The Quad Alliance: Asia’s NATO?

[Aureumterra]

The quad alliance is an alliance of the United States, Japan, India, and Australia. Indonesia is reportedly considering joining, but there is no confirmation from them yet

Okay? What about the "Quad Alliance" is an attack on democracy, then?

Chinese troops killing Indian soldiers, and claiming large portions of the South China Sea is an attack on democracy, because China is clearly not a democracy. The Quad Alliance was created to counter that

And the nuclear clock ticks one second closer.

Why? As in, why do you think this particular alliance will bring the world closer to nuclear war?

In 2020, every news event needs to be met with hysteria from doomers

[Kiu Ghesik]

>PATO
>Pacific Atlantic Treaty Organization

bruh

Pacific-Asian Treaty Organization

Nice save

[Minskiev]

This is nice. Not really much to say.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

While I think Vietnam may seriously consider it, I highly doubt the Phillipines will go for it, considering Duterte is in China’s favor

[Atheris]

Looks like PATO is now a thing.

The Pacific Atlantic Treaty Organization?

[Stellar Colonies]

Pacific-Asian Treaty Organization

Nice save

That's what already I had in mind when I made that post

[Atheris]

Why? As in, why do you think this particular alliance will bring the world closer to nuclear war?

In 2020, every news event needs to be met with hysteria from doomers

Or cheering from Posadists.

[Stellar Colonies]

Looks like PATO is now a thing.

The Pacific Atlantic Treaty Organization?

>PATO
>Pacific Atlantic Treaty Organization

bruh

Pacific-Asian Treaty Organization

[Atheris]

The Pacific Atlantic Treaty Organization?

Pacific-Asian Treaty Organization

...Nice save.

[Middle Barael]

Okay? What about the "Quad Alliance" is an attack on democracy, then?

Chinese troops killing Indian soldiers, and claiming large portions of the South China Sea is an attack on democracy, because China is clearly not a democracy. The Quad Alliance was created to counter that

China is certainly not democratic, and this quad thing certainly represents democracy, but those specific examples have nothing to do with democracy. The Kashmir clashes are just to giant rivals fighting over some mountains, while the South China Sea is just some countries fighting over a resource-rich sea. China is not democratic, but those particular examples are irrelevant to democracy

[Minskiev]

Guys, it’s clearly the Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis Automobile Thistle Organ, you’re all nuts.

[Kiu Ghesik]

Chinese troops killing Indian soldiers, and claiming large portions of the South China Sea is an attack on democracy, because China is clearly not a democracy. The Quad Alliance was created to counter that

China is certainly not democratic, and this quad thing certainly represents democracy, but those specific examples have nothing to do with democracy. The Kashmir clashes are just to giant rivals fighting over some mountains, while the South China Sea is just some countries fighting over a resource-rich sea. China is not democratic, but those particular examples are irrelevant to democracy

It's more a case of China being expansionist fucks, Asian nations not wanting to be gobbled up or brought into the ChinaZone^TM, and America wanting to stick it to Winnie the Pooh and keep their influence in the region. A perfect storm for creating alliances of convenience, you might say.

[Stellar Colonies]

...Nice save.

Nice save

That's what already I had in mind when I made that post

Guys, it’s clearly the Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis Automobile Thistle Organ, you’re all nuts.

Or...
Perpetually Altering Term, O'course

[Lunas Legion]

They already tried an Asian NATO. It was called SEATO, and it failed fairly hard. Neither South Korea or Japan joined, both being happy enough with pre-existing defence arrangements with the US, and it never really accomplished much of anything.

This really is just SEATO 2. Granted, it has more to work with than SEATO or it's unmade proposed predecessors did with a more threatening China, but it'll need to bring in more nations before it's anything remotely near an Asian NATO. The entire point of NATO was to stop Soviet encroachment onto the smaller, more vulnerable nations; unless this alliance starts incorporating Vietnam, Malaysia, Thailand etc, it's just a mild expansion of pre-existing US-Japan and US-Australia arrangements to include India, which will push Pakistan more firmly into the Chinese camp.

[Major-Tom]

Stupid name, intriguing concept. We'll see where it goes, I personally would be amicable to the idea of having a defensive pact-lite sort of alliance for the purpose of opposing China. Would be interesting to see what other nations else would be interested.

Or, this could just fizzle out.

[Glorious Hong Kong]

This is what happens when you antagonize Indian forces along the Himalayan border and sanction Australia for calling for an investigation into the origins of the CCP virus*. You turn previously neutral countries against you. The pieces are finally beginning to fall into place. Indonesia's our next-door neighbor. This is great news if true.

First, we liberate the North Borneo Sea. Next, we liberate Hong Kong. Communism must be defeated. Whatever it takes.

*Not spreading corona conspiracy crap. Many people call it this.

[Liriena]

Interesting bit of geopolitical strategy, but that sort of military alliance isn't really going to do all that much to curb China's expansion, I think. China already saw Japan, India and the US as rivals, and the Australian government has... uh... economic incentives not to antagonize the Chinese government all that much. The Belt and Road Initiative, in my opinion, is gonna leave India isolated, surrounded by nations whose governments have every reason to collaborate with Beijing, and on a larger scale it's going to give Beijing a lot of new convenient friends in the international community who, if pressed to choose between them and the American-led military alliance in a Cold War, will have good cause to back China up.

[Liriena]

*Not spreading corona conspiracy crap. Many people call it this.

And those people are doing propaganda with a pandemic in doing so. It's shameful that you'd follow their lead at a time when precise and accurate information matters.

It's called COVID-19.

[Drew Durrnil]

This is what happens when you antagonize Indian forces along the Himalayan border and sanction Australia for calling for an investigation into the origins of the CCP virus*. You turn previously neutral countries against you. The pieces are finally beginning to fall into place. Indonesia's our next-door neighbor. This is great news if true.

First, we liberate the North Borneo Sea. Next, we liberate Hong Kong. Communism must be defeated. Whatever it takes.

*Not spreading corona conspiracy crap. Many people call it this.

It seems a bit anti-China to me...

[Kiu Ghesik]

This is what happens when you antagonize Indian forces along the Himalayan border and sanction Australia for calling for an investigation into the origins of the CCP virus*. You turn previously neutral countries against you. The pieces are finally beginning to fall into place. Indonesia's our next-door neighbor. This is great news if true.

First, we liberate the North Borneo Sea. Next, we liberate Hong Kong. Communism must be defeated. Whatever it takes.

*Not spreading corona conspiracy crap. Many people call it this.

It seems a bit anti-China to me...

I think GHK's from Hong Kong. In which circumstance he has a right to be livid at the CCP.

[The North America Union]

It's an interesting concept...In and out of the works since the early 2000s. The reason the original SEATO failed was due to internal disagreements that often prevented SEATO from successfully working together, one of the only things binding them was separate bilateral ties with the U.S. The lack of a common front line border (which NATO possessed, unlike SEATO) certainly didn't help either. If the so-called 'Quad Alliance' manages to solve these problems, and work together more closely by focusing on cooperation and containment of China, it could be very successful. Future enlargement could also be interesting, however enlargement would have to primarily focus on cooperation and shared values over a 'general hate' for China. It seems the Quad could serve as a less U.S. centered alliance (unlike SEATO), and a more quadrilateral focus (similar to NATO), while the U.S. maintains and expands its security agreements with Southeast Asian nations separately.

We will have to wait and see how this all plays out.

[Glorious Hong Kong]

*Not spreading corona conspiracy crap. Many people call it this.

And those people are doing propaganda with a pandemic in doing so. It's shameful that you'd follow their lead at a time when precise and accurate information matters.

It's called COVID-19.

I WILL NOT CALL IT COVID-19. I will not be just another tool in the CCP's propaganda machine. Falun Gong's media outlets are often the first to break the news of any developments coming out of China, rivaled only by Apple Daily and Taiwan News. Falun Gong may not be perfect, but they too are victims of the CCP's repression far more than I am. Therefore, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. What's shameful is that you refuse to acknowledge this reality and simply dismiss Joshua Philipp as some kind of quack simply because of who he works for.

The CCP was responsible for failing to contain the Wuhan coronavirus when it had the chance and blames everyone but itself for the pandemic.

It's called the CCP virus. The CCP itself is a political virus and a stain on the conscience of humanity.

This is what happens when you antagonize Indian forces along the Himalayan border and sanction Australia for calling for an investigation into the origins of the CCP virus*. You turn previously neutral countries against you. The pieces are finally beginning to fall into place. Indonesia's our next-door neighbor. This is great news if true.

First, we liberate the North Borneo Sea. Next, we liberate Hong Kong. Communism must be defeated. Whatever it takes.

*Not spreading corona conspiracy crap. Many people call it this.

It seems a bit anti-China to me...

Anti-CCP to be exact.

It seems a bit anti-China to me...

I think GHK's from Hong Kong. In which circumstance he has a right to be livid at the CCP.

I'm originally from HK, but I don't live there anymore and thankfully, the absence of birthright citizenship in HK means I'm not a citizen of HK or the PRC. I'm one of the lucky ones. Everyone has a right to be livid at the CCP for a rapidly growing number of reasons, not just Hong Kongers and anyone of Chinese descent.

[Liriena]

And those people are doing propaganda with a pandemic in doing so. It's shameful that you'd follow their lead at a time when precise and accurate information matters.

It's called COVID-19.

I WILL NOT CALL IT COVID-19. I will not be just another tool in the CCP's propaganda machine.

COVID-19 is its technical name. It has nothing to do with "the CCP's propaganda machine", unless you've now allowed yourself to be manipulated into believing that virology is a communist science.

[Bear Stearns]

Let's find a obnoxiously clannish ethnic group in Asia, give them an ethnostate of their own on hotly-contested land, and revolve our entire foreign policy around them.

[Glorious Hong Kong]

I WILL NOT CALL IT COVID-19. I will not be just another tool in the CCP's propaganda machine.

COVID-19 is its technical name. It has nothing to do with "the CCP's propaganda machine", unless you've now allowed yourself to be manipulated into believing that virology is a communist science.

I don't care how technical it is and I'm not dismissing the science.

Let's find a obnoxiously clannish ethnic group in Asia, give them an ethnostate of their own on hotly-contested land, and revolve our entire foreign policy around them.

Sounds like a brilliant idea. Let's start with Hong Kong.