Conflict between Greece and Turkey?

[The Reformed American Republic]

I think we can all agree this is pretty much Greece’s fault.

I agree with you, but judging by the comments of a similar thread not long ago we are gonna see some people try to justify Greece abandoning people in the middle of the ocean

Because Turks are non-white?

[Novus America]

I think we can all agree this is pretty much Greece’s fault.

Except while what Greece did to migrants was wrong, it does not justify Turkey’s expansionists imperialist claims to Greeks territorial waters and EEZ.
And Turkey weaponizing migration in the first place by deliberately driving them into Greece.

Greece is hardly clean, but Turkey is the primary aggressor here.

[Bassoe]

Turkey needs to be roped back into NATO, they’re behaving badly lately

On the contrary, they need to be thrown all the way out and full NATO support put behind Greece and the Kurds as a counter to the Turks.

[Ebinland and Benistan]

I think we can all agree this is pretty much Greece’s fault.

Except while what Greece did to migrants was wrong, it does not justify Turkey’s expansionists imperialist claims to Greeks territorial waters and EEZ.
And Turkey weaponizing migration in the first place by deliberately driving them into Greece.

Greece is hardly clean, but Turkey is the primary aggressor here.

also who genocided who was id de durgs who genocided greegs and breddy much everyone else in dheir vicinidy (brodib: yes) or dhe odher way around?

[Saiwania]

I think we can all agree this is pretty much Greece’s fault.

That is where you'd be wrong. I'd side with Greece by default (if I had to choose) for reasons of my own. Sometimes the world is zero sum. What is good for one faction is bad for the other and vice versa. Of course I'm going to want one to win against the other. I perceive the outcome I want to be better, but objectively speaking there isn't any right or wrong, but what just is.

[Novus America]

In an interesting twist the UAE has sent F-16s to Crete. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co ... e-53906360

This is much more than just Turkey vs Greece, but also Turkey vs the UAE and Israel (Israel is building a pipeline to Greece through Cyprus, but Turkey claims that Greece and Cyprus get no EES cause reasons, plus Turkey’s support of the Muslim brotherhood, and the UAE opposes Turkey’s puppets in Tripoli).

So it is Turkey is getting into fights with pretty much everyone now, including France who has been unequivocally backing Greece.

Erdogan really has megalomania, but he is playing a high stakes game here.

[Fraconsice]

Eh? Will it affect me if it will then dont have conflect

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

I think we can all agree this is pretty much Greece’s fault.

Except while what Greece did to migrants was wrong, it does not justify Turkey’s expansionists imperialist claims to Greeks territorial waters and EEZ.
And Turkey weaponizing migration in the first place by deliberately driving them into Greece.

Greece is hardly clean, but Turkey is the primary aggressor here.

Picture of the offensive Turks on the island of Meis

you must be a little fair, turcophobia is racism

[Heloin]

Except while what Greece did to migrants was wrong, it does not justify Turkey’s expansionists imperialist claims to Greeks territorial waters and EEZ.
And Turkey weaponizing migration in the first place by deliberately driving them into Greece.

Greece is hardly clean, but Turkey is the primary aggressor here.

Picture of the offensive Turks on the island of Meis

you must be a little fair, turcophobia is racism

Greek soldiers on a Greek Island. But sure, cry racism because your upset that Turkey is infringing in Greece's EEZ without permission.

[Ebinland and Benistan]

Well, yeah, actually. Refugees and conquered peoples of all faiths and ethnicities generally just, became Turkified. Which is sad. Turkey could be so much more diverse.

Turkey could also just not exist, which would’ve been a more preferable outcome - but that’s got another topic I guess.

based and sbicy tage

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Picture of the offensive Turks on the island of Meis

you must be a little fair, turcophobia is racism

(Image)

Greek soldiers on a Greek Island. But sure, cry racism because your upset that Turkey is infringing in Greece's EEZ without permission.

Greece is committing a crime according to the treaty of Lozan and paris. we want justice, they try to scare the Turks with the soldiers. EOKA terrorist organization behaves in its ideology greek government, Turks have the right to trade !

[Novus America]

Except while what Greece did to migrants was wrong, it does not justify Turkey’s expansionists imperialist claims to Greeks territorial waters and EEZ.
And Turkey weaponizing migration in the first place by deliberately driving them into Greece.

Greece is hardly clean, but Turkey is the primary aggressor here.

Picture of the offensive Turks on the island of Meis

you must be a little fair, turcophobia is racism

Turkey under the Treaty of Lausanne and Convention between Italy and Turkey acknowledged it was transferred to Italy, who then transferred it to Greece under the Paris Peace Treaties of 1947

The Island also has a ethnic Greek population that does not want to be under Erdogan’s fist.

So what is wrong with Greek soldiers on a Greek island?

[Novus America]

Greek soldiers on a Greek Island. But sure, cry racism because your upset that Turkey is infringing in Greece's EEZ without permission.

Greece is committing a crime according to the treaty of Lozan and paris. we want justice, they try to scare the Turks with the soldiers. EOKA terrorist organization behaves in its ideology greek government, Turks have the right to trade !

Erm those treaties in combination explicitly gives the Island to Greece.
EOKA disbanded in 1959. EOKA-B disbanded in 1974.

So no. You are the one advocating imperialist warmongering here.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Picture of the offensive Turks on the island of Meis

you must be a little fair, turcophobia is racism

(Image)

Turkey under the Treaty of Lausanne and Convention between Italy and Turkey acknowledged it was transferred to Italy, who then transferred it to Greece under the Paris Peace Treaties of 1947

The Island also has a ethnic Greek population that does not want to be under Erdogan’s fist.

So what is wrong with Greek soldiers on a Greek island?

It is forbidden to have armed forces in the islands included in the Lausanne and Paris Peace Treaties

Greece is committing a crime according to the treaty of Lozan and paris. we want justice, they try to scare the Turks with the soldiers. EOKA terrorist organization behaves in its ideology greek government, Turks have the right to trade !

Erm those treaties in combination explicitly gives the Island to Greece.
EOKA disbanded in 1959. EOKA-B disbanded in 1974.

So no. You are the one advocating imperialist warmongering here.

I never want such a thing, there is no winner in war, arms dealers only win. Greece should not interfere in Turkey's internal affairs

[Heloin]

Greek soldiers on a Greek Island. But sure, cry racism because your upset that Turkey is infringing in Greece's EEZ without permission.

Greece is committing a crime according to the treaty of Lozan and paris. we want justice, they try to scare the Turks with the soldiers. EOKA terrorist organization behaves in its ideology greek government, Turks have the right to trade !

Those treaties give Kastellorizo to Greece and by extension those territorial waters to Greece. Unless Turkey comes to an agreement with Greece to do anything in Greece's EEC then Turkey is the party solely in the wrong here.

[Ebinland and Benistan]

Turkey under the Treaty of Lausanne and Convention between Italy and Turkey acknowledged it was transferred to Italy, who then transferred it to Greece under the Paris Peace Treaties of 1947

The Island also has a ethnic Greek population that does not want to be under Erdogan’s fist.

So what is wrong with Greek soldiers on a Greek island?

It is forbidden to have armed forces in the islands included in the Lausanne and Paris Peace Treaties

Erm those treaties in combination explicitly gives the Island to Greece.
EOKA disbanded in 1959. EOKA-B disbanded in 1974.

So no. You are the one advocating imperialist warmongering here.

I never want such a thing, there is no winner in war, arms dealers only win. Greece should not interfere in Turkey's internal affairs

ok bud whad aboud Syria and/or Rojava for Durgey's inderference (read: invasion) in Syrian derridory or does Durgey have exglusive brivileges for invading odher sovereign nations?

[Novus America]

Turkey under the Treaty of Lausanne and Convention between Italy and Turkey acknowledged it was transferred to Italy, who then transferred it to Greece under the Paris Peace Treaties of 1947

The Island also has a ethnic Greek population that does not want to be under Erdogan’s fist.

So what is wrong with Greek soldiers on a Greek island?

It is forbidden to have armed forces in the islands included in the Lausanne and Paris Peace Treaties

Erm those treaties in combination explicitly gives the Island to Greece.
EOKA disbanded in 1959. EOKA-B disbanded in 1974.

So no. You are the one advocating imperialist warmongering here.

I never want such a thing, there is no winner in war, arms dealers only win. Greece should not interfere in Turkey's internal affairs

No, the Montreux Convention of 1936 ended their demilitarized status. Anyways they are still Greek islands regardless, so it not Turkey’s internal affairs.

A dispute between Greece and Turkey is not internal, it is international.

And then why do you keep wanting to take territory away from Greece? That would start a war.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

It is forbidden to have armed forces in the islands included in the Lausanne and Paris Peace Treaties

I never want such a thing, there is no winner in war, arms dealers only win. Greece should not interfere in Turkey's internal affairs

No, the Montreux Convention of 1936 ended their demilitarized status. Anyways they are still Greek islands regardless, so it not Turkey’s internal affairs.

A dispute between Greece and Turkey is not internal, it is international.

And then why do you keep wanting to take territory away from Greece? That would start a war.

On this subject, you should read what I wrote well. If you continue to slander, I will not reply to you. Do you think you are different from Erdoğan ?
the Greek government should listen to the greek communists

[Novus America]

No, the Montreux Convention of 1936 ended their demilitarized status. Anyways they are still Greek islands regardless, so it not Turkey’s internal affairs.

A dispute between Greece and Turkey is not internal, it is international.

And then why do you keep wanting to take territory away from Greece? That would start a war.

On this subject, you should read what I wrote well. If you continue to slander, I will not reply to you. Do you think you are different from Erdoğan ?
the Greek government should listen to the greek communists

You have posted maps before showing Eastern Greece going to Turkey. So that is not slander. And then what are you proposing? What are you saying Turkey should do?

And what does the Istanbul canal have to do with Kastellorizo?

[Glorious Hong Kong]

Hakinda's Turkish nationalist saber-rattling is no different than Chinese irredentism, racism, ultranationalism, and imperialism. Turkey is the China of the Middle East. Also included is an old classic: foreign interference in [insert country]'s "internal affairs". I stand with Greece, Cyprus, the Kurds, Armenians, Israel, and Europe against neo-Ottoman intimidation.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

On this subject, you should read what I wrote well. If you continue to slander, I will not reply to you. Do you think you are different from Erdoğan ?
the Greek government should listen to the greek communists

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You have posted maps before showing Eastern Greece going to Turkey. So that is not slander. And then what are you proposing? What are you saying Turkey should do?

And what does the Istanbul canal have to do with Kastellorizo?

I did not mention such a thing about ''Conflict between Greece and Turkey'' this is a slander. first of all, the Greek and Turkish governments must agree on Cyprus for an independent united Cyprus but I know that this is not possible with Erdogan and Trump. A project created by America to ignore the Canal Istanbul Montreux Convention

[America lifts its arms embargo on south cyprus]
[Baby homeland]

Hakinda's Turkish nationalist saber-rattling is no different than Chinese irredentism, racism, ultranationalism, and imperialism. Turkey is the China of the Middle East. Also included is an old classic: foreign interference in [insert country]'s "internal affairs". I stand with Greece, Cyprus, the Kurds, Armenians, Israel, and Europe against neo-Ottoman intimidation.

I am on the side of Justice

[A Thousand Islands]

When I think Greece vs. Turkey, I always think about the fall of Byzantine Empire.

[Cordel One]

Hakinda's Turkish nationalist saber-rattling is no different than Chinese irredentism, racism, ultranationalism, and imperialism. Turkey is the China of the Middle East. Also included is an old classic: foreign interference in [insert country]'s "internal affairs". I stand with Greece, Cyprus, the Kurds, Armenians, Israel, and Europe against neo-Ottoman intimidation.

Turkey and Israel regularly commit war crimes (especially the latter), Greece is selfish and throws innocent people into the ocean to die, Europe is Europe, and Kurds and Armenians deserve much better.

[Novus America]

You have posted maps before showing Eastern Greece going to Turkey. So that is not slander. And then what are you proposing? What are you saying Turkey should do?

And what does the Istanbul canal have to do with Kastellorizo?

I did not mention such a thing about ''Conflict between Greece and Turkey'' this is a slander. first of all, the Greek and Turkish governments must agree on Cyprus for an independent united Cyprus but I know that this is not possible with Erdogan and Trump. A project created by America to ignore the Canal Istanbul Montreux Convention

[America lifts its arms embargo on south cyprus]
[Baby homeland]

Umm you showed maps with Greek territory going to Turkey. That would start a war with Greece.
How do you think Greece gets forced out of Chalkidiki?

And the North Cyprus dispute is an entirely separate matter than Kastellorizo.

Umm the Istanbul canal would not change the Montreux convention. Which would still apply to the Bosporus. And it would not undo the other provisions. Because the ability to station troops on your own territory is the default, ending the Montreux conventions would not restore the demilitarized areas it ended.

But anyways the Montreux convention remains in force. So your argument is pointless anyways. At the time that picture was taken, obviously the Montreux Convention existed as it still does.

[Kowani]

I think we can all agree this is pretty much Greece’s fault.

That is where you'd be wrong. I'd side with Greece by default (if I had to choose) for reasons of my own. Sometimes the world is zero sum. What is good for one faction is bad for the other and vice versa. Of course I'm going to want one to win against the other. I perceive the outcome I want to be better, but objectively speaking there isn't any right or wrong, but what just is.

Why doesn't any of this surprise me...