UK Politics Thread XIII: The Brexit Ship Departs

[The Huskar Social Union]

Sounds like you are threatening the Dear Leader, you terrorist.

Huskar is currently standing outside number 10 holding a sign that says "Come and have a go if you think you're hard enough!".

I am channelling my inner spoon

[CoraSpia]

Sounds like you are threatening the Dear Leader, you terrorist.

Huskar is currently standing outside number 10 holding a sign that says "Come and have a go if you think you're hard enough!".

Well, with the travel restrictions in place, getting into a fight with a drunk Irishman (which is a London cultural tradition) is not an option. He's simply offering a cultural service to tourists.

[Celritannia]

Its because of refugees and immagration the Uk left the EU

Hahahahaha.

Wait, you're serious?

[Fartsniffage]

Huskar is currently standing outside number 10 holding a sign that says "Come and have a go if you think you're hard enough!".

I am channelling my inner spoon

I love that movie to the point that I even know where I was on the weekend it was set.

[Hurdergaryp]

Its because of refugees and immagration the Uk left the EU

Hahahahaha.

Wait, you're serious?

The child must have overslept, for NationStates Summer is pretty much over by now. Also he spelled "immigration" wrong.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Its because of refugees and immagration the Uk left the EU

Right only in the sense that our leaders (especially His Tonyness around the time of the accession of the Eastern European states) used "the EU" as their excuse for not limiting immigration. In reality we were perfectly entitled to limit the number of Poles, Romanians etc who came but our politicians lied to us. It's very convenient to take the GDP benefits while going "oh no, our hands our tied" whenever anyone talks about the employment, housing, and socio-cultural issues caused by a laissez-faire approach to these things.

Then Dave decided to try to make political capital out of people's frustration and completely failed to effectively challenge the opposing narrative, being as he was Blair 2.0 with all the vapid lack of substance that comes with that.

The public narrative on Brexit is crayon-smear childish because the government has been deliberately infantilising the electorate for decades. We're sitting around noisily shaking our rattles and screaming when the only sound should be the rhythmic thump of guillotines outside the House of Commons.

Just in case someone wants to report that, let me clarify that the guillotines might be cutting delicious cake to serve to our current and former MPs. Maybe that serving will be forcible and maybe the cake might contain poison. Who knows? It's an unpredictable world out there

[The Huskar Social Union]

I am channelling my inner spoon

I love that movie to the point that I even know where I was on the weekend it was set.

Its such a good movie, i love it.

[The Blaatschapen]

No government wants to lose votes by being the ones who ruined Christmas. It's not about religion, or discrimination, it is about votes, the retail economy, and public morale.

True, Cromwell had a tough time at his reelection.

[Kowani]

No government wants to lose votes by being the ones who ruined Christmas. It's not about religion, or discrimination, it is about votes, the retail economy, and public morale.

True, Cromwell had a tough time at his reelection.

I say he should've held an early Easter.

[CoraSpia]

So I'll probably be around come the next election on ns.

Can someone else who'll be online please do me a favour and remind me of this so there's no chance I'll forget not to vote against Boris?

[The Nihilistic view]

No

[Fartsniffage]

Its because of refugees and immagration the Uk left the EU

Right only in the sense that our leaders (especially His Tonyness around the time of the accession of the Eastern European states) used "the EU" as their excuse for not limiting immigration. In reality we were perfectly entitled to limit the number of Poles, Romanians etc who came but our politicians lied to us. It's very convenient to take the GDP benefits while going "oh no, our hands our tied" whenever anyone talks about the employment, housing, and socio-cultural issues caused by a laissez-faire approach to these things.

Then Dave decided to try to make political capital out of people's frustration and completely failed to effectively challenge the opposing narrative, being as he was Blair 2.0 with all the vapid lack of substance that comes with that.

The public narrative on Brexit is crayon-smear childish because the government has been deliberately infantilising the electorate for decades. We're sitting around noisily shaking our rattles and screaming when the only sound should be the rhythmic thump of guillotines outside the House of Commons.

Just in case someone wants to report that, let me clarify that the guillotines might be cutting delicious cake to serve to our current and former MPs. Maybe that serving will be forcible and maybe the cake might contain poison. Who knows? It's an unpredictable world out there

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unkWbEmtYXs

[Ostroeuropa]

Starmer and his crew pushing patriotism and arguing we need to put British interests first has set off the twitter mob.

The Labour reddits and forums are divided between people arguing this is pandering to the far-right and whining about colonialism/imperialism, saying britain is unlikable and we should be ashamed of it, saying patriotism is irrational and stupid (but their anti-patriotism somehow isn't), and people agreeing with Starmer and arguing that the former group needs to just cope and that they're absolutely toxic, the reason we keep losing and so on, as well as advancing arguments for patriotism etc.

It's a positive shift provided Starmer keeps at it. A good step in the right direction on sociocultural issues, my estimation of him has risen considerably.

[CoraSpia]

Starmer and his crew pushing patriotism and arguing we need to put British interests first has set off the twitter mob.

The Labour reddits and forums are divided between people arguing this is pandering to the far-right and whining about colonialism/imperialism, saying britain is unlikable and we should be ashamed of it, saying patriotism is irrational and stupid (but their anti-patriotism somehow isn't), and people agreeing with Starmer and arguing that the former group needs to just cope and that they're absolutely toxic, the reason we keep losing and so on, as well as advancing arguments for patriotism etc.

It's a positive shift provided Starmer keeps at it. A good step in the right direction on sociocultural issues, my estimation of him has risen considerably.

Labour (mainly momentum) activists are about as far from the political normal as you'll ever see though. I've yet to understand the workings of their ideology, I'm not sure how someone can have so much hate for themselves yet think they should be trusted to impart their questionable wisdom onto others. Luckily the mps are slightly better than that lot.

[CoraSpia]

Today, the BBC followed up a show in which famous people attempt to lie convincingly and force others to work out the fact from the fiction with the latest episode of would I lie to you.

[Salandriagado]

So question. Given all this opposition to fines displayed here should all fines for any crime be replaced with custodial sentences for fairness?

No, fines should just be scaled to wealth/income.

[Salandriagado]

Scotland is banning people from different households meeting inside. The measure was already in place in Glasgow but will now be extended to the whole country.

There are only a few exceptions, such as grandparents looking after kids, and noncohabiting couples.

Grandparents being an exception is so bloody stupid. They're the last people you want doing childcare. Hell, I've got a general offer out to provide childcare to anybody I know who would otherwise rely on grandparents.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

What would be an appropriate fine for Dominic Cummings if he breaks lockdown rules again?

[The New California Republic]

There are only a few exceptions, such as grandparents looking after kids, and noncohabiting couples.

Grandparents being an exception is so bloody stupid. They're the last people you want doing childcare. Hell, I've got a general offer out to provide childcare to anybody I know who would otherwise rely on grandparents.

...I'll mind not to forward your post to my mother, who regularly looks after my nephew, and a very good job she does of it too.

[Chan Island]

Starmer and his crew pushing patriotism and arguing we need to put British interests first has set off the twitter mob.

The Labour reddits and forums are divided between people arguing this is pandering to the far-right and whining about colonialism/imperialism, saying britain is unlikable and we should be ashamed of it, saying patriotism is irrational and stupid (but their anti-patriotism somehow isn't), and people agreeing with Starmer and arguing that the former group needs to just cope and that they're absolutely toxic, the reason we keep losing and so on, as well as advancing arguments for patriotism etc.

It's a positive shift provided Starmer keeps at it. A good step in the right direction on sociocultural issues, my estimation of him has risen considerably.

Of course, the real question will be in how he defines patriotism. The fiscal trustworthiness angle taken by Annalise Dodds pointing out how much money the Tories waste on dodgy companies was really good, and could be beautifully woven together with an argument that patriotism means you take care of the nation and it's people, supporting its interests instead of those of a narrow elite or angry niche. Watch this space.

[Salandriagado]

Grandparents being an exception is so bloody stupid. They're the last people you want doing childcare. Hell, I've got a general offer out to provide childcare to anybody I know who would otherwise rely on grandparents.

...I'll mind not to forward your post to my mother, who regularly looks after my nephew, and a very good job she does of it too.

It's nothing to do with how good a job they do: grandparents have a pretty hard lower bound on their age, and therefore on their Covid-19 risk. My risk is dramatically lower than that. Forcing that care to be done by older, more vulnerable people is just silly.

[Vassenor]

Starmer and his crew pushing patriotism and arguing we need to put British interests first has set off the twitter mob.

The Labour reddits and forums are divided between people arguing this is pandering to the far-right and whining about colonialism/imperialism, saying britain is unlikable and we should be ashamed of it, saying patriotism is irrational and stupid (but their anti-patriotism somehow isn't), and people agreeing with Starmer and arguing that the former group needs to just cope and that they're absolutely toxic, the reason we keep losing and so on, as well as advancing arguments for patriotism etc.

It's a positive shift provided Starmer keeps at it. A good step in the right direction on sociocultural issues, my estimation of him has risen considerably.

And what do you define as patriotism and what makes enforcing it so vital?

[CoraSpia]

Starmer and his crew pushing patriotism and arguing we need to put British interests first has set off the twitter mob.

The Labour reddits and forums are divided between people arguing this is pandering to the far-right and whining about colonialism/imperialism, saying britain is unlikable and we should be ashamed of it, saying patriotism is irrational and stupid (but their anti-patriotism somehow isn't), and people agreeing with Starmer and arguing that the former group needs to just cope and that they're absolutely toxic, the reason we keep losing and so on, as well as advancing arguments for patriotism etc.

It's a positive shift provided Starmer keeps at it. A good step in the right direction on sociocultural issues, my estimation of him has risen considerably.

And what do you define as patriotism and what makes enforcing it so vital?

Who mentioned enforcing patriotism?

[Vassenor]

And what do you define as patriotism and what makes enforcing it so vital?

Who mentioned enforcing patriotism?

Is this going to be another "didnt use the exact words" thing? Or perhaps you'd like to explain the difference between pushing and enforcing?

[CoraSpia]

Who mentioned enforcing patriotism?

Is this going to be another "didnt use the exact words" thing? Or perhaps you'd like to explain the difference between pushing and enforcing?

sure, with examples! These examples are all in that amazing alternate reality in which we all wish to live in, where I'm in charge.

I'm going to push smoking on people. I'm going to repeatedly tell everybody about all the wonderful benefits that smoking could bring to their lives, they'll probably think I'm nuts for doing it but hey they think I'm nuts anyway! I'm not going to force lit cigarettes into peoples hands and push it to their faces though, because that would be enforcing smoking and smoking is a decision you should make for yourself.

I'm going to push for the adoption of electric vehicles. I will make them more affordable and educate people on the benefits that electric vehicles have for the environment. I won't make it illegal to own a petrol car however, because freedom of choice is important and I wouldn't like to enforce that on people.

I'm going to push for a higher level of patriotism. I'm going to educate people on good things that Britain has done in the past, and regularly celebrate those things through our cultural institutions such as the BBC and national theatre. I am not going to insist that everybody in the country feels the same way about it however, because that would be enforcing false patriotism and people all have different opinions.