The way the amendment reads making DC a state would remove the need for the 23rd.
Also DC gets 3 EC votes not 2
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by Thermodolia » Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:18 pm
by Thermodolia » Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:20 pm
Marxist Germany wrote:Thermodolia wrote:The government shouldn’t be involved in sending people to death. This is what I don’t get with you “pro-lifers” you all claim your against the murder of innocents yet you support the death penalty and refuse to support any measures to make abortion rare.
It’s like your not “pro-life” at all but pro-birth.
I am pro-life and against the death penalty and pro abstinence+contraceptive sex ed. Overgeneralising and threadjacking is not a great idea.
by Heloin » Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:23 pm
Services are already provided by the local authorities. Nothing would change in that regard aside from fear mongering.
The local authorities being the proposed State legislature/city council, which would be run by DC the state.
This is a lie in both ways. Finland never voted to ban water and the situation that lead to this lie still had a minority of politicians who were asked the question "would they look into restricting it" say yes.
I gave an outlandish example for satirical effect. My point is that DC never held a binding referendum, therefore, their "vote" is easily discarded.
by Bear Stearns » Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:36 pm
by Trollzyn the Infinite » Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:40 pm
by Thermodolia » Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:43 pm
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:State of Columbia? Why not? I'd rather see Puerto Rico get statehood but D.C. is fine too.
by Trollzyn the Infinite » Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:44 pm
by Heloin » Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:47 pm
by Kiu Ghesik » Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:47 pm
by Trollzyn the Infinite » Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:48 pm
Heloin wrote:Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Puerto Rico is more of a pressing issue IMO. D.C. gets all the aid if a hurricane hits even without statehood. Puerto Rico is lucky to get a pittance as a territory. Nobody deserves that.
DC is all behind statehood while Puerto Rico is on the fence about the issue. Don't get me wrong, Puerto Rico has pressing issues, but the territory's intentions on statehood while recently leaning towards yes have always been a bit too close to call. They'll be voting again this year so fingers crossed.
by Thermodolia » Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:49 pm
by Bear Stearns » Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:57 pm
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Heloin wrote:DC is all behind statehood while Puerto Rico is on the fence about the issue. Don't get me wrong, Puerto Rico has pressing issues, but the territory's intentions on statehood while recently leaning towards yes have always been a bit too close to call. They'll be voting again this year so fingers crossed.
According to the latest polls the majority of Puerto Ricans are pro-statehood. About or above 60% IIRC. Good enough for me, and good enough for Congress.
by Trollzyn the Infinite » Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:58 pm
Bear Stearns wrote:Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
According to the latest polls the majority of Puerto Ricans are pro-statehood. About or above 60% IIRC. Good enough for me, and good enough for Congress.
Other states need to consent to it, so it's unlikely their Congressmen will willfully dilute their own power.
by Marxist Germany » Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:59 pm
The local authorities being the proposed State legislature/city council, which would be run by DC the state.
Services in DC are already provided by the local government of DC. Turning DC into a state and separating it from the Federal capital won't change this.
I gave an outlandish example for satirical effect. My point is that DC never held a binding referendum, therefore, their "vote" is easily discarded.
You gave a stupid example to try and disprove a binding referendum that has already been approved by half of Congress that you disagree with.
by Bear Stearns » Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:01 pm
Greed and Death wrote:Allenstadt wrote:I really doubt that anyone will make DC a state soon, but it will probably soon get home government (or should)
I doubt the republicans would be as angry if they were trying to make Wyomning a state.
It already has home rule subject to congressional override.
Wyoming was made a state in 1890 after its population had tripled in a 10 year period and when farming made up some 80% of the US population. DC's population has declined form its peak in the 1950s and has only slightly began to rebound since the late 2000's a trend most likely reversed due to the pandemic and civil unrest.
In summation Wyoming was made a state when farming and ranching was the focus of the US economy and envisioned to continue as such, currently the focus of the US economy is the suburbs which DC lacks (because they are in neighboring states states) so population projections will most likely have DC stagnating or shirking again.
by Bear Stearns » Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:03 pm
by Trollzyn the Infinite » Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:05 pm
Bear Stearns wrote:Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Why, exactly, do other states need to consent to it? It doesn't affect them.
Because Congress, which represents those states, has to approve it. Different areas of land can't simply become US states because they want it, the nation receiving them has to consent to it as well. And the addition of more states does affect them, including relative representation, distribution of resources, political party strength, etc.
by Bear Stearns » Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:09 pm
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Bear Stearns wrote:
Because Congress, which represents those states, has to approve it. Different areas of land can't simply become US states because they want it, the nation receiving them has to consent to it as well. And the addition of more states does affect them, including relative representation, distribution of resources, political party strength, etc.
In other words, it doesn't matter unless you're a fucking partisan hack. Too bad I don't give a shit what they think.
by Salus Maior » Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:14 pm
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
In other words, it doesn't matter unless you're a fucking partisan hack. Too bad I don't give a shit what they think.
by The Reformed American Republic » Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:17 pm
by Heloin » Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:19 pm
Bear Stearns wrote:Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
In other words, it doesn't matter unless you're a fucking partisan hack. Too bad I don't give a shit what they think.
Huh? That's an odd conclusion to arrive at. We're not obligated to accept anyone as a state simply because they want it.
And the issues I mentioned transcend political parties, and are things that all states, especially smaller ones, are concerned about.
by Necroghastia » Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:34 pm
The Reformed American Republic wrote:Yes, but only if you allow California to break up.
by Conservative Republic Of Huang » Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:47 pm
The Reformed American Republic wrote:Yes, but only if you allow California to break up.
by Christian Confederation » Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:51 pm
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