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The Quad Alliance: Asia’s NATO?

PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:48 pm
by Aureumterra
Quad alliance forms ‘arc of democracy’ around China
US, Japan, India and Australia are coming together in a strategic pact aimed at countering and containing authoritarian China

MANILA – China’s strategic opportunism in the South China Sea has not only alienated its smaller neighbors but is also turbocharging the formation of a so-called “Quad” anti-China alliance of like-minded Indo-Pacific powers.

Last week, the US conducted simultaneous naval drills in the Pacific and Indian Oceans with democratic allies and partners Australia, Japan and India. The four countries comprise the on-off “Quadrilateral” defense arrangement, a concept that envisions establishing an “Asian Arc of Democracy” around authoritarian China.

Last week’s drills followed directly on a major US policy statement on the South China Sea, where US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo declared China’s wide-reaching claims in the disputed maritime area “illegal” while implicitly backing those of Southeast Asian claimants.

Now, the US is actively courting India as a firmer pillar of the Quad. For the first time, India has been invited to attend a US-hosted G7 Summit, which historically has gathered Western and Japanese leaders. US President Donald Trump has announced his intent to host an expanded 11-member summit, also including Russia, South Korea and Australia, in a move to counter China.

Warming US-India strategic ties coincide with India’s recent skirmishes in the Himalayas with China, where a crude clash in June resulted in the killing of at least 20 Indian soliders. They have also come hand in hand with increasingly frequent and geographically expansive joint naval activities with treaty allies Japan and Australia across both the Indian and Pacific oceans.

For the first in over a decade, Australia is set to return to India’s annual Malabar naval exercises with the US and Japan in the latest sign of deepening military cooperation among China’s rivals.

Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, who has called for a “democratic security diamond” in the Indo-Pacific, is one of key architects of the new alliance of like-minded powers. Since the mid-2000s, Abe has actively pushed for greater strategic cooperation between India and the US-Japan-Australia trilateral alliance.

The proposed Quadrilateral, first proposed as a dialogue back in 2007, has met obstacles over the years. Intent on preserving stable ties and vital trade relations with China, India and Australia were until now often reluctant to participate in an ostensibly anti-China alliance.

Similarly, US administrations were more focused on combating terrorism in the Middle East and Afghanistan, while the Barack Obama administration was still mainly committed to an engagement strategy with China despite talk of a “pivot” of strategic resources to Asia.

But the rise of more conservative leaders in India, Australia and the US – coupled with deepening geopolitical tensions with China in recent months – has given the Quad new and potentially pivotal strategic life.

Unlike its more cautious predecessors, the Trump administration has fully embraced the Quad as a bulwark against China. And recent US rhetoric speaks to the idea of a new Cold War world split on democratic and authoritarian spheres, with the Quad in the former camp and China in the latter.

During a high-profile speech on July 24 at the US-India Business Council’s India Ideas Summit, Pompeo announced that the “Quad is revived” and that his country “desires a new age of ambition” in its blossoming partnership with India.

“We don’t just interact on a bilateral basis. We see each other for what we are: great democracies, global powers and really good friends. India is one of the few trusted, like-minded countries whose leaders I call on a regular basis for counsel and collaboration on issues that span continents,” Pompeo said during the online event.

“I’m confident that our relationship is only getting stronger. Let’s emerge from this current challenge more resilient and innovative than before. And let’s seize this moment to deepen cooperation between two of the world’s greatest democracies,” he added.

Seizing on growing anti-China sentiment in India following the deadly Himalyan clashes, Pompeo called for an alliance against and economic decoupling from Beijing.

“It’s important that democracies like ours work together, especially as we see more clearly than ever the true scope of the challenge posed by the Chinese Communist Party,” Pompeo said while commending India for banning 59 Chinese apps amid recent border skirmishes.

“Our infrastructure projects, our supply chains, our sovereignty, and our people’s health and safety are all at risk if we get it wrong,” he added, in line with the Trump administration’s encouragement of allies to reduce economic and technological dependence on China.

A day later, during a major speech on China, Pompeo effectively announced the end of half-a-century of strategic engagement with China.

In his most incendiary rhetoric against China yet, the US diplomat questioned the legitimacy of the Chinese Communist regime, which he said “almost always lie[s]. The biggest lie that they tell is to think that they speak for 1.4 billion people who are surveilled, oppressed and scared to speak out.”

“Beijing believes that the Quad is built to encircle and contain its rising global and maritime ambitions, with the US Navy as the fulcrum of cooperation in the emerging alliance. Beijing’s suspicions were reinforced last week when the US Indo-Pacific command oversaw simultaneous exercises in two oceans where China is likewise seeking to be a maritime power.

The USS Nimitz aircraft carrier, which was twice deployed this month to the South China Sea, was joined by the USS Ronald Reagan in conducting drills with the Indian Navy in the Indian Ocean.

“While operating together, the US and Indian naval forces conducted high-end exercises designed to maximize training and interoperability, including air defense,” Rear Admiral Jim Kirk, commander of the Nimitz Carrier Strike Group, said in a July 20 statement following the joint drills.

Significantly, the exercises took place around India’s Andaman and Nicobar Islands, which are located just off the northern reach of the Malacca Strait that separates the South China Sea and the Indian Ocean. As much as 80% of China’s energy imports travel through the narrow passageway.

Strategic analysts note the US could potentially move to block the strait in a conflict scenario, a hard strategic fact often referred to as China’s “Malacca dilemma.”

Beijing, including through its Belt and Road Initiative (BRI), has bid to diversify its energy import routes by investing in ports that could allow for more land-based shipments via Pakistan and Myanmar. Neither nation, however, has the infrastructure in place to substantially mitigate China’s Malacca risk.

Last week, the USS Ronald Reagan strike group also conducted joint drills with Japanese and Australian naval forces in the Philippines Sea in the Western Pacific.

Full Quad exercises are on the near-term horizion. After years of reluctance to irk China, India has invited Australia back to this year’s annual Malabar exercises for the first time since 2007. The joint exercises will be held in the Bay of Bengal.

Beijing had previously dissuaded then China-friendly administrations in Canberra against participation. Now, however, Australia has announced a major defense build-up in response to the perceived threat of China’s growing naval prowess and presence in the Western and South Pacific, traditionally its sphere of influence.

Over the weekend, Australia followed the US in declaring China’s South China Sea claims as “illegal.”


India, Japan, USA, and Australia have come together to form a military alliance against China. Indonesia’s current administration is reportedly considering joining this alliance as well. Previous anti-China alliances have been formed, but with the Trump administration’s anti-China policies, as well as the rise of conservative leaders in Japan, India, and Australia, have caused this alliance to become stronger than any of the previous attempts.

Do you think this could be Asia’s NATO, and will this finally curb the growing Chinese influence in the greater Asia-Pacific region?

I think this is a great initiative to curb Chinese influence in Asia, especially after China continues to claim the South China Sea as their territory. Only time will tell how long this will last, but I hope Indonesia joins in. I also hope that Vietnam and the Philippines consider joining sometime in the future, although the current Filipino government is fairly friendly towards China.

PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:51 pm
by Kowani
And the nuclear clock ticks one second closer.

PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:52 pm
by Kiu Ghesik
Aureumterra wrote:Quad alliance forms ‘arc of democracy’ around China
US, Japan, India and Australia are coming together in a strategic pact aimed at countering and containing authoritarian China

MANILA – China’s strategic opportunism in the South China Sea has not only alienated its smaller neighbors but is also turbocharging the formation of a so-called “Quad” anti-China alliance of like-minded Indo-Pacific powers.

Last week, the US conducted simultaneous naval drills in the Pacific and Indian Oceans with democratic allies and partners Australia, Japan and India. The four countries comprise the on-off “Quadrilateral” defense arrangement, a concept that envisions establishing an “Asian Arc of Democracy” around authoritarian China.

Last week’s drills followed directly on a major US policy statement on the South China Sea, where US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo declared China’s wide-reaching claims in the disputed maritime area “illegal” while implicitly backing those of Southeast Asian claimants.

Now, the US is actively courting India as a firmer pillar of the Quad. For the first time, India has been invited to attend a US-hosted G7 Summit, which historically has gathered Western and Japanese leaders. US President Donald Trump has announced his intent to host an expanded 11-member summit, also including Russia, South Korea and Australia, in a move to counter China.

Warming US-India strategic ties coincide with India’s recent skirmishes in the Himalayas with China, where a crude clash in June resulted in the killing of at least 20 Indian soliders. They have also come hand in hand with increasingly frequent and geographically expansive joint naval activities with treaty allies Japan and Australia across both the Indian and Pacific oceans.

For the first in over a decade, Australia is set to return to India’s annual Malabar naval exercises with the US and Japan in the latest sign of deepening military cooperation among China’s rivals.

Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, who has called for a “democratic security diamond” in the Indo-Pacific, is one of key architects of the new alliance of like-minded powers. Since the mid-2000s, Abe has actively pushed for greater strategic cooperation between India and the US-Japan-Australia trilateral alliance.

The proposed Quadrilateral, first proposed as a dialogue back in 2007, has met obstacles over the years. Intent on preserving stable ties and vital trade relations with China, India and Australia were until now often reluctant to participate in an ostensibly anti-China alliance.

Similarly, US administrations were more focused on combating terrorism in the Middle East and Afghanistan, while the Barack Obama administration was still mainly committed to an engagement strategy with China despite talk of a “pivot” of strategic resources to Asia.

But the rise of more conservative leaders in India, Australia and the US – coupled with deepening geopolitical tensions with China in recent months – has given the Quad new and potentially pivotal strategic life.

Unlike its more cautious predecessors, the Trump administration has fully embraced the Quad as a bulwark against China. And recent US rhetoric speaks to the idea of a new Cold War world split on democratic and authoritarian spheres, with the Quad in the former camp and China in the latter.

During a high-profile speech on July 24 at the US-India Business Council’s India Ideas Summit, Pompeo announced that the “Quad is revived” and that his country “desires a new age of ambition” in its blossoming partnership with India.

“We don’t just interact on a bilateral basis. We see each other for what we are: great democracies, global powers and really good friends. India is one of the few trusted, like-minded countries whose leaders I call on a regular basis for counsel and collaboration on issues that span continents,” Pompeo said during the online event.

“I’m confident that our relationship is only getting stronger. Let’s emerge from this current challenge more resilient and innovative than before. And let’s seize this moment to deepen cooperation between two of the world’s greatest democracies,” he added.

Seizing on growing anti-China sentiment in India following the deadly Himalyan clashes, Pompeo called for an alliance against and economic decoupling from Beijing.

“It’s important that democracies like ours work together, especially as we see more clearly than ever the true scope of the challenge posed by the Chinese Communist Party,” Pompeo said while commending India for banning 59 Chinese apps amid recent border skirmishes.

“Our infrastructure projects, our supply chains, our sovereignty, and our people’s health and safety are all at risk if we get it wrong,” he added, in line with the Trump administration’s encouragement of allies to reduce economic and technological dependence on China.

A day later, during a major speech on China, Pompeo effectively announced the end of half-a-century of strategic engagement with China.

In his most incendiary rhetoric against China yet, the US diplomat questioned the legitimacy of the Chinese Communist regime, which he said “almost always lie[s]. The biggest lie that they tell is to think that they speak for 1.4 billion people who are surveilled, oppressed and scared to speak out.”

“Beijing believes that the Quad is built to encircle and contain its rising global and maritime ambitions, with the US Navy as the fulcrum of cooperation in the emerging alliance. Beijing’s suspicions were reinforced last week when the US Indo-Pacific command oversaw simultaneous exercises in two oceans where China is likewise seeking to be a maritime power.

The USS Nimitz aircraft carrier, which was twice deployed this month to the South China Sea, was joined by the USS Ronald Reagan in conducting drills with the Indian Navy in the Indian Ocean.

“While operating together, the US and Indian naval forces conducted high-end exercises designed to maximize training and interoperability, including air defense,” Rear Admiral Jim Kirk, commander of the Nimitz Carrier Strike Group, said in a July 20 statement following the joint drills.

Significantly, the exercises took place around India’s Andaman and Nicobar Islands, which are located just off the northern reach of the Malacca Strait that separates the South China Sea and the Indian Ocean. As much as 80% of China’s energy imports travel through the narrow passageway.

Strategic analysts note the US could potentially move to block the strait in a conflict scenario, a hard strategic fact often referred to as China’s “Malacca dilemma.”

Beijing, including through its Belt and Road Initiative (BRI), has bid to diversify its energy import routes by investing in ports that could allow for more land-based shipments via Pakistan and Myanmar. Neither nation, however, has the infrastructure in place to substantially mitigate China’s Malacca risk.

Last week, the USS Ronald Reagan strike group also conducted joint drills with Japanese and Australian naval forces in the Philippines Sea in the Western Pacific.

Full Quad exercises are on the near-term horizion. After years of reluctance to irk China, India has invited Australia back to this year’s annual Malabar exercises for the first time since 2007. The joint exercises will be held in the Bay of Bengal.

Beijing had previously dissuaded then China-friendly administrations in Canberra against participation. Now, however, Australia has announced a major defense build-up in response to the perceived threat of China’s growing naval prowess and presence in the Western and South Pacific, traditionally its sphere of influence.

Over the weekend, Australia followed the US in declaring China’s South China Sea claims as “illegal.”


India, Japan, USA, and Australia have come together to form a military alliance against China. Indonesia’s current administration is reportedly considering joining this alliance as well. Previous anti-China alliances have been formed, but with the Trump administration’s anti-China policies, as well as the rise of conservative leaders in Japan, India, and Australia, have caused this alliance to become stronger than any of the previous attempts.

Do you think this could be Asia’s NATO, and will this finally curb the growing Chinese influence in the greater Asia-Pacific region?

I think this is a great initiative to curb Chinese influence in Asia, especially after China continues to claim the South China Sea as their territory. Only time will tell how long this will last, but I hope Indonesia joins in. I also hope that Vietnam and the Philippines consider joining sometime in the future, although the current Filipino government is fairly friendly towards China.

It's similar, it's a strategic alliance against an expansionist regional power. It probably won't curb China's expansionism as long as the international community tolerates it, but it'll hopefully secure the Asian signatory powers.

PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:52 pm
by Aureumterra
Kowani wrote:And the nuclear clock ticks one second closer.

This has been coming for a long time, the border clashes between India and China in June just accelerated it. I don’t think it will be as aggressive as NATO during the cold war though

PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:53 pm
by Aeritai
Well it looks like the second Cold War has started hopefully we can keep things "cold" during this time.

PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:53 pm
by Whitemore
Just when the world couldn't get any worse, now we're getting even closer to the end of the World because of stupid geopolitics during a Global Pandemic.

PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:54 pm
by The Hindustani State
The Chinese KILLED INDIAN SOLDIERS!

We need to do anything possible to stop their influence in Asia, because China is trying to make puppet states, they have already done that pretty much with Cambodia and Nepal, and are slowly doing that with Pakistan, Burma, and Ceylon

PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:55 pm
by The Hindustani State
Whitemore wrote:Just when the world couldn't get any worse, now we're getting even closer to the end of the World because of stupid geopolitics during a Global Pandemic.

It isn’t stupid the Chinese killed Indian soldiers, it is a big deal

PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:57 pm
by Nationalist Northumbria
The Hindustani State wrote:
Whitemore wrote:Just when the world couldn't get any worse, now we're getting even closer to the end of the World because of stupid geopolitics during a Global Pandemic.

It isn’t stupid the Chinese killed Indian soldiers, it is a big deal


The Hindustani State wrote:The Chinese KILLED INDIAN SOLDIERS!

We need to do anything possible to stop their influence in Asia, because China is trying to make puppet states, they have already done that pretty much with Cambodia and Nepal, and are slowly doing that with Pakistan, Burma, and Ceylon

And that's your problem, not anyone else's.

PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:57 pm
by Rusozak
These guys need better names for their alliances. "Quad Alliance" sounds like an ATV enthusiast club.

PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:58 pm
by Nationalist Northumbria
Whitemore wrote:Just when the world couldn't get any worse, now we're getting even closer to the end of the World because of stupid geopolitics during a Global Pandemic.


Aeritai wrote:Well it looks like the second Cold War has started hopefully we can keep things "cold" during this time.

lol, the Chinese don't have enough nukes for things to come anywhere close to "world-ending".

PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:59 pm
by Kowani
Aureumterra wrote:
Kowani wrote:And the nuclear clock ticks one second closer.

This has been coming for a long time, the border clashes between India and China in June just accelerated it. I don’t think it will be as aggressive as NATO during the cold war though

Let's hope not...

PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:00 pm
by Whitemore
The Hindustani State wrote:
Whitemore wrote:Just when the world couldn't get any worse, now we're getting even closer to the end of the World because of stupid geopolitics during a Global Pandemic.

It isn’t stupid the Chinese killed Indian soldiers, it is a big deal


I honestly don't care about those Indian Soldiers dying in the Mountains, both sides have been killing each others soldiers for decades in the disputed territories and it seems they won't learn a lesson from it.

PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:00 pm
by Atheris
*slaps asia*
"this bad boy can fit so much fucking democracy in it*

PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:00 pm
by Aureumterra
Nationalist Northumbria wrote:
The Hindustani State wrote:It isn’t stupid the Chinese killed Indian soldiers, it is a big deal


The Hindustani State wrote:The Chinese KILLED INDIAN SOLDIERS!

We need to do anything possible to stop their influence in Asia, because China is trying to make puppet states, they have already done that pretty much with Cambodia and Nepal, and are slowly doing that with Pakistan, Burma, and Ceylon

And that's your problem, not anyone else's.

No? It’s an attack on democracy…

Kowani wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:This has been coming for a long time, the border clashes between India and China in June just accelerated it. I don’t think it will be as aggressive as NATO during the cold war though

Let's hope not...

What I’m trying to say is that it isn’t some new thing and there’s no need to be hysterical and go "OH NO NUKES TIME"

PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:02 pm
by Kiu Ghesik
Atheris wrote:*slaps asia*
"this bad boy can fit so much fucking democracy in it*

*slaps cheap PLA tank*
"this bad boy can fit so much FREEDOM BRRT in it"

PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:02 pm
by Whitemore
Nationalist Northumbria wrote:
Whitemore wrote:Just when the world couldn't get any worse, now we're getting even closer to the end of the World because of stupid geopolitics during a Global Pandemic.


Aeritai wrote:Well it looks like the second Cold War has started hopefully we can keep things "cold" during this time.

lol, the Chinese don't have enough nukes for things to come anywhere close to "world-ending".


Yeah, as if we'd only have to worry about Chinese Nukes being launched in the event of a war actually happening *looks at the other nations either allied or against China who also have thousands of nukes.*

PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:04 pm
by Stellar Colonies
Looks like PATO is now a thing.

PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:04 pm
by Nationalist Northumbria
Aureumterra wrote:
Nationalist Northumbria wrote:

And that's your problem, not anyone else's.

No? It’s an attack on democracy…

No it isn't, it's a petty dispute between the two countries with more than a billion people.

PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:05 pm
by Aureumterra
Nationalist Northumbria wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:No? It’s an attack on democracy…

No it isn't, it's a petty dispute between the two countries with more than a billion people.

The quad alliance is an alliance of the United States, Japan, India, and Australia. Indonesia is reportedly considering joining, but there is no confirmation from them yet

PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:05 pm
by Whitemore
Nationalist Northumbria wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:No? It’s an attack on democracy…

No it isn't, it's a petty dispute between the two countries with more than a billion people.


This.

PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:06 pm
by Nationalist Northumbria
Aureumterra wrote:
Nationalist Northumbria wrote:No it isn't, it's a petty dispute between the two countries with more than a billion people.

The quad alliance is an alliance of the United States, Japan, India, and Australia. Indonesia is reportedly considering joining, but there is no confirmation from them yet

Okay? What about the "Quad Alliance" is an attack on democracy, then?

PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:07 pm
by Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana
Kowani wrote:And the nuclear clock ticks one second closer.

Why? As in, why do you think this particular alliance will bring the world closer to nuclear war?

PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:07 pm
by Kiu Ghesik
Stellar Colonies wrote:Looks like PATO is now a thing.

>PATO
>Pacific Atlantic Treaty Organization

bruh

PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:08 pm
by Stellar Colonies
Kiu Ghesik wrote:
Stellar Colonies wrote:Looks like PATO is now a thing.

>PATO
>Pacific Atlantic Treaty Organization

bruh

Pacific-Asian Treaty Organization