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Should more cartoons of Mohammed be published in response to this latest attack?

Yes. We must not allow these Islamist terrorists to have the final say.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:22 pm

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Insaanistan wrote:Why? J-just why? How empty must your life be to make fun of an anti-slavery, anti-sexism, anti-racism and anti-militarism advocate?

Mohammed was the opposite of all of those things though.


Mohammed was like the medieval, Arab Donald Trump.

So not Trump at all actually.
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Postby Shofercia » Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:23 pm

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Loben III wrote:Oh hey I’ve seen this one!

Does it end with a bang?


Nope, it ends with a boom!
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Postby Sundiata » Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:25 pm

I've largely had good experiences with Muslim people.
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Postby Major-Tom » Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:26 pm

Sundiata wrote:I've largely had good experiences with Muslim people.


Me too, very good people in my experience. That said, no faith is above criticism.

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Postby Shofercia » Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:29 pm

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Sundiata wrote:I've largely had good experiences with Muslim people.


Me too, very good people in my experience. That said, no faith is above criticism.


I've had the least pleasant experiences with atheists, and most pleasant experiences with people of any faith. Most Muslims I know are fairly awesome, except for that one guy who thinks he's smarter than everyone, and yet, he's the only idiot to get a DUI, so I doubt his faith's the reason for his "smarts"
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Postby Rusozak » Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:29 pm

Brave for them I guess. Just don't be shocked if it happens again. I would beef up security.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:32 pm

This is a good day for freedom of expression and religious liberty.
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Postby Latvijas Otra Republika » Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:37 pm

Insaanistan wrote:Why? J-just why? How empty must your life be to make fun of an anti-slavery, anti-sexism, anti-racism and anti-militarism advocate?

Funny, it’s funny
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Postby Insaanistan » Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:37 pm

The Lone Alliance wrote:Here's the thing I don't really get, Muslims say it's wrong to draw a picture of Mohammed, if that's true, how the hell does anyone know what Mohammed looks like in the first place to claim it's a drawing of him?
If someone took a stick and stood it up against the wall and said "It's a statue of Mohammed" that doesn't make it so, all Muslims have to say is that it's a "Fake Mohammed".

Hell doesn't the rule itself only applies to Muslims because Mohammed didn't want Muslims worshipping him, I think it's very clear that Charlie Hebbo isn't drawing pictures of Mohammed to worship, so unless Muslims start bowing down and praying to the cartoons no sin has been committed.


We still don’t want people portraying him. Many Muslims don’t even like their picture taken (though it’s a minority, mainly in rural areas of the Middle East and South/Southeast Asia). Especially cartoons that are meant to ridicule him. Out of respect, you know?
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Postby Insaanistan » Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:38 pm

New haven america wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:Why? J-just why? How empty must your life be to make fun of an anti-slavery, anti-sexism, anti-racism and anti-militarism advocate?

Mohammed was literally the opposite of all of those things though.

In fact, he was a slave owning warlord who was married to multiple women, 1 of which was a child, and whose followers viewed non-Muslims as lesser.

Also, people make fun of Jesus all the time, and he's exactly what you just described.


See my other posts for clarification on your misconceptions, my friend!
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Postby Loben III » Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:39 pm

Insaanistan wrote:
The Lone Alliance wrote:Here's the thing I don't really get, Muslims say it's wrong to draw a picture of Mohammed, if that's true, how the hell does anyone know what Mohammed looks like in the first place to claim it's a drawing of him?
If someone took a stick and stood it up against the wall and said "It's a statue of Mohammed" that doesn't make it so, all Muslims have to say is that it's a "Fake Mohammed".

Hell doesn't the rule itself only applies to Muslims because Mohammed didn't want Muslims worshipping him, I think it's very clear that Charlie Hebbo isn't drawing pictures of Mohammed to worship, so unless Muslims start bowing down and praying to the cartoons no sin has been committed.


We still don’t want people portraying him. Many Muslims don’t even like their picture taken (though it’s a minority, mainly in rural areas of the Middle East and South/Southeast Asia). Especially cartoons that are meant to ridicule him. Out of respect, you know?


oh? out of respect?
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Postby New haven america » Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:40 pm

Insaanistan wrote:
New haven america wrote:Mohammed was literally the opposite of all of those things though.

In fact, he was a slave owning warlord who was married to multiple women, 1 of which was a child, and whose followers viewed non-Muslims as lesser.

Also, people make fun of Jesus all the time, and he's exactly what you just described.


See my other posts for clarification on your misconceptions, my friend!

Ironically your explanations just make him seem more sexist, racist, and warlordy, my friend~
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Postby Sao Nova Europa » Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:44 pm

Insaanistan wrote:
The Lone Alliance wrote:Here's the thing I don't really get, Muslims say it's wrong to draw a picture of Mohammed, if that's true, how the hell does anyone know what Mohammed looks like in the first place to claim it's a drawing of him?
If someone took a stick and stood it up against the wall and said "It's a statue of Mohammed" that doesn't make it so, all Muslims have to say is that it's a "Fake Mohammed".

Hell doesn't the rule itself only applies to Muslims because Mohammed didn't want Muslims worshipping him, I think it's very clear that Charlie Hebbo isn't drawing pictures of Mohammed to worship, so unless Muslims start bowing down and praying to the cartoons no sin has been committed.


We still don’t want people portraying him. Many Muslims don’t even like their picture taken (though it’s a minority, mainly in rural areas of the Middle East and South/Southeast Asia). Especially cartoons that are meant to ridicule him. Out of respect, you know?


You are free to not like the cartoons, to peacefully protest about them, write articles denouncing them or pen cartoons ridiculing Charlie Hebdo.

What should in no case happen, is to ban people from making such cartoons. It is a vital part of freedom of speech and expression that shouldn't be restricted.
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Postby Syrgastan » Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:48 pm

Kowani wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:Why? J-just why? How empty must your life be to make fun of an anti-slavery, anti-sexism, anti-racism and anti-militarism advocate?

Anti-sexism
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Postby Insaanistan » Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:49 pm

New haven america wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:
See my other posts for clarification on your misconceptions, my friend!

Ironically your explanations just make him seem more sexist, racist, and warlordy, my friend~


Did you... even read any of them. Please, tell me where it what I said says any of that.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:55 pm

Charlie Hebdo: prints blatantly inflammatory cartoon
Radical Islamists: *kills Charlie Hebdo cartoonists for printing said cartoon*
Charlie Hebdo: prints it again
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Postby The Romanian Confederacy » Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:55 pm

Insaanistan wrote:Why? J-just why? How empty must your life be to make fun of an anti-slavery, anti-sexism, anti-racism and anti-militarism advocate?

It's called "freedom of speech and expression" I suggest you look into it more
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Postby Insaanistan » Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:57 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:Charlie Hebdo: prints blatantly inflammatory cartoon
Radical Islamists: *kills Charlie Hebdo cartoonists for printing said cartoon*
Charlie Hebdo: prints it again


Can we just call them terrorists instead of Islamists. Islamists implies they are following Islamic principles.
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Postby Insaanistan » Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:57 pm

The Romanian Confederacy wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:Why? J-just why? How empty must your life be to make fun of an anti-slavery, anti-sexism, anti-racism and anti-militarism advocate?

It's called "freedom of speech and expression" I suggest you look into it more


I said “why”, not “how”, my friend.
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Postby New haven america » Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:58 pm

Insaanistan wrote:
New haven america wrote:Ironically your explanations just make him seem more sexist, racist, and warlordy, my friend~


Did you... even read any of them. Please, tell me where it what I said says any of that.

Where do you wanna start? All women are apparently always pregnant so due to pregnancy brain their word is worth less than a man's? Women are incapable of taking care of themselves so they must rely on men? A good woman is obedient to her father/husband? Beating women is totally ok under the guise of "Being corrected/disciplined"?
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:59 pm

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The Romanian Confederacy wrote:It's called "freedom of speech and expression" I suggest you look into it more


I said “why”, not “how”, my friend.

That is why. They are making fun of Mohammed because they want to express criticism and exercise their rights.
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Postby Insaanistan » Wed Sep 02, 2020 5:00 pm

Statistics show most “Islamists” were young people who don’t aren’t very religious (hence why terrorists can make them believe the Qur’ân says what it does not so easily), and that more mosques and higher mosque attendance means less terrorists.
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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Sep 02, 2020 5:03 pm

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Does it end with a bang?


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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Sep 02, 2020 5:04 pm

Insaanistan wrote:Why? J-just why? How empty must your life be to make fun of an anti-slavery, anti-sexism, anti-racism and anti-militarism advocate?


Erm....I don't really see that in Mohammad.
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Insaanistan wrote:Statistics show most “Islamists” were young people who don’t aren’t very religious (hence why terrorists can make them believe the Qur’ân says what it does not so easily), and that more mosques and higher mosque attendance means less terrorists.

Where are these statistics?
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