Australian Political & Infrastructure Discussion Thread

[The Socialist Republic of Astrakhan]

The CPA or the Communist Party of Australia still exists.

[Gim]

The CPA or the Communist Party of Australia still exists.

That would be heretical in my country. I like Australia's openness.

[Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts]

The CPA or the Communist Party of Australia still exists.

Doesnt have much influence though

[Gim]

The CPA or the Communist Party of Australia still exists.

Doesnt have much influence though

For sure, since Australia is democratic.

[Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts]

Also, I'm not surprised even some Liberals are against this passing.
https://counteract.org.au/stop-the-attack-on-peaceful-protest/
But seriously,
why de-register charities for minor offences? This isn't fearmongering,
this could happen if the law ends up passing.
This isn't only undemocratic, unconstitutional, and completely bizarre,
just like our outdated classification laws, but it's completely unjustified - even
one of the key architects says there's no evidence to support something this brazen.

[Gim]

Also, I'm not surprised even some Liberals are against this passing.
https://counteract.org.au/stop-the-attack-on-peaceful-protest/
But seriously,
why de-register charities for minor offences? This isn't fearmongering,
this could happen if the law ends up passing.
This isn't only undemocratic, unconstitutional, and completely bizarre,
just like our outdated classification laws, but it's completely unjustified - even
one of the key architects says there's no evidence to support something this brazen.

Hey, there's only one answer, when it comes to unfair policies: Lack of finance.

[Australian rePublic]

The best system of government is social democracy- the system which operates some of the greatest countries in the world- Australia, New Zealand, most of Western European, Canada... the countries which rank highest for education, health care, quality of life, wealth, etc. Are all social democracies. Therefore, logic would dictate that that is the best system of government

[The Socialist Republic of Astrakhan]

Communism is not suitable for First World Countries. Soviet Union , was a First World country in terms of economic development; but ideologically and structurally , it was a Second World country.

[Australian rePublic]

Communism is not suitable for First World Countries. Soviet Union , was a First World country in terms of economic development; but ideologically and structurally , it was a Second World country.

Communism isn't suitable for anyone. Wherever a country was split into a communist and capitalist part, the communist part was always worse than the capitalist part. This transends cultures. Communist Korea is worse than capitalist Korea (i.e. North and South Korea). Communist China is worse tjan capitalist (i.e. PR china anf Taiwan), communist Germany (east Germany) was worse than capitalist Germany (west Germany). This applied universally across all cultures. Likewise, when countries started loosening their grips on communism, countries began improving. Deng Xiaoping's China was far superior to Mao's China after Xiaoping started allowing capitalism. I could go on and on and on. You can make as many excuses as you want, but in the end, you'll have to eventually concede that communism is the problem in and of itself

[The Socialist Republic of Astrakhan]

Communism is not suitable for First World Countries. Soviet Union , was a First World country in terms of economic development; but ideologically and structurally , it was a Second World country.

Communism isn't suitable for anyone. Wherever a country was split into a communist and capitalist part, the communist part was always worse than the capitalist part. This transends cultures. Communist Korea is worse than capitalist Korea (i.e. North and South Korea). Communist China is worse tjan capitalist (i.e. PR china anf Taiwan), communist Germany (east Germany) was worse than capitalist Germany (west Germany). This applied universally across all cultures. Likewise, when countries started loosening their grips on communism, countries began improving. Deng Xiaoping's China was far superior to Mao's China after Xiaoping started allowing capitalism. I could go on and on and on. You can make as many excuses as you want, but in the end, you'll have to eventually concede that communism is the problem in and of itself

Remember friend , Iam not a supporter of Communism either. I support moderate right wing ideologies and I think Capitalism is better. Capitalist China , is better than the Communist one; but this comparison is not right. Let's compare N.Korea and S.Korea , North Korea is in a fool's paradise of it's own.

[Arisyan]

The CPA or the Communist Party of Australia still exists.

technically yes but they have less than 500 members and I don't believe they are registered. There are a handful of communist parties in Australia but when they do run they do very poorly, often times winning less than 1,000 votes.

[Australian rePublic]

The opposite of the rest of the world- in Sydney, the rich live in the east and the poor live in the west.

Now the New South Wales government is diverting Pfizer vaccines from regional NSW to school children in the worst hits parts of Sydney out a west. Pfizer vaccines that the people of regional NSW need, but not as desperately as Sydney. First, the Easter Suburbs people were saying that they should be excluded from the lockdown because they no longer have any cases (even though that's where the outbreak began) and no they're saying that they should also be given the excessive pfizer doses that were taken away from regional New South Wales. Are the Eastern Suburbs are all fine and dandy that they can be excluded from lockdown, or are they in such dire straights that they need the vaccines more than that of us out west? You can't have it both ways! Fucking eastern suburbs snobs who think they're more entitled to more than us

[Gim]

Communism is not suitable for First World Countries. Soviet Union , was a First World country in terms of economic development; but ideologically and structurally , it was a Second World country.

Economically, it's suitable, and politically, in case of PRC.

[Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts]

The opposite of the rest of the world- in Sydney, the rich live in the east and the poor live in the west.

Now the New South Wales government is diverting Pfizer vaccines from regional NSW to school children in the worst hits parts of Sydney out a west. Pfizer vaccines that the people of regional NSW need, but not as desperately as Sydney. First, the Easter Suburbs people were saying that they should be excluded from the lockdown because they no longer have any cases (even though that's where the outbreak began) and no they're saying that they should also be given the excessive pfizer doses that were taken away from regional New South Wales. Are the Eastern Suburbs are all fine and dandy that they can be excluded from lockdown, or are they in such dire straights that they need the vaccines more than that of us out west? You can't have it both ways! Fucking eastern suburbs snobs who think they're more entitled to more than us

Easy. Fair go for the rich,
army deployed for the poor.

Wait,
does the east include poor bogans in Blacktown-oh wait.
Sorry, didn't think so.

Now I feel really bad for those who just suffered a mouse plague in places like Narrabri
(who are also getting screwed over by Santos' nearby Pilliga Gas Project) and those who just had a major flood event five months ago
in places like Taree, Wauchope and Macksville.

[Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts]

https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1EdFpOXdl1l971g7O209iW5TkK5UZwqda&ll=-33.45338171654163%2C151.33479867704287&z=11
I mapped some potential rail projects I thought of for the Sydney and Central coast regions.
- Northern Beaches Line (T10) -
Double track from Milsons Point to Narrabeen via
Mosman and Brookvale.
Double-track tunnel crossing the Narrabeen Lagoon, then single track beyond Warriewood, and
tunnel into Mona Vale station, which is underground,
connects to bus services to Ku-ring-gai area and Pittwater Peninsula (Newport and Avalon Beach)
- I originally had plans to make it go from Chatswood to Warriewood by going through Roseville Chase,
but it'd cut through too much national park.

Erina Line (G1)
Loop line from Gosford to The Entrance and Wyong
(via Erina and Bateau Bay)
Double-track from Gosford to Bateau Bay, single track
with passing loops to The Entrance.
Single-track with passing loops from Bateau Bay to Tuggerah,
then rejoins the Sydney-Brisbane Line at Tuggerah.
Line ends at Wyong
Southeast Metro
- Bondi Junction (where it could connect to the T4 Line)
to Matraville via UNSW and Maroubra.
- Double track for the entire length
- Connections to L2 and L3 light rail (Randwick, Kingston lines)
- Tunnel from Kingston to Maroubra

(I also added part of the Parramatta light rail proposal in,
with an extension to Epping, which would tie in perfectly with the Epping
to Chatswood Metro)

Any thoughts, anyone?
I did this because I could do this for Brisbane, and
I probably will, but it's easier for Sydney because I have an idea in my head already)

[Australian rePublic]

The opposite of the rest of the world- in Sydney, the rich live in the east and the poor live in the west.

Now the New South Wales government is diverting Pfizer vaccines from regional NSW to school children in the worst hits parts of Sydney out a west. Pfizer vaccines that the people of regional NSW need, but not as desperately as Sydney. First, the Easter Suburbs people were saying that they should be excluded from the lockdown because they no longer have any cases (even though that's where the outbreak began) and no they're saying that they should also be given the excessive pfizer doses that were taken away from regional New South Wales. Are the Eastern Suburbs are all fine and dandy that they can be excluded from lockdown, or are they in such dire straights that they need the vaccines more than that of us out west? You can't have it both ways! Fucking eastern suburbs snobs who think they're more entitled to more than us

Easy. Fair go for the rich,
army deployed for the poor.

Wait,
does the east include poor bogans in Blacktown-oh wait.
Sorry, didn't think so.

Now I feel really bad for those who just suffered a mouse plague in places like Narrabri
(who are also getting screwed over by Santos' nearby Pilliga Gas Project) and those who just had a major flood event five months ago
in places like Taree, Wauchope and Macksville.

Blacktown is extremely far west, but only the most dire straits LGAs received the early access to Pfizer for Year 12 students as this has caused an unfair shortage in regional NSW. The thing is, the east can bitch and moan all they want, but fortunately, the government ain't giving what they want, and they're still under lockdown. There's only 8 LGAs receiving the emergency supply of Pfizer for Year 12 students, Blacktown is one of those LGAs. Not one single one of those LGAs is in the east. As much as the east are bitching and moaning, Gladys is ignoring her, and I'm proud of her for doing so. This is despite the fact that many of those 8 LGAs contain very safe Labor seats. Many other politicians would have given into the demands of those out east. The eight LGAs are Liverpool, Fairfield, Canterbury/Bankstown, Cumberland, Parramatta, Blacktown, Georges River and Campbelltown. Georges River LGA is quite east, but not as east as say Bondi. Some parts of Georges River are considered eastish and affluaentish, but nowhere near as east or affluent as say Bondi or the northern beaches. There are probably people who refuse to travel even that far west (yes, there are people who refuse to travel west of **insert suburb here**, one of my uni lecturers was one of them), but Georges River is furthest east of all 8 of them

[Australian rePublic]

https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1EdFpOXdl1l971g7O209iW5TkK5UZwqda&ll=-33.45338171654163%2C151.33479867704287&z=11
I mapped some potential rail projects I thought of for the Sydney and Central coast regions.
- Northern Beaches Line (T10) -
Double track from Milsons Point to Narrabeen via
Mosman and Brookvale.
Double-track tunnel crossing the Narrabeen Lagoon, then single track beyond Warriewood, and
tunnel into Mona Vale station, which is underground,
connects to bus services to Ku-ring-gai area and Pittwater Peninsula (Newport and Avalon Beach)
- I originally had plans to make it go from Chatswood to Warriewood by going through Roseville Chase,
but it'd cut through too much national park.

Erina Line (G1)
Loop line from Gosford to The Entrance and Wyong
(via Erina and Bateau Bay)
Double-track from Gosford to Bateau Bay, single track
with passing loops to The Entrance.
Single-track with passing loops from Bateau Bay to Tuggerah,
then rejoins the Sydney-Brisbane Line at Tuggerah.
Line ends at Wyong
Southeast Metro
- Bondi Junction (where it could connect to the T4 Line)
to Matraville via UNSW and Maroubra.
- Double track for the entire length
- Connections to L2 and L3 light rail (Randwick, Kingston lines)
- Tunnel from Kingston to Maroubra

(I also added part of the Parramatta light rail proposal in,
with an extension to Epping, which would tie in perfectly with the Epping
to Chatswood Metro)

Any thoughts, anyone?
I did this because I could do this for Brisbane, and
I probably will, but it's easier for Sydney because I have an idea in my head already)

I can't see your map. It says "Access Denied", however, as nice as it is to fantasise, the Northern Beaches will never have a rail line as long as it remains one of the country's safest liberal areas. This is a democracy. Safe seats never get anything unless absolutely necessary. The Northern Beaches really needs a rail line, but there are too many safe Liberal seats. This means that the libs don't wanna touch it, because they're already gonna get votes irrespective of what they do, and Labor don't wanna touch it because they won't get any votes there no matter what they do. The vice versa is true for the Bankstown Line. If it wasn't built 100 years ago, it never would have been built, because there are too many safe Labor seats along the corridor. The secret to getting infrastructure in your region is not to need it badly, but rather to be a marginal seat. The people of Wollongong and that part of the Illawarra keep begging for infrastruture that they'll never get. They blame it on the fact that they're not part of Sydney and therefore don't matter, when in reality, it's because they're a safe seat. Either way, whilst I can't see your map, I do like your proposal, but I don't think it's anywhere near extensive enough. It's been a long, long time since there have been any major upgrade of the rail network, to the point where what the NSW Libs are building colossal rail infrastructure projects (one of the largest outside of Asia) and all they are currently doing is playing catch-up rather than building for the future, and even then, it's not enough as far as playing catch-up is concerned. I wish I could see the map

[Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts]

I can't see your map. It says "Access Denied", however, as nice as it is to fantasise, the Northern Beaches will never have a rail line as long as it remains one of the country's safest liberal areas. This is a democracy. Safe seats never get anything unless absolutely necessary. The Northern Beaches really needs a rail line, but there are too many safe Liberal seats. This means that the libs don't wanna touch it, because they're already gonna get votes irrespective of what they do, and Labor don't wanna touch it because they won't get any votes there no matter what they do. The vice versa is true for the Bankstown Line. If it wasn't built 100 years ago, it never would have been built, because there are too many safe Labor seats along the corridor. The secret to getting infrastructure in your region is not to need it badly, but rather to be a marginal seat. The people of Wollongong and that part of the Illawarra keep begging for infrastruture that they'll never get. They blame it on the fact that they're not part of Sydney and therefore don't matter, when in reality, it's because they're a safe seat. Either way, whilst I can't see your map, I do like your proposal, but I don't think it's anywhere near extensive enough. It's been a long, long time since there have been any major upgrade of the rail network, to the point where what the NSW Libs are building colossal rail infrastructure projects (one of the largest outside of Asia) and all they are currently doing is playing catch-up rather than building for the future, and even then, it's not enough as far as playing catch-up is concerned. I wish I could see the map

I've added a light rail proposal for the Illie region as well
Illie = Illawarra

[Australian rePublic]

I can't see your map. It says "Access Denied", however, as nice as it is to fantasise, the Northern Beaches will never have a rail line as long as it remains one of the country's safest liberal areas. This is a democracy. Safe seats never get anything unless absolutely necessary. The Northern Beaches really needs a rail line, but there are too many safe Liberal seats. This means that the libs don't wanna touch it, because they're already gonna get votes irrespective of what they do, and Labor don't wanna touch it because they won't get any votes there no matter what they do. The vice versa is true for the Bankstown Line. If it wasn't built 100 years ago, it never would have been built, because there are too many safe Labor seats along the corridor. The secret to getting infrastructure in your region is not to need it badly, but rather to be a marginal seat. The people of Wollongong and that part of the Illawarra keep begging for infrastruture that they'll never get. They blame it on the fact that they're not part of Sydney and therefore don't matter, when in reality, it's because they're a safe seat. Either way, whilst I can't see your map, I do like your proposal, but I don't think it's anywhere near extensive enough. It's been a long, long time since there have been any major upgrade of the rail network, to the point where what the NSW Libs are building colossal rail infrastructure projects (one of the largest outside of Asia) and all they are currently doing is playing catch-up rather than building for the future, and even then, it's not enough as far as playing catch-up is concerned. I wish I could see the map

I've added a light rail proposal for the Illie region as well
Illie = Illawarra

As far as the Illawarra is concerned, you had the same idea as I did with regards to light rail, except, I would have added a stop at Win Stadium which was separate to the one at Crown St Mall. (I go to Wollongong quite often, and I know how beneficial it would be for those two to be different stops). The rest of your proposal is pretty good actually (especially considering you've never been to Sydney), however, there is no metro anywhere near Bondi, nor are there any plans to build one. I'd show you my proposal, if I ever got around to making it. Are you an urban planner?

[Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts]

I've added a light rail proposal for the Illie region as well
Illie = Illawarra

As far as the Illawarra is concerned, you had the same idea as I did with regards to light rail, except, I would have added a stop at Win Stadium which was separate to the one at Crown St Mall. (I go to Wollongong quite often, and I know how beneficial it would be for those two to be different stops). The rest of your proposal is pretty good actually (especially considering you've never been to Sydney), however, there is no metro anywhere near Bondi, nor are there any plans to build one. I'd show you my proposal, if I ever got around to making it. Are you an urban planner?[/quote]
But would that worry Labor? Y'know, Wollongong is a Labor stronghold on a state and federal level.
Could that hurt their chances?

Plus, no, I'm not an urban planner. i just do it for a hobby

[Australian rePublic]

I've added a light rail proposal for the Illie region as well
Illie = Illawarra

As far as the Illawarra is concerned, you had the same idea as I did with regards to light rail, except, I would have added a stop at Win Stadium which was separate to the one at Crown St Mall. (I go to Wollongong quite often, and I know how beneficial it would be for those two to be different stops). The rest of your proposal is pretty good actually (especially considering you've never been to Sydney), however, there is no metro anywhere near Bondi, nor are there any plans to build one. I'd show you my proposal, if I ever got around to making it. Are you an urban planner?

But would that worry Labor? Y'know, Wollongong is a Labor stronghold on a state and federal level.
Could that hurt their chances?

Plus, no, I'm not an urban planner. i just do it for a hobby[/quote]
I see. But this map will never get built either way. Labor or otherwise. Trust me, as a person who frequently visits Wollongong, there needs to be a seperate stop at Crown St Mall vs Win Stadium. Trust me. I go to Wollongong multiple times a year, every year, I am familiar enough with that part of the city to make such comments

[Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts]

I see. But this map will never get built either way. Labor or otherwise. Trust me, as a person who frequently visits Wollongong, there needs to be a seperate stop at Crown St Mall vs Win Stadium. Trust me. I go to Wollongong multiple times a year, every year, I am familiar enough with that part of the city to make such comments

Okay. Y'know,
I only know because I use Google Maps Street View a lot. It's very immersive, and I believe Google Maps actually started in Australia.

Plus, last QLD election, I think the Labor party gained Hinkler (Bundaberg) by a 0.01% margin or something.
I bet my ten bucks that's going to fall back to the LNP again.
I think Labor's able to stay in because, well, ask some what they thought of Joh-Bjelke Petersen. Careful where you look though,
it is one of the 'quietest' places in Australia, QLD.

[The Socialist Republic of Astrakhan]

Australians are more well mannered than Americans , in terms of modesty.

[Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts]

https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Bills_Legislation/Bills_Search_Results/Result?bId=r6623

Okay, I never thought I'd say this,
but what the hell were they thinking?

Australia has no bill of rights.

[Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts]

Apparently, according to a finding from the Intl. Monetary Fund in 2013,
the Howard Government was the most profligate government in Australian history.

And the lnp claims Labouur's spending is reckless.

I mean, you can vote for the Liberal Democrats, Greens, Independents, etc, but they've never been in power, aren't in power
and never will be in power, ever. Unless in some magical land the crossbench gains enough members to govern in its
own right