[UPDATE] Charlie Hebdo targeted AGAIN

[Insaanistan]

Why? J-just why? How empty must your life be to make fun of an anti-slavery, anti-sexism, anti-racism and anti-militarism advocate?

Because they can. Same reason they can make fun of Jesus, Buddha, and other religious figures.

They really shouldn’t, though.

[Neuer Deutsches Reich]

Why? J-just why? How empty must your life be to make fun of an anti-slavery, anti-sexism, anti-racism and anti-militarism advocate?

Because they can. Same reason they can make fun of Jesus, Buddha, and other religious figures.

It’s called freedom of speech and opinion, just like I can say I hate you and everything about you. I can do that by right. I don’t thing he knows about it.


Hey pope memes are cool tho. Pope goes to japan and wears anime pope clothes
Everyone liked that

[SD_Film Artists]

Based, I can respect the bravery to do it again.

Exactly, it's saying 'They didn't win', we're still here, we're still free and publishing'.

[Kowani]

Based, I can respect the bravery to do it again.

Exactly, it's saying 'They didn't win', we're still here, we're still free and publishing'.

Far better than the US after 9/11...

[Loben III]

A warlord was a anti militarism advocate?

Not a warlord. While he did go to war, you’ll that for much of his life as commander, the wars were against the Makkans who persecuted his people through assassination attempts, murders, etc. Then you have the additional time he spent fighting people who betrayed his treaties, like Banu Qurayza. Also, here are his rules of war:


1. Do not kill any child, any woman, or any elder or sick person.
2. Do not practice treachery or mutilation.
3. Do not uproot or burn palms or cut down fruitful trees.
4. Do not slaughter a sheep or a cow or a camel, except for food.
5. If one fights his brother, [he must] avoid striking the face, for God created him in the image of Adam.
6. Do not kill the monks in monasteries, and do not kill those sitting in places of worship.
7. Do not destroy the villages and towns, do not spoil the cultivated fields and gardens, and do not slaughter the cattle.
8. Do not wish for an encounter with the enemy; pray to God to grant you security; but when you [are forced to] encounter them, exercise patience.
9. No one may punish with fire except the Lord of Fire.
10. Accustom yourselves to do good if people do good, and to not do wrong even if they commit evil.

riiiiighhht.

[Northern Davincia]

Because they can. Same reason they can make fun of Jesus, Buddha, and other religious figures.

They really shouldn’t, though.

Out of politeness, they should not. Legally-speaking, they should be able to.

[Asle Leopolka]

Because they can. Same reason they can make fun of Jesus, Buddha, and other religious figures.

They really shouldn’t, though.

I disagree. It shouldn’t be outlawed because you don’t like it.

[VlaRiSsiA]

While I consider Hebdo’s actions disrespectful, he really shouldn’t be persecuted for doing it. I believe in freedom of speech and religious freedom.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

While I consider Hebdo’s actions disrespectful, he really shouldn’t be persecuted for doing it. I believe in freedom of speech and religious freedom.

Charlie Hebdo is a mag, not a man.

[Insaanistan]

“And among God’s signs is this: He created for you mates from amongst yourselves (males […] for females and vice versa) that you might find tranquility and peace in them. And he has put love and kindness among you. Herein surely are signs for those who reflect.” (Qur’an, 30: 21)

“They (your wives) are your garment and you are a garment for them.” (Qur’an, 2: 187)

“Observe your duty to Allah in respect to the women, and treat them well.” (Part of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)’s Last Sermon)


Need more?

"And they (women) have rights similar to those (of men) over them in kindness, and men are a degree above them. (Qu'ran: 2:228)

" And call two witness from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not at hand, then a man and two women," (Qu'ran 2:282)

4:11 "Allah chargeth you concerning (the provision for) your children: to the male the equivalent of the portion of two females"

4:34 "Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them."

24:31" And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and be modest, and to display of their adornment only that which is apparent, and to draw their veils over their bosoms, and not to reveal their adornment save to their own husbands or fathers or husbands' fathers, or their sons or their husbands' sons, or their brothers or their brothers' sons or sisters' sons, or their women, or their slaves, or male attendants who lack vigour, or children who know naught of women's nakedness. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment."

So, couple things:
“Women have rights similar to those of men equitably, although men have a degree of responsibility above them. And God is Almighty and All-Wise.” 2:228

Check my other post for info on pregnancy brain.

This is because in Islam, as Nouman Ali Khan puts it, “Your money is hers. And her money... is hers.” That’s right. Also, women don’t pay dowries when they marry. They get paid dowries.

“Men are the caretakers of women, as men have been provisioned by God over women and tasked with supporting them financially. And righteous women are devoutly obedient and, when alone, protective of what God has entrusted them with [their husbands honor and wealth]. And if you sense ill-conduct from your women, advise them [first], [if they persist], do not share their beds, [but if they still persist] then discipline them gently [anywhere but the face, not hard enough to leave a mark, and with a toothbrush or some grass. So basically, you can tap your wife’s arm with some grass]. But if they change their ways, do not be unjust to them. Surely Allah is Most High, All-Great” (4:34)

Translation is off, but basically... you think women shouldn’t go around half naked... is oppressive...?

[VlaRiSsiA]

While I consider Hebdo’s actions disrespectful, he really shouldn’t be persecuted for doing it. I believe in freedom of speech and religious freedom.

Charlie Hebdo is a mag, not a man.

Oh, thanks for clarifying.
they really shouldn’t be persecuted for doing it

[Whitemore]

I don't even know how to respond to this. Obliviously Freedom of Speech is good but the last time this happened so many lives were taken, security needs to be boosted around Charlie Hebdo since he is republishing the cartoons again and also need to have Intelligence Agencies monitor online chat forums for possible attacks so they can be ready.

[The Lone Alliance]

Here's the thing I don't really get, Muslims say it's wrong to draw a picture of Mohammed, if that's true, how the hell does anyone know what Mohammed looks like in the first place to claim it's a drawing of him?
If someone took a stick and stood it up against the wall and said "It's a statue of Mohammed" that doesn't make it so, all Muslims have to say is that it's a "Fake Mohammed".

Hell doesn't the rule itself only applies to Muslims because Mohammed didn't want Muslims worshipping him, I think it's very clear that Charlie Hebbo isn't drawing pictures of Mohammed to worship, so unless Muslims start bowing down and praying to the cartoons no sin has been committed.

[Major-Tom]

It's ballsy, I respect their guts here. I just hope nothing bad comes out of it. It feels like the COVID era, for whatever reason, has seen dramatically lower incidents of terrorism perpetrated by radical Islamists, but I don't want to be proven wrong here.

Anyways, good for them, freedom of expression should be sacrosanct and shouldn't be met with threats of violence.

[Insaanistan]

I hate that when Muslims get angry over it, these things happen:

People tell Muslims to “learn to laugh at themselves”; people who would probably stab us for mentioning a war crime committed in the Middle East by a western country.

Regular Muslims who protest, obviously upset about the Prophet (pbuh) being insulted, are portrayed as violent rioters coming to destroy Western Civilization.

And...

“Muslims” send death threats to these people (which directly violates Islamic principles), and this just gives Islamophobes more stuff to use to make us seem the way they portray us.

[Major-Tom]

I hate that when Muslims get angry over it, these things happen:

People tell Muslims to “learn to laugh at themselves”; people who would probably stab us for mentioning a war crime committed in the Middle East by a western country.

Regular Muslims who protest, obviously upset about the Prophet (pbuh) being insulted, are portrayed as violent rioters coming to destroy Western Civilization.

And...

“Muslims” send death threats to these people (which directly violates Islamic principles), and this just gives Islamophobes more stuff to use to make us seem the way they portray us.

Everybody gets offended in life at something, y'know, I'm sorry you don't like it and I am more genuinely sorry about any Islamaphobia you might see. That said, this is satire being published by a magazine that probably deserves more than anyone to publish this sort of stuff.

So, I mean, just as I tell Christians to learn to laugh at themselves, I would say the same to you, as sort of callous as it sounds. Because if you're pissed off at small things like this all the time, you're just not going to have any fun.

[Kowani]

So, couple things:
“Women have rights similar to those of men equitably, although men have a degree of responsibility above them. And God is Almighty and All-Wise.” 2:228

Check my other post for info on pregnancy brain.

Laughs in science

This is because in Islam, as Nouman Ali Khan puts it, “Your money is hers. And her money... is hers.” That’s right.

That would be sexist against men.

Also, women don’t pay dowries when they marry. They get paid dowries.

Ah, yes, objectification.

“Men are the caretakers of women, as men have been provisioned by God over women and tasked with supporting them financially.

This is sexist against both men and women at once.

And righteous women are devoutly obedient and, when alone, protective of what God has entrusted them with [their husbands honor and wealth]. And if you sense ill-conduct from your women, advise them [first], [if they persist], do not share their beds, [but if they still persist] then discipline them gently [anywhere but the face, not hard enough to leave a mark, and with a toothbrush or some grass. So basically, you can tap your wife’s arm with some grass]. But if they change their ways, do not be unjust to them. Surely Allah is Most High, All-Great” (4:34)

"Beat them gently lol"
I see Al-Amin has new friends.

Translation is off, but basically... you think women shouldn’t go around half naked... is oppressive...?

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No. I think only having a verse for women on this is sexist. I think mandating it on pain of hell is oppressive.

Also, I like how you didn't address the other verses.

[Uiiop]

Here's the thing I don't really get, Muslims say it's wrong to draw a picture of Mohammed, if that's true, how the hell does anyone know what Mohammed looks like in the first place to claim it's a drawing of him?
If someone took a stick and stood it up against the wall and said "It's a statue of Mohammed" that doesn't make it so, all Muslims have to say is that it's a "Fake Mohammed".

Hell doesn't the rule itself only applies to Muslims because Mohammed didn't want Muslims worshipping him, I think it's very clear that Charlie Hebbo isn't drawing pictures of Mohammed to worship, so unless Muslims start bowing down and praying to the cartoons no sin has been committed.

Words written or oral don't count as images.
I mean that's literally the truth but it's silly when one thinks about it.

[Bear Stearns]

Based. Let's see if the religion of peace lives up to its name this time.

[Sao Nova Europa]

Freedom of speech includes the right to ridicule and mock religious figures. If Muslims do not like it, they can peacefully protest (freedom of expression and assembly) or pen cartoons of their own ridiculing and mocking Charlie Hebdo authors.

[Sundiata]

Good on them.

[Agarntrop]

I hate that when Muslims get angry over it, these things happen:

People tell Muslims to “learn to laugh at themselves”; people who would probably stab us for mentioning a war crime committed in the Middle East by a western country.

Regular Muslims who protest, obviously upset about the Prophet (pbuh) being insulted, are portrayed as violent rioters coming to destroy Western Civilization.

And...

“Muslims” send death threats to these people (which directly violates Islamic principles), and this just gives Islamophobes more stuff to use to make us seem the way they portray us.

Charlie hebdo is a left-wing anarchist anti-racist magazine, though

It is not nationalist nor does it try and defame muslims and immigrants, quite the opposite

[New haven america]

Why? J-just why? How empty must your life be to make fun of an anti-slavery, anti-sexism, anti-racism and anti-militarism advocate?

Mohammed was literally the opposite of all of those things though.

In fact, he was a slave owning warlord who was married to multiple women, 1 of which was a child, and whose followers viewed non-Muslims as lesser.

Also, people make fun of Jesus all the time, and he's exactly what you just described.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

"And they (women) have rights similar to those (of men) over them in kindness, and men are a degree above them. (Qu'ran: 2:228)

" And call two witness from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not at hand, then a man and two women," (Qu'ran 2:282)

4:11 "Allah chargeth you concerning (the provision for) your children: to the male the equivalent of the portion of two females"

4:34 "Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them."

24:31" And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and be modest, and to display of their adornment only that which is apparent, and to draw their veils over their bosoms, and not to reveal their adornment save to their own husbands or fathers or husbands' fathers, or their sons or their husbands' sons, or their brothers or their brothers' sons or sisters' sons, or their women, or their slaves, or male attendants who lack vigour, or children who know naught of women's nakedness. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment."

So, couple things:
“Women have rights similar to those of men equitably, although men have a degree of responsibility above them. And God is Almighty and All-Wise.” 2:228

Check my other post for info on pregnancy brain.

This is because in Islam, as Nouman Ali Khan puts it, “Your money is hers. And her money... is hers.” That’s right. Also, women don’t pay dowries when they marry. They get paid dowries.

“Men are the caretakers of women, as men have been provisioned by God over women and tasked with supporting them financially. And righteous women are devoutly obedient and, when alone, protective of what God has entrusted them with [their husbands honor and wealth]. And if you sense ill-conduct from your women, advise them [first], [if they persist], do not share their beds, [but if they still persist] then discipline them gently [anywhere but the face, not hard enough to leave a mark, and with a toothbrush or some grass. So basically, you can tap your wife’s arm with some grass]. But if they change their ways, do not be unjust to them. Surely Allah is Most High, All-Great” (4:34)

Translation is off, but basically... you think women shouldn’t go around half naked... is oppressive...?

Not only is it really not an issue if women go topless, but i would actively encourage it, if not outright mandate it.

[Agarntrop]

Freedom of speech includes the right to ridicule and mock religious figures. If Muslims do not like it, they can peacefully protest (freedom of expression and assembly) or pen cartoons of their own ridiculing and mocking Charlie Hebdo authors.

Ditto'd