Opinion On Same-Sex Marriage

[Necroghastia]

The literal passage from the Catechism says as follows;

Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.... The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial....These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition

That was pulled from the Vatican's official website. Not only are homosexula acts considered a grave depravity, but the very inclination towards them is also considered to be, as I said, "disordered." And to top it off, it concludes by calling homosexuality a "condition" as though it is some kind of plague, or medical ailment.

The throw away line about accepting homosexuals with love and sensitivity does not change the fact that the Church fundamentally views us as disordered, and our acts of love as depraved.

Please tell me how I have misread that passage.

Depraved, yes. Disordered, yes.

It's not your personhood that's being referred to. The order that the catechism is referring to is divine law. Anything which violates natural law which stems from divine law is depraved and disordered in that sense. However, to have homosexual feelings and inclinations is not sinful but still disordered. However, sinful actions are certainly depraved, certainly disordered.

why though?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

The fact that the rest of the learned world has determined by force of law that homosexuals doesn't in fact belong in mental asylums and the Catholic Church still hasn't come to the same conclusion is enough to argue that the Catholic Church as an institution is obsolete.

[Jedi Council]

The literal passage from the Catechism says as follows;

Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.... The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial....These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition

That was pulled from the Vatican's official website. Not only are homosexula acts considered a grave depravity, but the very inclination towards them is also considered to be, as I said, "disordered." And to top it off, it concludes by calling homosexuality a "condition" as though it is some kind of plague, or medical ailment.

The throw away line about accepting homosexuals with love and sensitivity does not change the fact that the Church fundamentally views us as disordered, and our acts of love as depraved.

Please tell me how I have misread that passage.

Depraved, yes. Disordered, yes.

It's not your personhood that's being referred to. The order that the catechism is referring to is divine law. Anything which violates natural law which stems from divine law is depraved and disordered in that sense. However, to have homosexual feelings and inclinations is not sinful but still disordered. However, sinful actions are certainly depraved, certainly disordered.

You are not a depraved person, you are not a disordered person. You are not sinful. However, your condition (not your sexual orientation) can be. For example, if I were to look at a woman in lust my condition is also sinful. As a result, I'd also have to go to confession to perform the sacrament of reconciliation to seek God's love. We should be confessing our sins to the person of Christ as often as we can. If possible, we should seek his love without ceasing.

Gay marriage is not sacramental, but neither is looking at a woman with lust, or for example, using her for her body.

If that word salad is the best excuse you have then I am afraid it's not enough. I don't give a hoot about "divine law" or whatever mythic nonsense people want to follow. But the fact of the matter is that that passage of the Catechism directly states that the inclination to homosexual acts, I.e. being a homosexual, is disordered.

No amount of spin or semantics will save you from that fact.

Combining that with the incredible amount of suffering the Church inflicted upon homosexuals for hundreds of years, some of which is still ongoing, we arrive at the conclusion that the Church is no friend of mine.

And we havent even begun to talk about the genocide, the child abuse, or the multitude of other crimes that it has committed over the centuries.

[Sundiata]

Depraved, yes. Disordered, yes.

It's not your personhood that's being referred to. The order that the catechism is referring to is divine law. Anything which violates natural law which stems from divine law is depraved and disordered in that sense. However, to have homosexual feelings and inclinations is not sinful but still disordered. However, sinful actions are certainly depraved, certainly disordered.

why though?

Because God gets it. He's perfect, and while we were made in his perfect image, we are not perfect because we are born into this world infected by sin. As a result, some people experience homosexual temptation and there's nothing innately wrong with them for it.

[Necroghastia]

why though?

Because God gets it. He's perfect, and while we were made in his perfect image, we are not perfect because we are born into this world infected by sin. As a result, some people experience homosexual temptation and there's nothing innately wrong with them for it.

If he's perfect, why are all these arbitrary things that harm absolutely no one wrong in his eyes?

[Heloin]

Because God gets it. He's perfect, and while we were made in his perfect image, we are not perfect because we are born into this world infected by sin. As a result, some people experience homosexual temptation and there's nothing innately wrong with them for it.

If he's perfect, why are all these arbitrary things that harm absolutely no one wrong in his eyes?

We're made in God's image and people can be differing sexualities therefor God is totally bi. God approves of same-sex marriage yo.

[Crockerland]

Gay marriage is not sacramental, but neither is looking at a woman with lust, or for example, using her for her body.

If you're going to make comparisons like this, you should stop lying about not condoning homophobia.

why though?

Because God gets it. He's perfect, and while we were made in his perfect image, we are not perfect because we are born into this world infected by sin. As a result, some people experience homosexual temptation and there's nothing innately wrong with them for it.

One should never underestimate a person's ability to convince themselves that God is telling them to commit atrocities, and that makes whatever they do okay. The same logic that allows Islamic terrorists to get into trucks and drive over as many innocent civilians as possible. You really don't have to treat anyone with basic human decency as long as you can make yourself think God is responsible for your reprehensible beliefs and/or actions.

[Sundiata]

If you're going to make comparisons like this, you should stop lying about not condoning homophobia.

There is nothing wrong with homosexuals, or rather, people who experience same-sex attraction.

[Jedi Council]

If you're going to make comparisons like this, you should stop lying about not condoning homophobia.

There is nothing wrong with homosexuals, or rather, people who experience same-sex attraction.

But there is something wrong with people who act on this attraction, which is basically saying your fine to be a homosexual, just dont do homosexual things.

That's a ludicrous position.

[Heloin]

If you're going to make comparisons like this, you should stop lying about not condoning homophobia.

There is nothing wrong with homosexuals, or rather, people who experience same-sex attraction.

When you keep calling homosexuality a sin that makes it pretty clear your condoning homophobia.

[Sundiata]

There is nothing wrong with homosexuals, or rather, people who experience same-sex attraction.

When you keep calling homosexuality a sin that makes it pretty clear your condoning homophobia.

Again, homosexuality is not a sin.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

There is nothing wrong with homosexuals, or rather, people who experience same-sex attraction.

When you keep calling homosexuality a sin that makes it pretty clear your condoning homophobia.

Christians in general seems to have a really hard time seeing that the alleged dichotomy between hating the sin and hating the sinner is nonsense.

[Lamoni]

Considering that refusal to recognize legal SSM is homophobic (ie the person is repulsed by homosexuals) yes, it does. Either that or you comment that homophobia means fear has nothing to do with marriage either.

I guess we're all pedophobic now...

That comes very close to violating the new PG-13 rules. Knock it off.

[Necroghastia]

When you keep calling homosexuality a sin that makes it pretty clear your condoning homophobia.

Again, homosexuality is not a sin.

And "hate the sin, love the sinner" is nonsense.
Again, I ask you: why would a perfect being care about what kind of sex you're having?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Again, homosexuality is not a sin.

And "hate the sin, love the sinner" is nonsense.
Again, I ask you: why would a perfect being care about what kind of sex you're having?

Adhering to a Bronze Age religion, created in a time where imminent extinction of your genes if you did not procreate was a real threat seems to be biting us in the arse in the 21st century really hard now doesn't it?

[Crockerland]

If you're going to make comparisons like this, you should stop lying about not condoning homophobia.

There is nothing wrong with homosexuals.

Someone who thinks there is nothing wrong with homosexuals would not falsely equate a gay relationship with wanting to use random women for sexual gratification.

And also, who do you think you're fooling with this?

Depraved, yes. Disordered, yes.

Homosexual acts aren't anymore sinful than masturbation or heterosexual intercourse outside of marriage. Deeds are sinful because they violate natural law (theological sense), which in turn is an affront to divine law.

No one is convinced. No one has been deceived. It's almost a comical level of denial, like a murderer presented with a photograph of him murdering someone in court simply saying "this photograph is blank." Are you under the impression that anyone would buy this act after you've said shit like this? What a joke!

[Sundiata]

There is nothing wrong with homosexuals, or rather, people who experience same-sex attraction.

But there is something wrong with people who act on this attraction, which is basically saying your fine to be a homosexual, just dont do homosexual things.

That's a ludicrous position.

While I don't think it's ludicrous, I do think it's a difficult cross to for anyone to carry, including the prospect of same-sex marriage, especially when desiring a loving relationship. Still, all struggles are surmountable in Christ.

Some comforting words from St. Josemaria:

[Jedi Council]

But there is something wrong with people who act on this attraction, which is basically saying your fine to be a homosexual, just dont do homosexual things.

That's a ludicrous position.

While I don't think it's ludicrous, I do think it's a difficult cross to for anyone to carry, including the prospect of same-sex marriage, especially when desiring a loving relationship. Still, all struggles are surmountable in Christ.

Some comforting words from St. Josemaria:

Maybe Christ should mind his own business and let people fuck who they want?

[Sundiata]

While I don't think it's ludicrous, I do think it's a difficult cross to for anyone to carry, including the prospect of same-sex marriage, especially when desiring a loving relationship. Still, all struggles are surmountable in Christ.

Some comforting words from St. Josemaria:

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Maybe Christ should mind his own business and let people fuck who they want?

St. Josemaria, the founder of Opus Dei, would often say this, "I am asked for very little compared to how much I am being given."

With respect to same-sex marriage, freedom is not having the means to act according to one's every desire. It is rather, the means to act independently of one's every desire.

[Heloin]

With respect to same-sex marriage, freedom is not having the means to act according to one's every desire. It is rather, the means to act independently of their influence.

In the holiest way I can put it, fuck that shite.

[Necroghastia]

Maybe Christ should mind his own business and let people fuck who they want?

St. Josemaria, the founder of Opus Dei, would often say this, "I am asked for very little compared to how much I am being given."

With respect to same-sex marriage, freedom is not having the means to act according to one's every desire. It is rather, the means to act independently of one's every desire.

Still waiting for an actual response to the question of why it matters...

[Telconi]

While I don't think it's ludicrous, I do think it's a difficult cross to for anyone to carry, including the prospect of same-sex marriage, especially when desiring a loving relationship. Still, all struggles are surmountable in Christ.

Some comforting words from St. Josemaria:

Maybe Christ should mind his own business and let people fuck who they want?

I don't think Jesus Christ votes in any elections.

[Sundiata]

With respect to same-sex marriage, freedom is not having the means to act according to one's every desire. It is rather, the means to act independently of their influence.

In the holiest way I can put it, fuck that shite.

St. Josemaria would just tell us all to to keep trying. Same-sex marriage is not an easy conversation.

[North American Imperial State]

While I don't think it's ludicrous, I do think it's a difficult cross to for anyone to carry, including the prospect of same-sex marriage, especially when desiring a loving relationship. Still, all struggles are surmountable in Christ.

Some comforting words from St. Josemaria:

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Maybe Christ should mind his own business and let people fuck who they want?

Amen to that _{(pun intended)}
But in all seriousness both religion and politics should keep out of everyones love life.

[Sundiata]

St. Josemaria, the founder of Opus Dei, would often say this, "I am asked for very little compared to how much I am being given."

With respect to same-sex marriage, freedom is not having the means to act according to one's every desire. It is rather, the means to act independently of one's every desire.

Still waiting for an actual response to the question of why it matters...

In short: it leads the soul astray.