Opinion On Same-Sex Marriage

[Sundiata]

The integration of the two inevitably means one will subvert the other.

Exactly. Then the church just becomes a corrupted political tool, or just becomes the de facto government (thus becoming a corrupt political entity.

Also this:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/ar ... et/305774/

The more outwardly pious a system is, often the more hypocritical it is. If you feel the need to force your religion on everyone and make it an outward show, it is usually because of a lack of confidence.

It's a balance, it's wrong to condemn homosexuals for their sexual feelings.

[Jedi Council]

Exactly. Then the church just becomes a corrupted political tool, or just becomes the de facto government (thus becoming a corrupt political entity.

Also this:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/ar ... et/305774/

The more outwardly pious a system is, often the more hypocritical it is. If you feel the need to force your religion on everyone and make it an outward show, it is usually because of a lack of confidence.

It's a balance, it's wrong to condemn homosexuals for their sexual feelings.

Just for acting on them. Which is a ludicrous position, given that the act is not impacting anyone but two consenting adults.

Saying this is, essentially, like someone telling you that yes you can be Catholic, but not participate in anything that defines one as Catholic, like the Sacraments.

I'm sure you would find that argument nonsensical and oppressive.

[Telconi]

It's a balance, it's wrong to condemn homosexuals for their sexual feelings.

Just for acting on them. Which is a ludicrous position, given that the act is not impacting anyone but two consenting adults.

Saying this is, essentially, like someone telling you that yes you can be Catholic, but not participate in anything that defines one as Catholic, like the Sacraments.

I'm sure you would find that argument nonsensical and oppressive.

I mean, given that people on the opposite side actually do this, I'm not too worried about it.

[Jedi Council]

Just for acting on them. Which is a ludicrous position, given that the act is not impacting anyone but two consenting adults.

Saying this is, essentially, like someone telling you that yes you can be Catholic, but not participate in anything that defines one as Catholic, like the Sacraments.

I'm sure you would find that argument nonsensical and oppressive.

I mean, given that people on the opposite side actually do this, I'm not too worried about it.

Those people would be just as wrong as Sun and the Church is about homosexuality.

[Valentine Z]

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[Telconi]

I mean, given that people on the opposite side actually do this, I'm not too worried about it.

Those people would be just as wrong as Sun and the Church is about homosexuality.

Rather you think they're wrong or not, their actions do take place.

[Jedi Council]

Those people would be just as wrong as Sun and the Church is about homosexuality.

Rather you think they're wrong or not, their actions do take place.

Well I have yet to see anyone do it on this thread but again, I dont see your point. If they are doing it, it's wrong, just as wrong as Sun. Neither side being wrong entitles the other to also be wrong.

[Telconi]

Rather you think they're wrong or not, their actions do take place.

Well I have yet to see anyone do it on this thread but again, I dont see your point. If they are doing it, it's wrong, just as wrong as Sun. Neither side being wrong entitles the other to also be wrong.

Sure it does, I believe the operative phrase in that instance is "turnabout's fair play".

[-SARS-]

Same-Sex Marriage where 2 people from same gender can legally marry is a thing in the world, according to Wikipedia only 29 out of 195 countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage,
My opinion on it, is that its wrong that it shouldnt be legal in the world and be practiced. In religious views, God made a man and a woman, only they can be in a relationship together. This same-sex marriage defines, the original purpose of the man and woman, where's the child going to be? no where, due to same-sex marriage, the idea of you can love whoever you want is fundamentally wrong, cause God made a man and a woman for a reason with both their own purposes.

Im interested in hearing everyone's opinion on this topic.

In the beginning life reproduced asexually. What is this nonsense about a man and a woman?

[Valentine Z]

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[Cekoviu]

It's a balance, it's wrong to condemn homosexuals for their sexual feelings.

Just for acting on them. Which is a ludicrous position, given that the act is not impacting anyone but two consenting adults.

Saying this is, essentially, like someone telling you that yes you can be Catholic, but not participate in anything that defines one as Catholic, like the Sacraments.

I'm sure you would find that argument nonsensical and oppressive.

tWo CoNsEnTiNg AdUlTs is not a good argument for something inherently being okay to do.

[New haven america]

Just for acting on them. Which is a ludicrous position, given that the act is not impacting anyone but two consenting adults.

Saying this is, essentially, like someone telling you that yes you can be Catholic, but not participate in anything that defines one as Catholic, like the Sacraments.

I'm sure you would find that argument nonsensical and oppressive.

tWo CoNsEnTiNg AdUlTs is not a good argument for something inherently being okay to do.

Sure it is.

[Kiu Ghesik]

tWo CoNsEnTiNg AdUlTs is not a good argument for something inherently being okay to do.

Sure it is.

I am a homicidal crazy man with a pistol. I find a homeless man so fed up with his situation he wants nothing but death. We both consent to me killing him.

In this case, I think that the "two consenting adults" argument might fall apart a little bit.

[Jedi Council]

Just for acting on them. Which is a ludicrous position, given that the act is not impacting anyone but two consenting adults.

Saying this is, essentially, like someone telling you that yes you can be Catholic, but not participate in anything that defines one as Catholic, like the Sacraments.

I'm sure you would find that argument nonsensical and oppressive.

tWo CoNsEnTiNg AdUlTs is not a good argument for something inherently being okay to do.

The only people affected by homosexual sex is the people who are participating. If those people are two consenting adults, that seems to me good enough reason to mind ones own business

[New haven america]

Sure it is.

I am a homicidal crazy man with a pistol. I find a homeless man so fed up with his situation he wants nothing but death. We both consent to me killing him.

In this case, I think that the "two consenting adults" argument might fall apart a little bit.

If someone consents to being murdered I see no problem with their decision.

[Katganistan]

I didn't say it was logical.

And gay people can, in fact, have children, so.....

Yes they can have children. But if you make it harder for them to have children, they are less likely to have them.
Blocking them from legal marriage recognition does not make them more likely to have children.

No, and letting them be married does not mean fewer hetero couples have kids either.

[Telconi]

tWo CoNsEnTiNg AdUlTs is not a good argument for something inherently being okay to do.

The only people affected by homosexual sex is the people who are participating. If those people are two consenting adults, that seems to me good enough reason to mind ones own business

We're not discussing homosexual sex though, we're talking about homosexual marriage.

[Katganistan]

You could talk about that. I would prefer you not talk about "Oh, hey, the Jews are heretics!" "Are not!" "Am, too!" Come on, you know what I mean.

But no one was doing that.

People were discussing pushing religious/political beliefs on others, true, but that was still mainly talking about pushing the legalization of LGBT marriage onto others or what power the church (The main historical force against LGBT marriage in the West for the past 2000 years) should have when in topics such as this.

How does anyone push LGBT marriage on anyone? Is anyone being FORCED to have a same-sex marriage?

[New haven america]

But no one was doing that.

People were discussing pushing religious/political beliefs on others, true, but that was still mainly talking about pushing the legalization of LGBT marriage onto others or what power the church (The main historical force against LGBT marriage in the West for the past 2000 years) should have when in topics such as this.

How does anyone push LGBT marriage on anyone? Is anyone being FORCED to have a same-sex marriage?

"LGBT marriage is bad and against God's wishes!"

"LGBT marriage should be legal."

"Stop pushing your political views on me!"

[Telconi]

But no one was doing that.

People were discussing pushing religious/political beliefs on others, true, but that was still mainly talking about pushing the legalization of LGBT marriage onto others or what power the church (The main historical force against LGBT marriage in the West for the past 2000 years) should have when in topics such as this.

How does anyone push LGBT marriage on anyone? Is anyone being FORCED to have a same-sex marriage?

They're being forced to participate in them.

[Cekoviu]

tWo CoNsEnTiNg AdUlTs is not a good argument for something inherently being okay to do.

Sure it is.

relationships don't happen in a vacuum. gay marriage is ok not just because it's between two consenting adults, but because its effects on wider society aren't negative, and that has to be acknowledged as well. things like bdsm and pornography might be between consenting individuals, but are still overall harmful.

[New haven america]

Sure it is.

relationships don't happen in a vacuum. 1. gay marriage is ok not just because it's between two consenting adults, but because its effects on wider society aren't negative, and that has to be acknowledged as well. 2. things like bdsm and pornography might be between consenting individuals, but are still overall harmful.

1. That's not why gay marriage is fine, but ok.
2. Not if they're done consentingly and ethically, no.

[Punished UMN]

relationships don't happen in a vacuum. 1. gay marriage is ok not just because it's between two consenting adults, but because its effects on wider society aren't negative, and that has to be acknowledged as well. 2. things like bdsm and pornography might be between consenting individuals, but are still overall harmful.

1. That's not why gay marriage is fine, but ok.
2. Not if they're done consentingly and ethically, no.

Ethically includes effects on social cohesion.

[The Black Forrest]

How does anyone push LGBT marriage on anyone? Is anyone being FORCED to have a same-sex marriage?

They're being forced to participate in them.

How?

[Telconi]

They're being forced to participate in them.

How?

By provisioning goods or services for the wedding.