[UPDATE] Charlie Hebdo targeted AGAIN

[Salus Maior]

It's called satire.

It's just a prank, bro.

[HXVZ-07031017]

It's called satire.

It's just a prank, bro.

Pranks can be criminal. Satires can't.

[Jedi Council]

It's called satire.

It's just a prank, bro.

Pranks are, as far as I am aware, not free speech.

Satire is.

[Benuty]

I don't exactly fancy parents tossing their children into an open fire while priests wildly beat drums to drown out the childs horrific wailing as they burned to a crisp as the name of an old god is chanted merrily. The phoenicians, and by extensions Carthaginians were pretty brutal even by the standards of back then. Not to mention the Assyrians had a rather awful custom of wearing their enemies skin. The persians were arguably the best, but even they invented the incredible punishment of scaphism (which I can't link the wiki article from).

I still don't like Islam. If you wanna know what the middle east would look like under my watch, imagine an extra sinful Lebanon. Talking casinos everywhere, legal drugs, strippers, the hard Rock Cafe, and a gun shop with no limit on magazines. None of this religious gobblyguck and traditionalism. Kinda like what Trump America would look like if the donald got his wish to be a dictator.

As unstable as Lebanon was destined to be due to demographic changes (not hard to guess why) not sure how long the regime of yours would last without sheer willpower. Sure you might be able to buy off the Saudis, but in your case its the Iranian proxies you have to worry about.

[Salus Maior]

It's just a prank, bro.

Pranks are, as far as I am aware, not free speech.

Satire is.

I'm not saying it's not.

[Benuty]

"So allow time for the disbelievers. Leave them awhile."
This is the verse that I have been referring to. The terror attack was going against this verse.

Damn I thought it was gonna be something awful like "but if the child says 'you lack a brain and you're ugly,' cast him out off over a cliff."

That was more of a Spartan fetish if anything.

[Jedi Council]

Pranks are, as far as I am aware, not free speech.

Satire is.

I'm not saying it's not.

Good, then we agree that Charlie Hebdo has every right to publish whatever images they like, be it a dancing Mohammed, Jesus In flagrante delicto, or Zues throwing a hussy fit.

[Benuty]

I'm not saying it's not.

Good, then we agree that Charlie Hebdo has every right to publish whatever images they like, be it a dancing Mohammed, Jesus In flagrante delicto, or Zues throwing a hussy fit.

I mean if you believe the myths about Hera, she was pretty mad at Zeus dating all those hussies.

[Jedi Council]

Good, then we agree that Charlie Hebdo has every right to publish whatever images they like, be it a dancing Mohammed, Jesus In flagrante delicto, or Zues throwing a hussy fit.

I mean if you believe the myths about Hera, she was pretty mad at Zeus dating all those hussies.

And rightfully so. The guy was a two timing bastard, even if some of Hera's methods were a bit harsh.

*looks awkwardly at Io*

[Kowani]

Don't lie to me. You know full well that the cause isn't "some cartoonists offended fundamentalists", and you know that it's ridiculous to claim that it was the cartoonists, rather than the terrorists who should have changed their behavior. You aren't "explaining the causes", you're shifting blame onto the victims and trying to hold them at fault. Perhaps you don't intend to, but you inadvertently have.

Wait, what? Do you...think they would've attacked if the cartoonists hadn't offended them?

I don't exactly fancy parents tossing their children into an open fire while priests wildly beat drums to drown out the childs horrific wailing as they burned to a crisp as the name of an old god is chanted merrily. The phoenicians, and by extensions Carthaginians were pretty brutal even by the standards of back then. Not to mention the Assyrians had a rather awful custom of wearing their enemies skin. The persians were arguably the best, but even they invented the incredible punishment of scaphism (which I can't link the wiki article from).

...Wasn't scaphism hella rare and only documented on like 2 occasions?

[Northern Davincia]

Don't lie to me. You know full well that the cause isn't "some cartoonists offended fundamentalists", and you know that it's ridiculous to claim that it was the cartoonists, rather than the terrorists who should have changed their behavior. You aren't "explaining the causes", you're shifting blame onto the victims and trying to hold them at fault. Perhaps you don't intend to, but you inadvertently have.

Wait, what? Do you...think they would've attacked if the cartoonists hadn't offended them?

No, but it's still victim-blaming.

[The Alma Mater]

Don't lie to me. You know full well that the cause isn't "some cartoonists offended fundamentalists", and you know that it's ridiculous to claim that it was the cartoonists, rather than the terrorists who should have changed their behavior. You aren't "explaining the causes", you're shifting blame onto the victims and trying to hold them at fault. Perhaps you don't intend to, but you inadvertently have.

Wait, what? Do you...think they would've attacked if the cartoonists hadn't offended them?

Probably, yes - since this group of people actively LOOKS for things to be offended about. A Youtube vide with 13views that says stuff about Muhammed they dislike ? RIOT ! An insignificant paper in Denmark posting a few cartoons ? RIOT AND THREATEN TO KILL. An insignificant rag in France posting cartoons ? SHOOT THEM UP. A girl calling her Teddybear Muhammed ? SLAUGHTER HER.

They are almost as bad as people using ALL CAPS all the time.

[The Alma Mater]

Good.

All religions are given too many safe spaces; is this blasphemy against islam? Perhaps.

However, I dont believe that any of the writers at Charlie Hebdo are Islamic and thus are not bound to follow islamic custom or law.

If one wants to criticize something, they should criticize it and not make what are essentially troll posts to provoke a reaction.

I don't care for Islam much at all, I'm a huge critic of Islam. But this is just stomping on something that's sacred to a ton of people, in order to upset them, just because one can.

That's not a constructive step towards anything.

So do you oppose the call to prayer muslims shout through speakers every friday, which explicitly states other religions are false ?
I mean, if I were to stand in front of a mosque with a megaphone proclaiming Allah to be a false God they probably would be upset with me...

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If one wants to criticize something, they should criticize it and not make what are essentially troll posts to provoke a reaction.

I don't care for Islam much at all, I'm a huge critic of Islam. But this is just stomping on something that's sacred to a ton of people, in order to upset them, just because one can.

That's not a constructive step towards anything.

So do you oppose the call to prayer muslims shout through speakers every friday, which explicitly states other religions are false ?
I mean, if I were to stand in front of a mosque with a megaphone proclaiming Allah to be a false God they probably would be upset with me...

Declaring all other gods to be false is not an uncommon attribute of religion. In Judaism and Christianity it's literally the first commandment.

[Washington Resistance Army]

So do you oppose the call to prayer muslims shout through speakers every friday, which explicitly states other religions are false ?
I mean, if I were to stand in front of a mosque with a megaphone proclaiming Allah to be a false God they probably would be upset with me...

Declaring all other gods to be false is not an uncommon attribute of religion. In Judaism and Christianity it's literally the first commandment.

Judaism explicitly recognizes and mentions other gods iirc, it just also says Jews shouldn't worship them.

[The Alma Mater]

So do you oppose the call to prayer muslims shout through speakers every friday, which explicitly states other religions are false ?
I mean, if I were to stand in front of a mosque with a megaphone proclaiming Allah to be a false God they probably would be upset with me...

Declaring all other gods to be false is not an uncommon attribute of religion. In Judaism and Christianity it's literally the first commandment.

True, but there is "writing it in your holy book" and "blasting it through speakers; forcing everyone to listen to it".

To wit: there is "placing an image of Mohammed in a magazine nobody has to open" and "dropping leaflets of Mohammed raping kids all over Mecca".

They are not the same.

[Thermodolia]

The reason for that is women may go through something between the event and her testimony that may cause memory loss: pregnancy, which men don’t usually go through. Here are some articles: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... _08thdFLeR

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... 9JIobVf_aD
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... 3DWQojRXCt

Many scholars contend that if there was nothing to ruin her memory, the second there to remind her is not needed.

Women on average perform better than men in all memory categories. You feel like Muhammad would have known this if he actually was a prophet.

Women are like elephants because they never forget, didn’t come from nowhere

[Thermodolia]

Because they can. Same reason they can make fun of Jesus, Buddha, and other religious figures.

They really shouldn’t, though.

They really should yes. Mainly because it’s funny

[Thermodolia]

Here's the thing I don't really get, Muslims say it's wrong to draw a picture of Mohammed, if that's true, how the hell does anyone know what Mohammed looks like in the first place to claim it's a drawing of him?
If someone took a stick and stood it up against the wall and said "It's a statue of Mohammed" that doesn't make it so, all Muslims have to say is that it's a "Fake Mohammed".

Hell doesn't the rule itself only applies to Muslims because Mohammed didn't want Muslims worshipping him, I think it's very clear that Charlie Hebbo isn't drawing pictures of Mohammed to worship, so unless Muslims start bowing down and praying to the cartoons no sin has been committed.

We still don’t want people portraying him. Many Muslims don’t even like their picture taken (though it’s a minority, mainly in rural areas of the Middle East and South/Southeast Asia). Especially cartoons that are meant to ridicule him. Out of respect, you know?

Why should I follow the rules of a religion I don’t even follow?

[The Alma Mater]

Charlie Hebdo: prints blatantly inflammatory cartoon
Radical Islamists: *kills Charlie Hebdo cartoonists for printing said cartoon*
Charlie Hebdo: prints it again

Can we just call them terrorists instead of Islamists. Islamists implies they are following Islamic principles.

They claim they do and surprisingly few muslims openly disagree.

Heck, if tens of thousands of muslims go out to riot on the street when some western rag they never heard of publishes some cartoons of Muhammed, it is pretty hard to maintain they do not represent a significant group.

[Great Mann]

Can we just call them terrorists instead of Islamists. Islamists implies they are following Islamic principles.

They claim they do and surprisingly few muslims openly disagree.

Heck, if tens of thousands of muslims go out to riot on the street when some western rag they never heard of publishes some cartoons of Muhammed, it is pretty hard to maintain they do not represent a significant group.

I’m pretty sure there’s this chart of statistics that display support of heinous things like wife beating, death for apostasy, death for homosexuals and so on among Muslim believers in terms of percentage of global population, and it’s really disturbing looking at the numbers. It’s an overlapping circle or something. I don’t admittedly want to try searching it up lest I ring an alarm in surveillance state HQ or something, but I do remember it to a degree.

[Insaanistan]

Did you... even read any of them. Please, tell me where it what I said says any of that.

Where do you wanna start? All women are apparently always pregnant so due to pregnancy brain their word is worth less than a man's? Women are incapable of taking care of themselves so they must rely on men? A good woman is obedient to her father/husband? Beating women is totally ok under the guise of "Being corrected/disciplined"?

Soooo...couple of things:
Read the part where it says “Most scholars agree women who didn’t experience something like that are then the only ones needed.” Also, it’s not he value of the word. The second woman was to be there in case the first forgot something or got something wrong.

You realize who Muhammad (pbuh)’s wife was right? Ya know, he rich merchant lady who proposed to him out of love of him, his handsomeness and his honesty? Considering the wife doesn’t have to share her money, she could easily use it for... oh, I don’t know... starting a business?

I mean, yeah. Obedience to your parents is kinda a good thing. And obedience of one’s husband isn’t in everything, essentially just in doing good deeds. Not literally doing whatever he wants.

Did you read the part where it says you can beat them anywhere but the face, it has to be light, and it can only be with a small toothbrush or some grass? Did I mention Muhammad (pbuh) himself never even did it?

[Insaanistan]

Statistics show most “Islamists” were young people who don’t aren’t very religious (hence why terrorists can make them believe the Qur’ân says what it does not so easily), and that more mosques and higher mosque attendance means less terrorists.

Where are these statistics?

Found them, though you’ll have to read to get there:

https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/w ... tions-isis

[Insaanistan]

Can we just call them terrorists instead of Islamists. Islamists implies they are following Islamic principles.

They claim they do and surprisingly few muslims openly disagree.

Heck, if tens of thousands of muslims go out to riot on the street when some western rag they never heard of publishes some cartoons of Muhammed, it is pretty hard to maintain they do not represent a significant group.

Firstly, statistically, almost all Muslims do not support terrorists. Secondly, most of those protesters are peaceful, but showing peaceful Muslims doesn’t up your ratings. No. You have to find the angriest one at the protests, leave out the context of what he said, and use it to make them all seem violent.

[Insaanistan]

Women on average perform better than men in all memory categories. You feel like Muhammad would have known this if he actually was a prophet.

Women are like elephants because they never forget, didn’t come from nowhere

So just frick science ‘cuz you don’t like Islam now?