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Opinion On Same-Sex Marriage

Legal
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79%
Illegal
32
16%
Abstain/ Unsure
12
6%
 
Total votes : 206

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:14 pm

State of Turelisa wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:Not only is God gay, he is an extreme perv about it.

And that's why Gay sex needs to be stopped. It distracts God from his normal duties of stopping earthquakes, and randomly curing cancer.


This would have been religious libel once. You must be so glad to be living in a free society where you may freely blaspheme without penalty of having your tongue cut out and your ears cropped or at the least being fined.

Here's a question for you. If being gay is intently wrong according to the Bible and its not a choice as psychologists have proven and we are all made in God's image why would God create someone who is condemned from the moment they are born? Im a religious person too.

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Postby Necroghastia » Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:14 pm

State of Turelisa wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:Not only is God gay, he is an extreme perv about it.

And that's why Gay sex needs to be stopped. It distracts God from his normal duties of stopping earthquakes, and randomly curing cancer.


This would have been religious libel once. You must be so glad to be living in a free society where you may freely blaspheme without penalty of having your tongue cut out and your ears cropped or at the least being fined.

Yeah, y'see, any god that encourages that sort of thing isn't the kind of dude that deserves worship, and CERTAINLY not being enshrined into law. Like, live a little, my guy.
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Postby Cordel One » Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:15 pm

State of Turelisa wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:Not only is God gay, he is an extreme perv about it.

And that's why Gay sex needs to be stopped. It distracts God from his normal duties of stopping earthquakes, and randomly curing cancer.


This would have been religious libel once. You must be so glad to be living in a free society where you may freely blaspheme without penalty of having your tongue cut out and your ears cropped or at the least being fined.

That's a big reason why most people would not want to live in places like that.


If God is as terrible as you claim and the Bible is from his perspective, maybe Satan is actually really cool.
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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:15 pm

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State of Turelisa wrote:
This would have been religious libel once. You must be so glad to be living in a free society where you may freely blaspheme without penalty of having your tongue cut out and your ears cropped or at the least being fined.

And you wonder why people get turned off of religion?

It's because of people like you.


"People only hate religion because religion exists"

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Postby Neanderthaland » Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:18 pm

Telconi wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:And you wonder why people get turned off of religion?

It's because of people like you.


"People only hate religion because religion exists"

:roll:

Suggesting that someone's tongue be cut out isn't the same thing as just existing. And deep down I think you know that.
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The New California Republic
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:19 pm

State of Turelisa wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:Not only is God gay, he is an extreme perv about it.

And that's why Gay sex needs to be stopped. It distracts God from his normal duties of stopping earthquakes, and randomly curing cancer.


This would have been religious libel once. You must be so glad to be living in a free society where you may freely blaspheme without penalty of having your tongue cut out and your ears cropped or at the least being fined.

Better than the hellhole that you want, which clearly involves mutilation as punishment.

State of Turelisa wrote:The prostrate's spasm under sexual stimulation from a foreign object isn't its purpose. It's clearly unnatural and dangerous, given the consequences - periprostatic hemorrhage, epticaemia, possible disturbance and metastasis of prostate cancer to other parts of the body, aggravation of hemorrhoids and rectal fissures.

Copy-pasted from Wikipedia. Shame you missed out part of the text that clarified what it was referring to.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:21 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
State of Turelisa wrote:
This would have been religious libel once. You must be so glad to be living in a free society where you may freely blaspheme without penalty of having your tongue cut out and your ears cropped or at the least being fined.

Better than the hellhole that you want, which clearly involves mutilation as punishment.


But what if those people said mean things about God, and therefore deserve such punishments?
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Postby Necroghastia » Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:22 pm

Telconi wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Better than the hellhole that you want, which clearly involves mutilation as punishment.


But what if those people said mean things about God, and therefore deserve such punishments?

I want to say you're obviously being facetious, but then again, you're the same person that routinely suggests literal acts of terrorism against people who vote Democrat, so...
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Postby Cordel One » Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:24 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
State of Turelisa wrote:
This would have been religious libel once. You must be so glad to be living in a free society where you may freely blaspheme without penalty of having your tongue cut out and your ears cropped or at the least being fined.

I am. Blasphemy is a victimless crime.

I throw a pie in the face of piety
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Postby Telconi » Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:29 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
Telconi wrote:
But what if those people said mean things about God, and therefore deserve such punishments?

I want to say you're obviously being facetious, but then again, you're the same person that routinely suggests literal acts of terrorism against people who vote Democrat, so...


"Terrorism"
I want to say you're obviously being facetious...
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Postby State of Turelisa » Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:43 pm

San Lumen wrote:Here's a question for you. If being gay is intently wrong according to the Bible and its not a choice as psychologists have proven and we are all made in God's image why would God create someone who is condemned from the moment they are born? I'm a religious person too.


Homosexuality has not been proven to be 'not a choice ', not by psychology nor by biology.
It has no objective existence. It's a subjective disorder. There's no gene which influences homosexuality.
God didn't create homosexuality, and He wouldn't condemn his children to the degradation of it, since He is a just and loving God.
I can't imagine a religion which endorses homosexuality, by which I mean carnal love between two men as that between a man and woman. However, there are some Anglicans and Quakers who accept marriages between homoromantic asexual men and women.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:47 pm

State of Turelisa wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Here's a question for you. If being gay is intently wrong according to the Bible and its not a choice as psychologists have proven and we are all made in God's image why would God create someone who is condemned from the moment they are born? I'm a religious person too.


Homosexuality has not been proven to be 'not a choice ', not by psychology nor by biology.

Go ahead and choose it then. Since it's so easy.
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Ethel mermania
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:49 pm

State of Turelisa wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Here's a question for you. If being gay is intently wrong according to the Bible and its not a choice as psychologists have proven and we are all made in God's image why would God create someone who is condemned from the moment they are born? I'm a religious person too.


Homosexuality has not been proven to be 'not a choice ', not by psychology nor by biology.
It has no objective existence. It's a subjective disorder. There's no gene which influences homosexuality.
God didn't create homosexuality, and He wouldn't condemn his children to the degradation of it, since He is a just and loving God.

If God is the prime mover, why would he create a mechanism that allows the desire for one to want to marry someone of the same sex before gods eyes, if that was a sin?
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:50 pm

State of Turelisa wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:Okay but WHY just a man and a woman? What's the reason for it?


The male and female genitals are naturally compatible. Man and woman are designed for coitus. A certain part of the human anatomy, including the mouth, isn't. Male sperm carries the seed of human life to the egg inside the woman by sexual intercourse between man and woman as intended, and male ejaculation is intended to result in the creation of life, not spilled in vain during masturbation or any other sexual act which isn't coitus.

Actually I’m pretty sure that the whole “spilled seed” thing refers to the pull out method and not beating it
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Postby Novus America » Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:50 pm

State of Turelisa wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:Not only is God gay, he is an extreme perv about it.

And that's why Gay sex needs to be stopped. It distracts God from his normal duties of stopping earthquakes, and randomly curing cancer.


This would have been religious libel once. You must be so glad to be living in a free society where you may freely blaspheme without penalty of having your tongue cut out and your ears cropped or at the least being fined.


I mean I am more socially conservative than most on this thread probably, but umm yes?
I am in fact quite glad the government or tribe does not brutally mutilate me for disagreeing on religion.
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Postby State of Turelisa » Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:51 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
State of Turelisa wrote:
Homosexuality has not been proven to be 'not a choice ', not by psychology nor by biology.
It has no objective existence. It's a subjective disorder. There's no gene which influences homosexuality.
God didn't create homosexuality, and He wouldn't condemn his children to the degradation of it, since He is a just and loving God.

If God is the prime mover, why would he create a mechanism that allows the desire for one to want to marry someone of the same sex before gods eyes, if that was a sin?


But what is this mechanism which you speak of? Arousal? Is there really no freedom of will between arousal, ideation and sexual act?
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:54 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:And you wonder why people get turned off of religion?

It's because of people like you.


Hey now, us pagans are chill. It's the Abrahamic sorts that are all nasty about the topic :p

I mean how can you not. Half of Greek mythology is Zeus fucking something
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Postby State of Turelisa » Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:54 pm

Novus America wrote:
State of Turelisa wrote:
This would have been religious libel once. You must be so glad to be living in a free society where you may freely blaspheme without penalty of having your tongue cut out and your ears cropped or at the least being fined.


I mean I am more socially conservative than most on this thread probably, but umm yes?
I am in fact quite glad the government or tribe does not brutally mutilate me for disagreeing on religion.


So am I. But I'm not glad that religious libel is no longer an offence which may be punished by a fine.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:56 pm

State of Turelisa wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Here's a question for you. If being gay is intently wrong according to the Bible and its not a choice as psychologists have proven and we are all made in God's image why would God create someone who is condemned from the moment they are born? I'm a religious person too.


Homosexuality has not been proven to be 'not a choice ', not by psychology nor by biology.
It has no objective existence. It's a subjective disorder. There's no gene which influences homosexuality.
God didn't create homosexuality, and He wouldn't condemn his children to the degradation of it, since He is a just and loving God.
I can't imagine a religion which endorses homosexuality, by which I mean carnal love between two men as that between a man and woman. However, there are some Anglicans and Quakers who accept marriages between homoromantic asexual men and women.

Why does it exist in nature?

Are you claiming you know more than those who have studied psychology?
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Postby Necroghastia » Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:57 pm

State of Turelisa wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Here's a question for you. If being gay is intently wrong according to the Bible and its not a choice as psychologists have proven and we are all made in God's image why would God create someone who is condemned from the moment they are born? I'm a religious person too.


Homosexuality has not been proven to be 'not a choice ', not by psychology nor by biology.

So can you personally choose to be attracted to people of the same gender?
It has no objective existence. It's a subjective disorder.

I think you don't quite understand the meaning of at least four of those words.
God didn't create homosexuality, and He wouldn't condemn his children to the degradation of it,

Being gay isn't degrading my guy.
since He is a just and loving God.

A just and loving god would not be anti-gay, nor would they approve of those blasphemy laws you touted a few posts ago.
I can't imagine a religion which endorses homosexuality, by which I mean carnal love between two men as that between a man and woman. However, there are some Anglicans and Quakers who accept marriages between homoromantic asexual men and women.

Why not? What's hard to imagine about it?
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Postby State of Turelisa » Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:58 pm

San Lumen wrote:
State of Turelisa wrote:
Homosexuality has not been proven to be 'not a choice ', not by psychology nor by biology.
It has no objective existence. It's a subjective disorder. There's no gene which influences homosexuality.
God didn't create homosexuality, and He wouldn't condemn his children to the degradation of it, since He is a just and loving God.
I can't imagine a religion which endorses homosexuality, by which I mean carnal love between two men as that between a man and woman. However, there are some Anglicans and Quakers who accept marriages between homoromantic asexual men and women.

Why then does it exist in nature?


I mean it arises from a subjective disorder of the mind. It is true in the case of an insect, an animal, or a human.
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Postby Necroghastia » Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:59 pm

State of Turelisa wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:If God is the prime mover, why would he create a mechanism that allows the desire for one to want to marry someone of the same sex before gods eyes, if that was a sin?


But what is this mechanism which you speak of? Arousal? Is there really no freedom of will between arousal, ideation and sexual act?

bruh you do realize there's more to most relationships than getting it on right?
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:59 pm

State of Turelisa wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:If God is the prime mover, why would he create a mechanism that allows the desire for one to want to marry someone of the same sex before gods eyes, if that was a sin?


But what is this mechanism which you speak of? Arousal? Is there really no freedom of will between arousal, ideation and sexual act?

well no, we are not talking about lewd and livcious gays of the bath house era. Sexual arousal is only a part of it..

This is two people trying to make a lifelong commitment to each other before their God and community in an act of blessed sacrament. In a time of declining religious investment by the masses why in gods name would you want to discourage that behavior?
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Postby Katganistan » Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:00 pm

Punished UMN wrote:
Katganistan wrote:Funny, here's the actual definition of Christian. But hey, no true scotsman fallacy, everybody drink!

Are Muslims Christian? This goes for Purpelia as well.


They are not, although they do revere some of the same figures of Judaism and Christianity, including Mary and Jesus.... however, to answer your question, they do NOT accept Jesus as the Lord and Savior but as a prophet.

Since they do not accept Jesus as the Savior, then clearly they are not Christian.

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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:01 pm

State of Turelisa wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Here's a question for you. If being gay is intently wrong according to the Bible and its not a choice as psychologists have proven and we are all made in God's image why would God create someone who is condemned from the moment they are born? I'm a religious person too.


Homosexuality has not been proven to be 'not a choice ', not by psychology nor by biology.

It actually has been proven to be not a choice just like how autism isn’t a choice.
It has no objective existence. It's a subjective disorder. There's no gene which influences homosexuality.

It doesn’t exist. And you don’t really need one gene for sexuality to become a thing. Sexuality is controlled by several genes and environmental factors in the womb. It’s not a choice
God didn't create homosexuality, and He wouldn't condemn his children to the degradation of it, since He is a just and loving God.

If god didn’t creat homosexuality then why does it exist? god is supposed to be all powerful yes? If he hasn’t created homosexuality then he’s not all powerful.

I can't imagine a religion which endorses homosexuality, by which I mean carnal love between two men as that between a man and woman. However, there are some Anglicans and Quakers who accept marriages between homoromantic asexual men and women.

Actually several religions think gays are cool. Like Reform Judaism, Several Mainstream Protestant religions, Wicans, and pagan religions.
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