Opinion On Same-Sex Marriage

[New haven america]

1. That's not why gay marriage is fine, but ok.
2. Not if they're done consentingly and ethically, no.

Ethically includes effects on social cohesion.

And the sex life of consenting adults you don't know nor will never meet have no affect on society or you, so why do you care?

Also, didn't you quit? Death by mod specifically.

[Punished UMN]

Ethically includes effects on social cohesion.

And the sex life of 2 consenting adults you don't know nor will never meet have no affect on society or you, so why do you care?

Also, didn't you quit? Death by mod specifically.

I pop up occasionally, I may or may not be addicted and need my nationstates fix.

Actually, believe it or not, marriage and partnerships do have an effect on society, because every social activity we do takes part of the social construction of society.

[Cekoviu]

And the sex life of 2 consenting adults you don't know nor will never meet have no affect on society or you, so why do you care?

Also, didn't you quit? Death by mod specifically.

I pop up occasionally, I may or may not be addicted and need my nationstates fix.

Actually, believe it or not, marriage and partnerships do have an effect on society, because every social activity we do takes part of the social construction of society.

and marriage and partnerships have actually pretty serious effex as a very important keystone in the perpetuation and proliferation of society and its norms!

[Punished UMN]

I pop up occasionally, I may or may not be addicted and need my nationstates fix.

Actually, believe it or not, marriage and partnerships do have an effect on society, because every social activity we do takes part of the social construction of society.

and marriage and partnerships have actually pretty serious effex as a very important keystone in the perpetuation and proliferation of society and its norms!

This too.

[Jedi Council]

Sure it is.

relationships don't happen in a vacuum. gay marriage is ok not just because it's between two consenting adults, but because its effects on wider society aren't negative, and that has to be acknowledged as well. things like bdsm and pornography might be between consenting individuals, but are still overall harmful.

How are BDSM or pornography harmful, provided the participants are consenting adults?

[San Lumen]

relationships don't happen in a vacuum. gay marriage is ok not just because it's between two consenting adults, but because its effects on wider society aren't negative, and that has to be acknowledged as well. things like bdsm and pornography might be between consenting individuals, but are still overall harmful.

How are BDSM or pornography harmful, provided the participants are consenting adults?

I don’t see how it is as no children are involved and everything is consensual. If it offends you don’t watch it.

[Jedi Council]

How are BDSM or pornography harmful, provided the participants are consenting adults?

I don’t see how it is as no children are involved and everything is consensual. If it offends you don’t watch it.

I mean, regarding pornography specifically, I do understand some people can indeed become addicted to it, which is detrimental to both them and by extension society, but the same can be said for almost anything. The problem is not porn, it's about using it in a healthy, moderate way.

[Sundiata]

It's a balance, it's wrong to condemn homosexuals for their sexual feelings.

Just for acting on them. Which is a ludicrous position, given that the act is not impacting anyone but two consenting adults.

Saying this is, essentially, like someone telling you that yes you can be Catholic, but not participate in anything that defines one as Catholic, like the Sacraments.

I'm sure you would find that argument nonsensical and oppressive.

Homosexual acts aren't wrong on the basis of them directly hurting people in a directly observable sense. In fact, someone who engages or has engaged in homosexual acts is still loved by God as much as someone who doesn't.

Homosexual acts aren't anymore sinful than masturbation or heterosexual intercourse outside of marriage. Deeds are sinful because they violate natural law (theological sense), which in turn is an affront to divine law. I know it's a tough teaching, I know it's not easy to adhere to. Regardless, you are loved and have the opportunity of a lifetime. There is a design.

God love you.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I can't wait until we get to the point of "debating" whether or not masturbation causes immediate total blindness.

[Jedi Council]

Just for acting on them. Which is a ludicrous position, given that the act is not impacting anyone but two consenting adults.

Saying this is, essentially, like someone telling you that yes you can be Catholic, but not participate in anything that defines one as Catholic, like the Sacraments.

I'm sure you would find that argument nonsensical and oppressive.

Homosexual acts aren't wrong on the basis of them directly hurting people in a directly observable sense. In fact, someone who engages or has engaged in homosexual acts is still loved by God as much as someone who doesn't.

Homosexual acts aren't anymore sinful than masturbation or heterosexual intercourse outside of marriage. Deeds are sinful because they violate natural law (theological sense), which in turn is an affront to divine law. I know it's a tough teaching, I know it's not easy to adhere to. Regardless, you are loved and have the opportunity of a lifetime. There is a design.

God love you.

What a load of rubbish.

Sex, of any kind, is not inherently sinful.

Also, it may fly among Catholics, but to repeat ad nauseam that God loves you does come off as a little creepy and possessive on his part, very much like his supposed omniscience. I dont want his love nor do I need his love, so if he is offering it to me he can take a hike.

[Sundiata]

I can't wait until we get to the point of "debating" whether or not masturbation causes immediate total blindness.

[Farnhamia]

I can't wait until we get to the point of "debating" whether or not masturbation causes immediate total blindness.

Maybe that's why I keep having to upgrade my prescription.

[New haven america]

Just for acting on them. Which is a ludicrous position, given that the act is not impacting anyone but two consenting adults.

Saying this is, essentially, like someone telling you that yes you can be Catholic, but not participate in anything that defines one as Catholic, like the Sacraments.

I'm sure you would find that argument nonsensical and oppressive.

Homosexual acts aren't wrong on the basis of them directly hurting people in a directly observable sense. In fact, someone who engages or has engaged in homosexual acts is still loved by God as much as someone who doesn't.

Homosexual acts aren't anymore sinful than masturbation or heterosexual intercourse outside of marriage. Deeds are sinful because they violate natural law (theological sense), which in turn is an affront to divine law. I know it's a tough teaching, I know it's not easy to adhere to. Regardless, you are loved and have the opportunity of a lifetime. There is a design.

God love you.

Masturbation, sex outside of marriage, and homosexuality are all natural.

I feel like this fits here rather nicely.

[San Lumen]

Just for acting on them. Which is a ludicrous position, given that the act is not impacting anyone but two consenting adults.

Saying this is, essentially, like someone telling you that yes you can be Catholic, but not participate in anything that defines one as Catholic, like the Sacraments.

I'm sure you would find that argument nonsensical and oppressive.

Homosexual acts aren't wrong on the basis of them directly hurting people in a directly observable sense. In fact, someone who engages or has engaged in homosexual acts is still loved by God as much as someone who doesn't.

Homosexual acts aren't anymore sinful than masturbation or heterosexual intercourse outside of marriage. Deeds are sinful because they violate natural law (theological sense), which in turn is an affront to divine law. I know it's a tough teaching, I know it's not easy to adhere to. Regardless, you are loved and have the opportunity of a lifetime. There is a design.

God love you.

There is nothing sinful about consensual relations between people of the same sex. If same sex relations are sinful why does it exist in nature?

[Telconi]

Homosexual acts aren't wrong on the basis of them directly hurting people in a directly observable sense. In fact, someone who engages or has engaged in homosexual acts is still loved by God as much as someone who doesn't.

Homosexual acts aren't anymore sinful than masturbation or heterosexual intercourse outside of marriage. Deeds are sinful because they violate natural law (theological sense), which in turn is an affront to divine law. I know it's a tough teaching, I know it's not easy to adhere to. Regardless, you are loved and have the opportunity of a lifetime. There is a design.

God love you.

There is nothing sinful about consensual relations between people of the same sex. If same sex relations are sinful why does it exist in nature?

Killing exists in nature, and rapes, and thefts... Do you believe these actions are morally acceptable?

[Geneviev]

Just for acting on them. Which is a ludicrous position, given that the act is not impacting anyone but two consenting adults.

Saying this is, essentially, like someone telling you that yes you can be Catholic, but not participate in anything that defines one as Catholic, like the Sacraments.

I'm sure you would find that argument nonsensical and oppressive.

Homosexual acts aren't wrong on the basis of them directly hurting people in a directly observable sense. In fact, someone who engages or has engaged in homosexual acts is still loved by God as much as someone who doesn't.

Homosexual acts aren't anymore sinful than masturbation or heterosexual intercourse outside of marriage. Deeds are sinful because they violate natural law (theological sense), which in turn is an affront to divine law. I know it's a tough teaching, I know it's not easy to adhere to. Regardless, you are loved and have the opportunity of a lifetime. There is a design.

God love you.

God creates homosexuality, but I don't think you believe that he is capable of creating sin.

[Sundiata]

Homosexual acts aren't wrong on the basis of them directly hurting people in a directly observable sense. In fact, someone who engages or has engaged in homosexual acts is still loved by God as much as someone who doesn't.

Homosexual acts aren't anymore sinful than masturbation or heterosexual intercourse outside of marriage. Deeds are sinful because they violate natural law (theological sense), which in turn is an affront to divine law. I know it's a tough teaching, I know it's not easy to adhere to. Regardless, you are loved and have the opportunity of a lifetime. There is a design.

God love you.

What a load of rubbish.

Sex, of any kind, is not inherently sinful.

Sex is not inherently sinful, it's a beautiful thing to be enjoyed within the loving order of the sacraments.

Celibacy is also a beautiful alternative, especially when one pursues holy orders and the priesthood. On the female side, religious sisters and nuns have been some of the most beautiful women I've ever encountered. Their Marian countenance is graceful enough to bring you to tears.

[San Lumen]

How does anyone push LGBT marriage on anyone? Is anyone being FORCED to have a same-sex marriage?

They're being forced to participate in them.

You have any evidence of that absurd claim?

[Jedi Council]

There is nothing sinful about consensual relations between people of the same sex. If same sex relations are sinful why does it exist in nature?

Killing exists in nature, and rapes, and thefts... Do you believe these actions are morally acceptable?

No because killing, raping, and thieving are all objectively harmful to others.

Homosexual sex/relationships are not. The primary argument against them is that they condemn the participants to hell, or damnation, or whatever, and thus need to be either curtailed or halted, not that they are harmful to others or society as a whole.

[New haven america]

What a load of rubbish.

Sex, of any kind, is not inherently sinful.

Sex is not inherently sinful, it's a beautiful thing to be enjoyed within the loving order of the sacraments.

Celibacy is also a beautiful alternative, especially when one pursues holy orders and the priesthood. On the female side, religious sisters and nuns have been some of the most beautiful women I've ever encountered. Their Marian countenance is graceful enough to bring you to tears.

You cry over virginal women in their 70's?

... Whatever floats your boat I guess.

[Telconi]

They're being forced to participate in them.

You have any evidence of that absurd claim?

Sure do!

[Telconi]

Killing exists in nature, and rapes, and thefts... Do you believe these actions are morally acceptable?

No because killing, raping, and thieving are all objectively harmful to others.

Homosexual sex/relationships are not. The primary argument against them is that they condemn the participants to hell, or damnation, or whatever, and thus need to be either curtailed or halted, not that they are harmful to others or society as a whole.

So the existence of something in nature doesn't indicate it's morally acceptable? I'm glad you agree.

[Sundiata]

Homosexual acts aren't wrong on the basis of them directly hurting people in a directly observable sense. In fact, someone who engages or has engaged in homosexual acts is still loved by God as much as someone who doesn't.

Homosexual acts aren't anymore sinful than masturbation or heterosexual intercourse outside of marriage. Deeds are sinful because they violate natural law (theological sense), which in turn is an affront to divine law. I know it's a tough teaching, I know it's not easy to adhere to. Regardless, you are loved and have the opportunity of a lifetime. There is a design.

God love you.

God creates homosexuality, but I don't think you believe that he is capable of creating sin.

Homosexuality is not sinful. In fact, sexuality in general is not sinful. It's sexual acts contrary to or outside of the sacrament of matrimony that are sinful.

This is why I oppose same-sex marriage.

[Sundiata]

No because killing, raping, and thieving are all objectively harmful to others.

Homosexual sex/relationships are not. The primary argument against them is that they condemn the participants to hell, or damnation, or whatever, and thus need to be either curtailed or halted, not that they are harmful to others or society as a whole.

So the existence of something in nature doesn't indicate it's morally acceptable? I'm glad you agree.

Yes.

[Sundiata]

Sex is not inherently sinful, it's a beautiful thing to be enjoyed within the loving order of the sacraments.

Celibacy is also a beautiful alternative, especially when one pursues holy orders and the priesthood. On the female side, religious sisters and nuns have been some of the most beautiful women I've ever encountered. Their Marian countenance is graceful enough to bring you to tears.

You cry over virginal women in their 70's?

... Whatever floats your boat I guess.

Not every religious sister is an older woman, those who do fit that description nonetheless are still very beautiful. Any woman who resembles Our Lady is a tear-inducing sight.