Australian Political & Infrastructure Discussion Thread

[Australian rePublic]

The Cashless Debit card has passed the HoR 62 to 61. The Aboriginals and Territorians on the Cashless Debit Card are about to be the centre of a Zerocash Circus orchestrated to paint every Centrelink recipient as a dole bludger. The Industrial Relations bill proposed to Parliament doesn't look good either.

Considering MANY welfare recipients in the NT - 81% specifically - are First Nations people, this sort of seems borderline discriminatory. And it disgusts me that the Centre Alliance Party supports this.

The Cashless Welfare, or as the JuiceMedia might call it, "Class Warfare" card, is little more than another scheme to leech money from welfare recipients to Indue, run by an ex-Nats director, Garry Anthony. Although this just might be me speculating, it's likely more and more people on programs like JobKeeper or JobSeeker will be moved onto the CWC.

As if the robodebt scheme wasn't enough....

The LNP obviously aren't the way to go, Labor's....alright, the Greens are...still not sure, One Nation and the UAP, out of the question, and Katter's Party seems alright. But the way to go is that we need more independent politicians that look out for us rather than the major parties' connections to oil, gas and big business.

There are some people who leech money of Centrelink, but it's like cutting down an apple tree; you'll get rid of the bad apples, but you'll drag the legit welfare recipients in need of help down an even deeper hole.

Therefore with all due respect, I do not in any way support the
#CashlessWelfareCard.
(jordies hasnt talked about this, so I'm not parroting his word on it)

It's frankly disgusting.
That's why we need #Independents who will look out for us Australians - ALL australians

You can't possibly look out for "all" Australians. People have contradictory needs. For example, raising the minimum wage might help workers, but it hurts small mom & pop businesses. Banning McDonalds from entering small towns may help mom & pop restaurants, but it hurts mom & pop franchisees and mom & pop shareholders. Keep interest rates low? You help people with mortgages, but you hurt retierees who live off their savings. That's why I'm a centrist. I believe in finding the middle ground

[Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts]

Fair enough.

By the way, as a general question to everyone,

Would you rather:

Mike Bird
OR
Gladys Berejiklian

[Shrillland]

The Cashless Debit card has passed the HoR 62 to 61. The Aboriginals and Territorians on the Cashless Debit Card are about to be the centre of a Zerocash Circus orchestrated to paint every Centrelink recipient as a dole bludger. The Industrial Relations bill proposed to Parliament doesn't look good either.

Considering MANY welfare recipients in the NT - 81% specifically - are First Nations people, this sort of seems borderline discriminatory. And it disgusts me that the Centre Alliance Party supports this.

The Cashless Welfare, or as the JuiceMedia might call it, "Class Warfare" card, is little more than another scheme to leech money from welfare recipients to Indue, run by an ex-Nats director, Garry Anthony. Although this just might be me speculating, it's likely more and more people on programs like JobKeeper or JobSeeker will be moved onto the CWC.

As if the robodebt scheme wasn't enough....

The LNP obviously aren't the way to go, Labor's....alright, the Greens are...still not sure, One Nation and the UAP, out of the question, and Katter's Party seems alright. But the way to go is that we need more independent politicians that look out for us rather than the major parties' connections to oil, gas and big business.

There are some people who leech money of Centrelink, but it's like cutting down an apple tree; you'll get rid of the bad apples, but you'll drag the legit welfare recipients in need of help down an even deeper hole.

Therefore with all due respect, I do not in any way support the
#CashlessWelfareCard.
(jordies hasnt talked about this, so I'm not parroting his word on it)

It's frankly disgusting.
That's why we need #Independents who will look out for us Australians - ALL australians

It passed...god damn it. With so many restrictions and no way to get actual cash, this is nothing more or less than dehumanisation of people who actually need help. People with disabilities using Centrelink aren't moochers, they genuinely need help as do the unemployed.

[Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts]

[It passed...god damn it. With so many restrictions and no way to get actual cash, this is nothing more or less than dehumanisation of people who actually need help. People with disabilities using Centrelink aren't moochers, they genuinely need help as do the unemployed.

While yes, you can't satisfy everyone's needs,
it's still a disgusting piece of legislation that deserves to be left up sh&t creek without a paddle in a rusty iron canoe up the East Alligator River.

[Australian rePublic]

[It passed...god damn it. With so many restrictions and no way to get actual cash, this is nothing more or less than dehumanisation of people who actually need help. People with disabilities using Centrelink aren't moochers, they genuinely need help as do the unemployed.

While yes, you can't satisfy everyone's needs,
it's still a disgusting piece of legislation that deserves to be left up sh&t creek without a paddle in a rusty iron canoe up the East Alligator River.

That's what a cashless society will look like. That's why I'm pro-cash

[Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts]

The Queensland election was certainly interesting, with the Murdoch media attacking Trad and Palasczczuk, Trad losing her seat to the Greens, Katter keeping the seat of Kennedy while attaining two more, One Nation finally got a single seat in North Queensland, and the UAP.....well, who the hell knows what they were doing......

What I noticed regarding the parties:

Labor: Anna remained popular in her seat of Inala; winning in a landslide by 8,000 votes to the LNP. Jackie Trad, MP for South Brisbane, lost her seat to the Greens. Bundaberg remained a Labor seat, Labor gained the seat of Hervey Bay, an ex-LNP seat, and other stuff. The ALP seemed to have a higher majority than last time - winning by 9 seats. Despite ALP failing to grab Toowoomba North from the LNP, considerably more people voted for them, only losing out by 3,000 votes, compared to Toowoomba South, which lost by 8,000.

Liberal-National: The LNP kept a good number of seats on the Gold Coast and in inland southern Queensland. As said, Trevor Watts, Pat Weir and David Janetzki kept their seats in the Toowoomba area, despite the margin between the two major parties being smaller. Nanango, Deb's seat, remained safe, while the seats of Hervey Bay, Bundaberg, Pumicestone, Caloundra and Nicklin were lost to the ALP.

Katter's Australian Party: A better-than-usual election for A Much Cooler Barnaby Joyce's party; holding onto the seat of Kennedy, while attaining two more seats in North Queensland. (Hill and Hinchinbrook)

Greens: The Greens lost their only seat in Queensland, only to get one in South Brisbane. Nowhere else.

One Nation: Kept their seat in North QLD; nowhere else, really.

UAP: The voter numbers in almost every electorate totalled to three digits. Again. Wonder if it's because Nickelboy forgot to tell people why to vote for him and instead became a vehicle for LNP promotion.

And that's the general rundown.

[Australian rePublic]

A big problem in this country is that we have no manufacturing, and a lot of that has to do with the fact that electricty is too expensive. What can we do about that?

[Australian rePublic]

The Queensland election was certainly interesting, with the Murdoch media attacking Trad and Palasczczuk, Trad losing her seat to the Greens, Katter keeping the seat of Kennedy while attaining two more, One Nation finally got a single seat in North Queensland, and the UAP.....well, who the hell knows what they were doing......

What I noticed regarding the parties:

Labor: Anna remained popular in her seat of Inala; winning in a landslide by 8,000 votes to the LNP. Jackie Trad, MP for South Brisbane, lost her seat to the Greens. Bundaberg remained a Labor seat, Labor gained the seat of Hervey Bay, an ex-LNP seat, and other stuff. The ALP seemed to have a higher majority than last time - winning by 9 seats. Despite ALP failing to grab Toowoomba North from the LNP, considerably more people voted for them, only losing out by 3,000 votes, compared to Toowoomba South, which lost by 8,000.

Liberal-National: The LNP kept a good number of seats on the Gold Coast and in inland southern Queensland. As said, Trevor Watts, Pat Weir and David Janetzki kept their seats in the Toowoomba area, despite the margin between the two major parties being smaller. Nanango, Deb's seat, remained safe, while the seats of Hervey Bay, Bundaberg, Pumicestone, Caloundra and Nicklin were lost to the ALP.

Katter's Australian Party: A better-than-usual election for A Much Cooler Barnaby Joyce's party; holding onto the seat of Kennedy, while attaining two more seats in North Queensland. (Hill and Hinchinbrook)

Greens: The Greens lost their only seat in Queensland, only to get one in South Brisbane. Nowhere else.

One Nation: Kept their seat in North QLD; nowhere else, really.

UAP: The voter numbers in almost every electorate totalled to three digits. Again. Wonder if it's because Nickelboy forgot to tell people why to vote for him and instead became a vehicle for LNP promotion.

And that's the general rundown.

I don't like Palaszczuk

[Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts]

A big problem in this country is that we have no manufacturing, and a lot of that has to do with the fact that electricty is too expensive. What can we do about that?

How do you mean?

[Shrillland]

A big problem in this country is that we have no manufacturing, and a lot of that has to do with the fact that electricty is too expensive. What can we do about that?

Nukes, nukes, nukes.

[Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts]

I don't like Palaszczuk

Didn't say you had to.

It's just a general rundown.

In addition, I don't know whether or not this is a touchy subject to some, but the bushfire season, ignoring whatever Scott or Gladys did, well, it's a pretty foregone (and debated) point that climate change is responsible.

I mean,

- Batemans Bay, town of 15,000, on fire

- Entire streets wiped out

- A heritage-listed lodge burning

- Years of extended drought

- Rainforest burning

- Suburban Sydney ablaze

gives a lot of cause for climate change to be responsible.

I'm not a climate nutjob or a Greens shill, I'm just saying.
Maybe I should become an Independent politician!

[Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts]

A big problem in this country is that we have no manufacturing, and a lot of that has to do with the fact that electricty is too expensive. What can we do about that?

Nukes, nukes, nukes.

To quote Bill Wurtz,

'No, that'll be the end of the world.'

[Shrillland]

Nukes, nukes, nukes.

To quote Bill Wurtz,

'No, that'll be the end of the world.'

Well, Australia could likely go all renewable, to be fair. I'm just a fan of using nukes to make up for any shortfalls in energy production that may come since they don't emit greenhouse gases and with new thorium salt reactors, won't meltdown either.

[Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts]

Yeah, Palasczczuk might be bad, but I hold the same level of disdain for Deb Frecklington. If I lived in her seat, I'd probably vote for an Independent candidate....or any other party that's not the Greens - except One Nation or the UAP. I'd also be a lot more comfortable knowing my vote's not flowing to one of the Big 2 - that I'm actually voting for....say, the Greens, and that it won't flow into the LNP's vote.

Clive Palmer would probably just funnel his party's votes (roughly 300 per electorate) into the LNP anyway, the way he went advertising them during the election.

I also noticed, as said before, Katter's party did fairly well in the election; they're now the 3rd-biggest party in QLD Parliament - despite only attaining 3 seats.


P.S. I never realised how small Anna's seat is compared to Deb's.

[Australian rePublic]

A big problem in this country is that we have no manufacturing, and a lot of that has to do with the fact that electricty is too expensive. What can we do about that?

How do you mean?

How much was your last electrical bill? Exactly. Everything is too damn expensive in this country. There were proposals to build a natural gas pipeline from WA to the east coast and thus make the eastern states a manufacturing hot spot, but it's been turned down over and over again. We prefer to send our gas to China who'll pollute the world on our behalf. Sending gas to China will cause the same amountnof pollution as us using that gas ourselves, so there's no net benefit to the environment, in fact it's worse, because it's bad for the environment for us to ship it overseas, and also, China has fewer environmental regulations than us. I've from someone who knows about that that sending everything overseas was Gillard's policy, and nothing's changed since. I'm worried that Australia will fall victim to Dutch Disease, and then we're fucked. Another benefit of Australia building more manufacturing in the east is that we can build solar panels in the desert, providing us with a greener industry than what we'd get by sending everything to China. Plus, we're not dealing with a country that hates our guts. It's win-win-win

To quote Bill Wurtz,

'No, that'll be the end of the world.'

Well, Australia could likely go all renewable, to be fair. I'm just a fan of using nukes to make up for any shortfalls in energy production that may come since they don't emit greenhouse gases and with new thorium salt reactors, won't meltdown either.

I don't think that any country can go all renewable at this stage. SA and VIC tried that and look at the huge power failures + electrical prices. Don't get me wrong, we'll eventually get there, just not now

[Australian rePublic]

I don't like Palaszczuk

Didn't say you had to.

It's just a general rundown.

In addition, I don't know whether or not this is a touchy subject to some, but the bushfire season, ignoring whatever Scott or Gladys did, well, it's a pretty foregone (and debated) point that climate change is responsible.

I mean,

- Batemans Bay, town of 15,000, on fire

- Entire streets wiped out

- A heritage-listed lodge burning

- Years of extended drought

- Rainforest burning

- Suburban Sydney ablaze

gives a lot of cause for climate change to be responsible.

I'm not a climate nutjob or a Greens shill, I'm just saying.
Maybe I should become an Independent politician!

So I suppose that Gladys was also responsible for the fires of East Gippsland, VIC and Kangaroo Island, SA?

[Australian rePublic]

I don't like Palaszczuk

Didn't say you had to.

It's just a general rundown.

In addition, I don't know whether or not this is a touchy subject to some, but the bushfire season, ignoring whatever Scott or Gladys did, well, it's a pretty foregone (and debated) point that climate change is responsible.

I mean,

- Batemans Bay, town of 15,000, on fire

- Entire streets wiped out

- A heritage-listed lodge burning

- Years of extended drought

- Rainforest burning

- Suburban Sydney ablaze

gives a lot of cause for climate change to be responsible.

I'm not a climate nutjob or a Greens shill, I'm just saying.
Maybe I should become an Independent politician!

The thing I hate about environmentalists is that they're those rich snobs who live in wealthy areas (e.g. Vaucluse) and demand that little towns get stuck with things like wind turbines and yet won't want them in their own backyard. When Tony Abbott lost his seat to Kerryn Phelps, a big reason why people voted for Phelps was because she was very pro-renewables. Some people thought that the people of that area (Manly, NSW) should put their money where their mouths is and install wind turbines on Manly beach. The shit hit the ceiling. Everyone went nuts "not in my backyard". Bob Brown, former leader of the Greens was very pro wind-turbine, until the government wanted to build a wind farm in his state, Tasmania. It's funny how environmentalists are very environmentalism until it actually affects them. I'm not an environmentalist, but it breaks my heart seeing the environment get destroyed. However, I'm for practicle solutions, such as recycling, planting trees and investing in research to improve renewable energy, rather than trying to implement the shit we have now. By trying to make ourselves a renewable power house, all we're doing is sacrificing our industry to foreign countries who don't give a fuck. At the same token, however, we shouldn't just completely get rid of all environmental legislation. Environmental legisilation is important. But it should be based on common sense and practicality, rather than abitrary impractical renewable quotas

[Imperial isa]

Reminder when Clive Palmer was suing WA to open so he could go to his house he own?

States open i bet he too chicken to come here now.

[Australian rePublic]

Reminder when Clive Palmer was suing WA to open so he could go to his house he own?

States open i bet he too chicken to come here now.

Yep

[Dazchan]

Bob Brown, former leader of the Greens was very pro wind-turbine, until the government wanted to build a wind farm in his state, Tasmania. It's funny how environmentalists are very environmentalism until it actually affects them.

From The Guardian:

The former Greens leader said the $1.6bn Robbins Island development could harm migratory and critically endangered birds, and transmission lines to link the plant to a new power cable across Bass Strait would require a path to be cut through the Tarkine wilderness.

So he’s not against wind farms in Tasmania, he’s against one specific wind farm that will have a negative impact on wildlife and require the destruction of part of a rainforest to build.

[Australian rePublic]

Bob Brown, former leader of the Greens was very pro wind-turbine, until the government wanted to build a wind farm in his state, Tasmania. It's funny how environmentalists are very environmentalism until it actually affects them.

From The Guardian:

The former Greens leader said the $1.6bn Robbins Island development could harm migratory and critically endangered birds, and transmission lines to link the plant to a new power cable across Bass Strait would require a path to be cut through the Tarkine wilderness.

So he’s not against wind farms in Tasmania, he’s against one specific wind farm that will have a negative impact on wildlife and require the destruction of part of a rainforest to build.

Ok. I was wrong about that one detail. Are you gonna address any other aspect of what I wrote?

[Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts]

[
So I suppose that Gladys was also responsible for the fires of East Gippsland, VIC and Kangaroo Island, SA?

I never said she was responsible for those fires.

And I never said renewable energy was without flaws.

[Australian rePublic]

[
So I suppose that Gladys was also responsible for the fires of East Gippsland, VIC and Kangaroo Island, SA?

I never said she was.

Fair enough

[Australian rePublic]

If you could start a political party, what would it be. I'd start the Australian Infrastructure Party, and, as the name suggests, I'd be very much into infrastructure and centristism and deregulation (considering how much of an over-regulated nanny state we are

[Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts]

Peter Dutton's a scary bloke.