Opinion On Same-Sex Marriage

[Telconi]

Doesn't everybody?

Provided another's peoples values are harmless, why feel the need to change them?

Gay marriage is harmless.

People push to outlaw harmless things all the time, and that's assuming that people share your opinion on the harmlessness.

[Katganistan]

Yes, I don't think gay marriage actively harms the religious life of anyone other than gay people, so there's little reason to actively force gay people out of the Church or outwardly criticize them, so a de facto recognition of partnerships should be allowed under the economy of salvation.

yeah, that seems like a completely reasonable position to take. simple via media: recognize same-gender legal marriages and don't limit their participation in christ's ministry or anything, but don't perform gay marriages.

That's as it should be.

[Neanderthaland]

And why do you feel the need to push your values onto others?

Doesn't everybody?

Look mate, I don't particularly agree with people who have foot fetishes. And personally find the whole business kind of gross.

But if that's what makes you happy, you do you.

[Novus America]

But banning gay marriage dies not create more children. Gay people are not more likely to have children because you ban them get married or especially having children.

I didn't say it was logical.

And gay people can, in fact, have children, so.....

Yes they can have children. But if you make it harder for them to have children, they are less likely to have them.
Blocking them from legal marriage recognition does not make them more likely to have children.

[Farnhamia]

*looms ominously* Hi. The topic is Same-Sex Marriage. Discussions on who is a heretic to whom are off-topic and might be construed as hijacking the thread. Feeling an overwhelming desire to talk about that? Take it outside.

[New haven america]

*looms ominously* Hi. The topic is Same-Sex Marriage. Discussions on who is a heretic to whom are off-topic and might be construed as hijacking the thread. Feeling an overwhelming desire to talk about that? Take it outside.

But isn't like, the only argument against Same Sex marriage in the Western World is that it's heretical?

[Kernen]

*looms ominously* Hi. The topic is Same-Sex Marriage. Discussions on who is a heretic to whom are off-topic and might be construed as hijacking the thread. Feeling an overwhelming desire to talk about that? Take it outside.

But isn't like, the only argument against Same Sex marriage in the Western World is that it's heretical?

Some people used that Nigerian scientist's rationale using magnets or something to disprove homosexuality back when this was at issue. Does that count?

[Ethel mermania]

But isn't like, the only argument against Same Sex marriage in the Western World is that it's heretical?

Some people used that Nigerian scientist's rationale using magnets or something to disprove homosexuality back when this was at issue. Does that count?

Did it work?

[Kernen]

Some people used that Nigerian scientist's rationale using magnets or something to disprove homosexuality back when this was at issue. Does that count?

Did it work?

You tell me.

[New haven america]

But isn't like, the only argument against Same Sex marriage in the Western World is that it's heretical?

Some people used that Nigerian scientist's rationale using magnets or something to disprove homosexuality back when this was at issue. Does that count?

Pretty sure he's a Muslim scientist, so no.

[Farnhamia]

*looms ominously* Hi. The topic is Same-Sex Marriage. Discussions on who is a heretic to whom are off-topic and might be construed as hijacking the thread. Feeling an overwhelming desire to talk about that? Take it outside.

But isn't like, the only argument against Same Sex marriage in the Western World is that it's heretical?

You could talk about that. I would prefer you not talk about "Oh, hey, the Jews are heretics!" "Are not!" "Am, too!" Come on, you know what I mean.

[Kernen]

Some people used that Nigerian scientist's rationale using magnets or something to disprove homosexuality back when this was at issue. Does that count?

Pretty sure he's a Muslim scientist, so no.

I'm not sure why that matters? I did say that people have used the argument in the debates here in the West, so if we are excluding Nigeria based on geography, it nonetheless ends up in the mix.

[New haven america]

Pretty sure he's a Muslim scientist, so no.

I'm not sure why that matters? I did say that people have used the argument in the debates here in the West, so if we are excluding Nigeria based on geography, it nonetheless ends up in the mix.

Because they're using the religious/heretical basis for it being wrong, only using (shitty) science to try to back up their argument so it seems more reasonable.

[Kernen]

I'm not sure why that matters? I did say that people have used the argument in the debates here in the West, so if we are excluding Nigeria based on geography, it nonetheless ends up in the mix.

Because they're using the religious/heretical basis for it being wrong, only using (shitty) science to try to back up their argument so it seems more reasonable.

Not really. They are making an appeal to nature, but that is not itself religious. You can absolutely make appeals to nature absent religious belief.

[New haven america]

But isn't like, the only argument against Same Sex marriage in the Western World is that it's heretical?

You could talk about that. I would prefer you not talk about "Oh, hey, the Jews are heretics!" "Are not!" "Am, too!" Come on, you know what I mean.

But no one was doing that.

People were discussing pushing religious/political beliefs on others, true, but that was still mainly talking about pushing the legalization of LGBT marriage onto others or what power the church (The main historical force against LGBT marriage in the West for the past 2000 years) should have when in topics such as this.

[New haven america]

Because they're using the religious/heretical basis for it being wrong, only using (shitty) science to try to back up their argument so it seems more reasonable.

Not really. They are making an appeal to nature, but that is not itself religious. You can absolutely make appeals to nature absent religious belief.

And that test wasn't absent of religious belief.

[Kernen]

You could talk about that. I would prefer you not talk about "Oh, hey, the Jews are heretics!" "Are not!" "Am, too!" Come on, you know what I mean.

But no one was doing that.

People were discussing pushing religious/political beliefs on others, true, but that was still mainly talking about pushing the legalization of LGBT marriage onto others or what power the church (The main historical force against LGBT marriage in the West for the past 2000 years) should have when in topics such as this.

That wasn't the question you posed, though.

But isn't like, the only argument against Same Sex marriage in the Western World is that it's heretical?

The argument circulated in the western world. It isn't based on heresy. You didn't narrow it to the thread.

[New haven america]

But no one was doing that.

People were discussing pushing religious/political beliefs on others, true, but that was still mainly talking about pushing the legalization of LGBT marriage onto others or what power the church (The main historical force against LGBT marriage in the West for the past 2000 years) should have when in topics such as this.

That wasn't the question you posed, though.

But isn't like, the only argument against Same Sex marriage in the Western World is that it's heretical?

The argument circulated in the western world. It isn't based on heresy. You didn't narrow it to the thread.

Now you're arguing semantics, because heresy does exist outside of the Western World and as such can still apply to those areas as well.

[Ethel mermania]

Did it work?

You tell me.

"A bar magnet is a horizontal magnet that has the North Pole and the South Pole and when you bring two bar magnets and you bring the North Pole together you find that the two North Poles will not attract. They will repel, that is, they will push away themselves showing that a man should not attract a man. If you bring two South Poles together you find that the two South Poles will not attract indicating that same sex marriage should not hold. A female should not attract a female as South Pole of a magnet does not attract the South Pole of a magnet. But, when you bring a North Pole of a magnet and a South Pole of a magnet they will attract because they are not the same, indicating that a man will attract a woman because of the way nature has made a female. "

Since his experiment was the attractive forces of magnetism, and it worked according to his hypothesis...

[Neutraligon]

You tell me.

"A bar magnet is a horizontal magnet that has the North Pole and the South Pole and when you bring two bar magnets and you bring the North Pole together you find that the two North Poles will not attract. They will repel, that is, they will push away themselves showing that a man should not attract a man. If you bring two South Poles together you find that the two South Poles will not attract indicating that same sex marriage should not hold. A female should not attract a female as South Pole of a magnet does not attract the South Pole of a magnet. But, when you bring a North Pole of a magnet and a South Pole of a magnet they will attract because they are not the same, indicating that a man will attract a woman because of the way nature has made a female. "

Since his experiment was the attractive forces of magnetism, and it worked according to his hypothesis...

now if only they could explain what electromagnetic force has to do with human sexuality.

[Kernen]

That wasn't the question you posed, though.



The argument circulated in the western world. It isn't based on heresy. You didn't narrow it to the thread.

Now you're arguing semantics, because heresy does exist outside of the Western World and as such can still apply to those areas as well.

Of course its semantics. Heresy implies religious belief, so applying it to a nonreligious argument is using the word wrong. You can't possibly not argue semantics when one party is using the word wrong.

You tell me.

"A bar magnet is a horizontal magnet that has the North Pole and the South Pole and when you bring two bar magnets and you bring the North Pole together you find that the two North Poles will not attract. They will repel, that is, they will push away themselves showing that a man should not attract a man. If you bring two South Poles together you find that the two South Poles will not attract indicating that same sex marriage should not hold. A female should not attract a female as South Pole of a magnet does not attract the South Pole of a magnet. But, when you bring a North Pole of a magnet and a South Pole of a magnet they will attract because they are not the same, indicating that a man will attract a woman because of the way nature has made a female. "

Since his experiment was the attractive forces of magnetism, and it worked according to his hypothesis...

I figured it fell under the umbrella of "not even wrong."

[Ethel mermania]

But isn't like, the only argument against Same Sex marriage in the Western World is that it's heretical?

You could talk about that. I would prefer you not talk about "Oh, hey, the Jews are heretics!" "Are not!" "Am, too!" Come on, you know what I mean.

to be fair to him I started it, and the logic path was that the posters claim of religious superiority of Christianity, and the xtain morals, is to some based on a heretical religions view and therefore has no valid claim in a secular society.

I did try and bring it back away from there after a while.

[Farnhamia]

You could talk about that. I would prefer you not talk about "Oh, hey, the Jews are heretics!" "Are not!" "Am, too!" Come on, you know what I mean.

to be fair to him I started it, and the logic path was that the posters claim of religious superiority of Christianity, and the xtain morals, is to some based on a heretical religions view and therefore has no valid claim in a secular society.

I did try and bring it back away from there after a while.

I know. I spoke with Mrs. Mermania about it.

[Ethel mermania]

"A bar magnet is a horizontal magnet that has the North Pole and the South Pole and when you bring two bar magnets and you bring the North Pole together you find that the two North Poles will not attract. They will repel, that is, they will push away themselves showing that a man should not attract a man. If you bring two South Poles together you find that the two South Poles will not attract indicating that same sex marriage should not hold. A female should not attract a female as South Pole of a magnet does not attract the South Pole of a magnet. But, when you bring a North Pole of a magnet and a South Pole of a magnet they will attract because they are not the same, indicating that a man will attract a woman because of the way nature has made a female. "

Since his experiment was the attractive forces of magnetism, and it worked according to his hypothesis...

now if only they could explain what electromagnetic force has to do with human sexuality.

Admittedly, that is the tricky bit.

[Ethel mermania]

to be fair to him I started it, and the logic path was that the posters claim of religious superiority of Christianity, and the xtain morals, is to some based on a heretical religions view and therefore has no valid claim in a secular society.

I did try and bring it back away from there after a while.

I know. I spoke with Mrs. Mermania about it.

Thats why she called.... you think she could just walk up the stairs.