - in some places health systems rival the 2nd or 3rd world, as far as I know.

Now listen.
I don't have a high opinion of people who were protesting against lockdowns in Sydney or high-COVID areas - I think it's just selfish, as with any other thing, but I don't blame them for feeling this way - I blame the mixed messaging from Gladys, Greg Hunt and Scott.

Plus, Greg, Peter Dutton, and the Treasurer are all in pretty tentative seats at the moment,
so if Josh keeps dumping on Victoria, given his seat is in Melbourne, he could be up for losing it to the Greens
or Labor.

But no,
what's much more important to the media is, 'the Federal Labor party has distanced themselves from the QLD Premier'.
It seems almost every time, it's "LABOR'S FAILURES" while glossing over how much the libs/nats have f*cked up

Welcome to Murdoch's media empire.

[Forsher]

This is the Fourth Reich

Watch it, it's hilarious.

Of course, if she actually was like that, NSW might not be in the problem it is.

[Perikuresu]

Apparently police can now hack our devices, collect and delete our data and some other sh*t

Such is life

[Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts]

The Murdoch media's job is to attack your Dans, your Annas, your McGowans, etc.
Nine-Fairfax's job is to suck up to Gladys - except when it suits it.

[Australian rePublic]

Which minor party do you think would be most likely to reply to me if I contacted them?

[Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts]

Which minor party do you think would be most likely to reply to me if I contacted them?

I don't know. I've tried contacting many politicians
and got SFA response.

Even, so, about what?

Also, did you read Perikerusu's comment? I'm sure stuff like that will capture the bad stuff,
but its powers, just like the Online Safety Bill, are too broad.

[Perikuresu]

Also, did you read Perikerusu's comment? I'm sure stuff like that will capture the bad stuff,
but its powers, just like the Online Safety Bill, are too broad.

Yes, while I do agree that this law can assist police in capturing criminals and terrorists, what is to stop them from targeting dissenters as well? Given our track record of persecuting Witness K in a secret trial and raiding the homes of several ABC journalists, I'd say that it wouldn't be farfetched if the Government's secretly using this law to spy on them.

Which minor party do you think would be most likely to reply to me if I contacted them?

I'm not sure if this counts, but maybe parties focussed around a specific thing? Like the daylights saving party in WA

[Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts]

Yes, while I do agree that this law can assist police in capturing criminals and terrorists, what is to stop them from targeting dissenters as well? Given our track record of persecuting Witness K in a secret trial and raiding the homes of several ABC journalists, I'd say that it wouldn't be farfetched if the Government's secretly using this law to spy on them.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/unintended-consequences-banks-warn-of-rising-costs-if-forced-to-fund-coal-20210903-p58ok5.html
George Christensen and Matt Canavan really don't like the idea
of banks not investing in their favourite black rock.

Why are they so afraid of banks and superfunds not absolutely adoring
and investing in coal to climate catastrophe and back?

Well, insurance too. Wonder why insurance companies underestimate natural disaster payments
year after year due to the escalating climate crisis?

[Austra-lia]

Victoria to ban swastikas as anti-vilification laws strengthened

Also: Michael O’Brien’s leadership under threat as Liberal MPs push to overthrow leader and beat Dan Andrews.

Apparently, there has been a leadership spill in the Liberal Party [of Victoria].

[Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts]

Apparently police can now hack our devices, collect and delete our data and some other sh*t

Such is life

Well there goes any semblance of democracy bar our right to vote, and "limited implied freedom of political communication".

Plus, it's really "rich" that Barilaro is mass-blocking people on Twitter (including The Chaser, Lewis Spears, Indp MP Justin Field, Helen Dalton MP, just to name a few) and suing comedians while regional NSW is being turned inside out by the Delta variant right now.
Isn't he the Minister for Regional NSW?

[Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts]

*sigh*
Yesterday was 20 years since 9/11.

I can't imagine what it must have been like.

But to me, it serves as a reminder to how it was used to justify another war
and take some of our civil liberties.

[Perikuresu]

*sigh*
Yesterday was 20 years since 9/11.

I can't imagine what it must have been like.

But to me, it serves as a reminder to how it was used to justify another war
and take some of our civil liberties.

and needlessly throwing our men in Afghanistan just so the Taliban can overrun their sacrifices in a matter of weeks